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  1. Yes, point taken, and thanks for the suggestions, I shall give some of this a try when I have some free time. That said, I think Mark’s blind test is legitimate for giving a good idea of a red book versus hi res comparison, and who knows, maybe my results will be better that I expect. I’m always happy to try other things though. I will certainly try the SoundKeeper format comparisons, but I need to keep in mind relevance to my own requirements. As an example, there is plenty of music I like and would listen to available as 24 bit, but almost nothing that I would actually want to listen to is available on DSD, this probably gives me a different perspective.
  2. I’ll be honest here, I did the test, and I am not that confident that I have done that well. Nevertheless, I submitted my results. Why not? Also, irrespective of how well I have done or what the overall results may show, I have learnt something. In my system, with my ears, I now have a very good idea of how big a difference hi res makes to me. This is useful, and could be of benefit to anyone, far beyond what could be gained by reading the opinion of others and endless point scoring debate on line. For anyone reading this that is remotely interested, I would recommend that you try the test. It’s a shame that more have not in my view, but I am glad I made the effort.
  3. I'm in too, no issue downloading the files. I have to say that having made the effort to try previous blind test for music players, it was absolutely fascinating to later read through the results. Quite enlightening. This test should be well worth the effort I think.
  4. So just to clarify this point, if you use a SX spec copper ethernet to fibre media converter, with a SX SFP module and say 1m of fibre cable, everything should be "within spec" with respect to laser power and the EtherRegen's requirements etc.? Have I got this right?
  5. Out of interest, which model Ortofon cartridge in N running now?
  6. Except, of course, a scenario when the maximum SPL the system can comfortably operate at whilst maintaining its integrity would make the listener suffer hearing loss.
  7. Some interesting comments. I too have suffered a little from a system that nominally sounds great, but does have those tiny irritations. A bit like a luxury car with a tiny squeak or rattle you can't find. In my case it is mostly perceived distortion in the HF and presence range. Regarding the EtherRegen, I wrote this back in December "There was one track in particular with a snare drum that annoys me a bit, it just adds a touch of harshness that is almost heard direct from the tweeter. With my quick listen Sunday it sounded like a snare "in space", directly between the speakers. Now, I could be imagining this, it could be that some earwax fell out of one ear during the night, I am really not sure. It was, to me at least, and running from aural memory, a small but distinctive difference." So maybe for both of us the EtherRegen is doing a good job of removing the annoying digital distortion / artifacts? Small stuff in absolute terms, but it can make a huge difference by making a listening session enjoyable, rather than frustrating due to annoying niggles.
  8. Actually, what you are saying makes more sense than the words from What HiFi, who are saying the exact opposite sounds better: ”So, how come a CD sounds better if you stop it and then press play, rather than playing it from pause? Because, dear readers, we can assure you they do...”
  9. If that is your view, that is fine, and it is a reasonable point. Although it is completely missing the context and the point I was making, that in my experience people tend to express very different views on a given pair of speakers, in the same demo, with the same music, in the same room, with the same electronics.
  10. 10,000 birds to celebrate 10,000 views https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/arts/music/john-luther-adams-ten-thousand-birds-birdwatching.html
  11. I find the idea that the iPod / Parasound set up could be good enough to fool the public at a show to be entirely believable. Basically because the iPod and Parasound are perfectly decent products, and the show environment is not usually the best for super critical listening. What does puzzle me about this is the comment "Most agreed that the Sasha system sounded better." This just does not ring true to me. I have visited many shows and speakers always seem to split opinions. As an example, visit the Focal demonstration and you will find a split of people saying how good they are, these are my dream speakers, and a similar number saying something like awful, treble to slice your head off. I have been to Wilson demos in the past, some folk love them, some just don't seem to like them. Speakers more than any other hifi component seem to split opinions. Anyway, lots of waffle here, but it would seem more likely to me that if you had similarly priced speakers from B&W and Wilson Audio in a demo, opinions would be fairly split, mainly due to personal taste re speakers. OK, I was not there, so what do I know. I just suspect fowl play somewhere, or maybe a bit of spin on the reported opinions at least. All good fun though, and food for thought. I have an old iPod Classic in my car, I might just give it a go in my main system when I have some time. Plus, this reminds me a bit of the Archimago audio player blind test, where an iPhone 6 actually performed very well. http://archimago.blogspot.com/2019/05/blind-test-results-part-2-do-digital.html
  12. Reading through this thread, and in spite of lots of disagreement it seems to me that most people posting here agree that expectation bias exists. The arguments are around the detail and perhaps the value and performance of more expensive audio equipment. The point that interests me is that posed in the title of the tread, do our expectations determine our experience of sound more than we realise? Or perhaps to put it another way, just how powerful is expectation bias? The first point I would make is that it does have its limits. To take an extreme example, if you set up a properly controlled double blind test of a well set up full range hifi system versus an iPhone running on its internal speakers, I am sure most of us would be able to pick out the iPhone with 100% accuracy. Indeed, even if there was trickery, and those running the test made you think the hifi was playing, when in fact the iPhone was being used, I am still sure most of us would not be fooled. Now if the test was repeated, say with KEF Reference 5's versus KEF Q150's. This would be harder, but I would still expect something near to a 100% score with most people. But lets say the blind test was with identical speakers (and of course room), eliminating what I think is the largest variable, at what point would sighted expectation work over being readily able to actually discriminate by what is heard. Could a full dCS rig, maybe with D'Agostino mono blocks be beaten, or at least not be readily discernible from say let than $10k's worth of carefully selected, good measuring electronics? Would anyone be able to reliably hear the difference blind between a $8k music server, and the $5k model one down in the range? I terms of the music server, I personally doubt many people could do this blind, but many would discern the difference sighted, for whatever reason. By the way, I am not making any particular comment here about dCS or D'Agostino electronics, I just mention them as reasonably well respected kit that exist in the pretty expensive category. What I am interested in is where exactly the "cut off" point is between where sighted expectation bias might work, and where what we genuinely hear and process with our brain takes over. We could all do it with the iPhone versus decent hifi test, but at what point would expectation bias start to take over what we actually discern by accurate hearing?
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