So long, and thanks for all the fish

[jma2]

2 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said:

 

mansr's contribution here is both well recognized and respected...

If I suggested anything else, than I apologize

I can only acknowledge your statement

[MikeyFresh]

34 minutes ago, JoeWhip said:

That being said, it is too bad mansr felt the need to leave.

Agreed, probably by all involved except for the little ASR cheering leading crew.

 

I for one hope that mansr finds the grass not greener, in which case I bet he is welcome back wholeheartedly.

[firedog]

1 hour ago, plissken said:

 

Because others aren't you.

 

Let's flip this on it's head:

 

What benefit does it serve to let patently B.S. statements keep circulating?

How have your efforts stopped them from circulating? The vast majority of the people writing what you regard as BS haven't changed their ideas or their approach at all. That's part of what you don't understand. The people  participating in the various impressions and comparisons threads that you see as BS, don't accept your position and aren't convinced by it. Their minds aren't changed. 

[firedog]

2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

So it begins.  The demands that Quint made for changes in forum decorum have been made.  The stage is set for MQA to make its triumphant return. 

I think this has nothing to do with Quint. You, for some reason are obsessed with him, and seem to think he has some imaginary powers. MQA? That's a total non-sequitur.

[firedog]

2 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

He's a smart guy so I'm sure he realizes it.

 

The reality is that folks like us are no longer welcome here.

I don't think that's true at all, but some of you are choosing to see it that way. 

[Blake]

39 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

Some folks went over the line and this should have been addressed at the individual level by banning those individuals, not by this clumsy attempt to label and divide discussions into categories. 

 

Hi @kumakuma.  I understand you don't like the direction things are going, however, I hope you will stay.

 

 @mansrprovided great technical insight in many threads and it is unfortunate he is gone.  My gut tells me he was likely on the fence about his participation on this site for quite some time before the new changes and it was not the creation of the new forum categories alone that caused him to leave.  To me the different audio fora are just social cliques at some level, and people end up drifting to the sites where they are most comfortable and I assume that is why he left.

 

 

[kumakuma]

9 minutes ago, firedog said:

I don't think that's true at all, but some of you are choosing to see it that way. 

 

Perhaps we're just acting like subjectivists for whom perception is reality...

[sandyk]

3 hours ago, mansr said:

Congratulations Alex, you finally got what you wanted.

 Mansr

No. If you had read my previous reply about this you would know that this is not what I want.

All I want is for both sides to work together for a common good as John Dyson, myself, and several others have been doing behind the scenes since March last year. Is that too much to ask for ???

 Is it too much to ask for a return to civility and respect of others opinions, like it used to be in more pleasant times here before we lost some prominent members who felt no alternative but to stop posting here ? Barry Diament and Audiophile Neuroscience are just 2 of those members.

Despite you calling for me to be banned on several occasions, I have never wished to see you banned from this or any other forum.

All that is needed here, as even Kumakuma recently suggested is the appointment of several moderators to ensure that threads aren't

deliberately disrupted when the person knows that this is not the intent of the OP, and that they remain civil.

There is no need for separate areas for Objective and Subjective if this is done. I am always willing to have my posts neutrally moderated, and respect the decision of the Moderator as I have always done in DIY Audio and Hi Fi Critic etc.

 

 My understanding is that we are unable to cancel our membership here, without Chris being involved.

I would hope that Chris refuses to do this, giving you time to reconsider your decision.

 

Alex

[plissken]

53 minutes ago, firedog said:

The vast majority of the people writing what you regard as BS haven't changed their ideas or their approach at all. That's part of what you don't understand. The people  participating in the various impressions and comparisons threads that you see as BS, don't accept your position and aren't convinced by it. Their minds aren't changed. 

 

I'm not here for them. I have a perfectly good threads that show how you can for little more than pocket change do 10GBe fiber, or how to setup multiple switches and control broadcast domains.

[plissken]

15 minutes ago, sandyk said:

is it too much to ask for a return to civility and respect of others opinions

 

Do I need to quote you were you are calling my test setup garbage?  The hypocrisy is alive and well.

[Jud]

I see we've found ways to argue about @mansr leaving. What say we all give it a rest and talk about audio for a while?

