plissken Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: DO you go on forums discussing religions you don't agree with and tell them they're wrong? You can't prove a negative... Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, plissken said: You can't prove a negative... The objectivists here certainly try very hard every day. Teresa, Mike Rubin, fas42 and 2 others 5 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Racerxnet Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: DO you go on forums discussing religions you don't agree with and tell them they're wrong? I didn't know audio was based on religion? I thought it was based on science. MAK tmtomh and Teresa 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Racerxnet said: I didn't know audio was based on religion? I thought it was based on science. MAK It's called an analogy. Stop with the nonsense. Sonic77 and AudioDoctor 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Racerxnet Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said: The objectivists here certainly try very hard every day. Do you know if it is a positive or negative to begin with? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Racerxnet said: Do you know if it is a positive or negative to begin with? Are you here to be part of the problem or solution? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post plissken Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: The objectivists here certainly try very hard every day. No, they are proving the levels of intellectual dishonesty that's out there. There's a difference. Someone comes up to me and says they can, from a standing position, jump up and clear a 10' high bar. All I'm going do is offer to get them a 10' high bar. I've presented a few 10' bars at AS. So far talk is really cheap. tmtomh, Teresa, Sonic77 and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, plissken said: You can't prove a negative... Thats not remotely close to my point and you know it. The Computer Audiophile, Sonic77 and Allan F 3 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Racerxnet said: I didn't know audio was based on religion? I thought it was based on science. MAK sigh... Iving and 4est 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post Racerxnet Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Are you here to be part of the problem or solution? Chris, Every objectivist who may disagree seems to be the target. Calling out the subjective opinion and asking for solid science regarding the matter is not welcome. I get it. Kind of like a ostrich head in the sand. Don't look or say anything regarding subject. It may offend someone. I'll leave it be. MAK pkane2001 and esldude 2 Link to comment
plissken Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Thats not remotely close to my point and you know it. It's called being in disagreement with you. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, plissken said: It's called being in disagreement with you. You disagree with my analogy of why I think people can in fact behave themselves here? No electron left behind. Link to comment
plissken Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: You disagree with my analogy of why I think people can in fact behave themselves here? I think they can. I just have concrete examples of ones that don't. Link to comment
Popular Post JoeWhip Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 I am more of an objectivist by far but some guys go over the line. And visa versa. As for censorship, freedom of speech ends at the front door. If a guest in my home, for example, insults my wife, I ask him to go. That request is non negotiable .This is a private site so you really have to follow the rules. That being said, it is too bad mansr felt the need to leave. sandyk, Teresa and fas42 3 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, plissken said: I think they can. I just have concrete examples of ones that don't. Its too bad they choose not to... I agree with you that they can. plissken 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, JoeWhip said: I am more of an objectivist by far but some guys go over the line. And visa versa. As for censorship, freedom of speech ends at the front door. If a guest in my home, for example, insults my wife, I ask him to go. That request is non negotiable .This is a private site so you really have to follow the rules. That being said, it is too bad mansr felt the need to leave. I agree. Some folks went over the line and this should have been addressed at the individual level by banning those individuals, not by this clumsy attempt to label and divide discussions into categories. jabbr, lucretius and tmtomh 3 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, plissken said: mansr shouldn't have to suffer fools gladly. No one wants to see him go, but it's his choice of course. He did not suffer fools, gladly or otherwise, that's just more fake news. Note no one will be shedding any tears when you go. Sonic77 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post jcbenten Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 The loss of @mansr is tragic. Really. He is the technical resource of many aspects of this hobby. He could knowledgeably comment on so many aspects I felt like he had to have gone and researched prior to commenting. I do not see anyone on this forum with his breadth of knowledge or willingness to work (I read multiple times/day). His posts on MQA should be published. That said I am not sure he treated Mani correctly but I do not understand the whole