 

On another note, I've always loved Douglas Adams, so kudos for the thread title.

[k-man]

2 minutes ago, Jud said:

On another note, I've always loved Douglas Adams, so kudos for the thread title.

+42

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

What the  kcuf?😤

[Samuel T Cogley]

54 minutes ago, firedog said:

I think this has nothing to do with Quint. You, for some reason are obsessed with him, and seem to think he has some imaginary powers. MQA? That's a total non-sequitur.

 

Quint demanded that the forum be more "civil" to people of his station.  His request was more than granted.  Do you seriously doubt he will be here congratulating Chris for making the "right choice"?

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

I thought Chris picked "Style" only because it rhymed with Audiophile 😄

That absolutely had something to do with my branding decision. 

 

People read way too much into the name though. Apple doesn't sell fruits, Shell doesn't sell the exoskeleton of invertebrates, and Alphabet has nothing to do with literacy. 

[Iving]

11 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

Quint demanded that the forum be more "civil" to people of his station.  His request was more than granted.  Do you seriously doubt he will be here congratulating Chris for making the "right choice"?

 

I for one just cannot wait to meet anybody demanding civility *because of their station*.

 

edit: CC excepted, naturally

[fas42]

2 hours ago, Racerxnet said:

 

Every objectivist who may disagree seems to be the target. Calling out the subjective opinion and asking for solid science regarding the matter is not welcome. I get it. Kind of like a ostrich head in the sand. Don't look or say anything regarding subject. It may offend someone. I'll leave it be. 

 

MAK

 

Where the objectivists always, always, always miss the point is that with audio it's not about solid science - it's about solid engineering. If a system, in absolutely any field of human endeavour, is not well implemented then all sorts of "stupid things!" matter - one ends up using rubber bands around things, to get it to work better ... but people who supply those rubber bands in audio in myriad colours, and stretchiness disturb those who also want to bath in the contentment that they know everything that's important ... because they 'measure' it, 😉.

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

It's also about the journey as much as the destination. 

[jabbr]

1 hour ago, kumakuma said:

 

Perhaps we're just acting like subjectivists for whom perception is reality...

Perception is reality!

[beetlemania]

7 minutes ago, jabbr said:

Perception is reality!

Interesting take!

 

The "spiritual masters" and quantum physicists have told us that perception follows thought. To the degree that statement is true, it quite well explains the subjectivist/objectivist divide!

[gmgraves]

3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

How about going on the smoking forums and providing some information. I'm sure they've never heard it's bad for them and they'll be very receptive to the information. After all, they might actually die from it. 

 

Nah, instead people like to stop HiFi enthusiasts from having fun. Makes absolutely zero sense to me. 

While I see your point, and I certainly agree that there is no excuse for incivility toward anyone, opposing views are what makes ballgames, and controversy is part and parcel to an interesting forum. I for one hate to see members like Mansr and KumaKuma leave even though I have disagreed with both of them on occasion. I have also, on occasion learned from both of them. I say hail and farewell to them.

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

While I see your point, and I certainly agree that there is no excuse for incivility toward anyone, opposing views are what makes ballgames, and controversy is part and parcel to an interesting forum. I for one hate to see members like Mansr and KumaKuma leave even though I have disagreed with both of them on occasion. I have also, on occasion learned from both of them. I say hail and farewell to them.

 

Thanks for the kind words, George. I'm still here although probably one bad post away from being banned.

 

Mans and Bill left on their own. Ralf and Marce were banned. Others have been "encouraged" to leave.

[The Computer Audiophile]

I encourage all those who can’t be respectful and follow the rules to leave on their own accord. I think this is a more than reasonable approach from any business. 

[kennyb123]

I agree with those who say mansr had a lot to offer.  No doubt he's a very gifted guy.  Unfortunately all too often he used his gifts to put others down.  Good riddance.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, kennyb123 said:

I agree with those who say mansr had a lot to offer.  No doubt he's a very gifted guy.  Unfortunately all too often he used his gifts to put others down.  Good riddance.

It’s unfortunate that others are this way as well. It’s all or nothing, their way or the highway. That doesn’t work well in a global community.