story. I have to say when he first showed, he was snarky...very snarky. But that has toned down quite a bit and, where I have spent my time, has actually been quite civil. Only providing technical information. I do not spend my time on USB cables or Ethergen sound discussions so I may be missing some posts. I do have to say when I come to the forum each morning, I look for posts by Mans...typically it is technically interesting and relevant. I do think he can overreact (Jewish ghettos...). But I wonder how much of it is cultural. I think Mans is Finnish??? I tend to think some have long memories. But I could be wrong and welcome correction. I still like to learn. And I have learned a lot on the entire forum...both musically and technically. So it comes to the change Chris has put upon the forum, and while it his forum/business, he has implemented a change may have forced a divide. Unintended consequences?? Originally this forum was "Computer Audiophile" with implied technical aspects of the music listening experience. Now it is "Audiophile Style" which implies nothing but subjective tendencies. How do you objectively do "Style"? While I will continue to frequent this forum I think a cultural shift has been implemented. I really, really hope the forum moves forward and remains entertaining. (I apologize for the randomness of the comments...but I have many roaming around in my head and some fried chicken to cook) Samuel T Cogley, esldude, kumakuma and 3 others 1 1 4 QNAP TS453Pro w/QLMS->Netgear Switch->Netgear RAX43 Router->Ethernet (50 ft)->Netgear switch->SBTouch ->SABAJ A10d->Linn Majik-IL (preamp)->Linn 2250->Linn Keilidh; Control Points: iPeng (iPad Air & iPhone); Also: Rega P3-24 w/ DV 10x5; OPPO 103; PC Playback: Foobar2000 & JRiver; Portable: iPhone 12 ProMax & Radio Paradise or NAS streaming; Sony NWZ ZX2 w/ PHA-3; SMSL IQ, Fiio Q5, iFi Nano iDSD BL; Garage: Edifier S1000DB Active Speakers Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, plissken said: What benefit does it serve to let patently B.S. statements keep circulating? How would it hurt to finally just ignore them, doesn't that essentially show what they are worth. Some things deserve no response, is there any better way to illustrate their illegitimate nature? Sonic77 and The Computer Audiophile 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Racerxnet Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said: How would it hurt to finally just ignore them, doesn't that essentially show what they are worth. Some things deserve no response, is there any better way to illustrate their illegitimate nature? If everyone says the earth is flat and there is a following, does this help mankind? Should someone speak up? MAK The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Nah, instead people like to stop HiFi enthusiasts from having fun. Makes absolutely zero sense to me. Makes no sense to me either, if someone wants to play around with different equipment, possibly make a purchase decision (or not) based on that, and most of all listen to music they love in that process, they should be free to do so without constant ridicule or the pulling of rank by certain so-called experts, even scientists. Most audiophiles are educated (read: not born yesterday), they do not need any form of consumer protection police to aid them in keeping from being fleeced by all of the abundant evil that lurks. There is such a thing called caveat emptor, and it applies everywhere, Hi-Fi included. Teresa, Sonic77 and sandyk 1 1 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
jma2 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Ouch, I personally don't like all what I see happening here with mansr and wgscott (and maybe more people) leaving... Thanks for all your contributions from which I learned quite a bit! Also thanks for the dynamics and humor, the sometimes surprising angles you brought into many of the discussions, I enjoyed it! Yes, sometimes discussions were a bit on the edge, sometimes maybe a bit over the edge... but hey, we knew where the wind came from, no?! Sad to see it occur (without having the time to explore all reactions unfortunately). AS has a unique place in the spectrum which I hope it won't loose. Not that I believe AS only depends on just a few people who now decide to leave, far from... but... some true color is for sure being washed away today. Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, jcbenten said: So it comes to the change Chris has put upon the forum, and while it his forum/business, he has implemented a change may have forced a divide. Unintended consequences?? Originally this forum was "Computer Audiophile" with implied technical aspects of the music listening experience. Now it is "Audiophile Style" which implies nothing but subjective tendencies. How do you objectively do "Style"? I thought Chris picked "Style" only because it rhymed with Audiophile 😄 MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 2 Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Racerxnet said: If everyone says the earth is flat and there is a following, does this help mankind? Should someone speak up? MAK Your analogy is absurd. Ignore it and the Earth will surely still go 'round and 'round. Teresa 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, jma2 said: Ouch, I personally don't like all what I see happening here with mansr and wgscott mansr's contribution here is both well recognized and respected... Blake, Teresa and tmtomh 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
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