Is It Time For Moderators?

[The Computer Audiophile]

43 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

 

But (but but) you ARE on a civility crusade!  Your particular viewpoint around "social media ethics" was put forward, I don't know, 2 years ago now.  The forum went round about it, on several threads (usually these were OT discussions), in both a positive and negative way.  Your viewpoint was in the main rejected. I and many others don't agree with you.  You continue to put forth your viewpoint, as is your right.  Rather than trying to persuade however, you claim "personal" attack.  You have little tolerance for others view on this, and claim "personal attack" and victimhood relentlessly.  Folks have said I am on an "anti-MQA crusade" and I don't complain - I even admit the truth in it!  

 

You being on a civility crusade, refuse to own up to it.  In THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH following your claim of victimhood you try to convince that a change is needed, something called "informed moderation" (by which you really mean those who agree with you on civility), and how this would be "good" for the forum.  I believe this would be bad for the forum.  You believe in the righteousness of your cause, of your particular cities standards.  I don't - I come from a different city.  You claim victimhood, I deny it - or whatever the truth in it get over it, its audio.  You have demanded change and your ethical standards.  I call this a crusade, and it is.  

 

Up is down, left is right...

Dude, do you care about audio? You only seem to talk about how we talk to each other. 

[Richard Dale]

8 minutes ago, crenca said:

I own my anti-mqa, anti-censorship, pro-consumer crusade.

Do you have any experience of listening to high quality audio systems?

[Ralf11]

3 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

Anyway, I am American and I want MORE freedoms. You can have them when I am dead.

 

 

Will we "have to pry your [USB cables] from your cold, dead fingers"?

 

We do know they will be very cold.

[Ralf11]

1 hour ago, Teresa said:

 

Yes! Let's be free of Latin!

 

 I believe people use Latin terms and ten dollar words to show off. ...

 

I agree.  greek only - no latin.

 

People use hamiltonians & gradient operators to show off.

 

Seriously, I agree with Allan who framed the issue very well.  This jargon is a short-cut that saves a lot of typing (e.g. EMI); and some concepts cannot even be stated in English.

 

As for big fancy words just to show off - Mark Twain put that down pretty well.

[AudioDoctor]

30 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

 

Will we "have to pry your [USB cables] from your cold, dead fingers"?

 

We do know they will be very cold.

 

The question you need to ask yourself is, do you think a USB cable made to meet the specs and not some fancy thousand dollar marketing scheme, will make enough difference in your system to justify the effort required?

[crenca]

48 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Dude, do you care about audio? You only seem to talk about how we talk to each other. 

 

Was my response off topic (the need for moderation) in general or the specific Christopher3393 accusation against me (yet again) and of the need for moderation?  

 

Is this thread about audio?

 

You got me confused on this one...this is your moderation/talk-to-each other thread!

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

Was my response off topic (the need for moderation) in general or the specific Christopher3393 accusation against me (yet again) and of the need for moderation?  

 

Is this thread about audio?

 

You got me confused on this one...this is your moderation/talk-to-each other thread!

I'm just tired of reading about your take on what you call a civility crusade. Plus, your comment was directed right at christopher, not directed at the discussion of moderation or for anyone else to read (except that you'd never send that in a PM to him because you want everyone to read your post).

[Ralf11]

14 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

The question you need to ask yourself is, do you think a USB cable made to meet the specs and not some fancy thousand dollar marketing scheme, will make enough difference in your system to justify the effort required?

 

but the one in your "cold, dead fingers" will be cryo-treated...

[crenca]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

I'm just tired of reading about your take on what you call a civility crusade. Plus, your comment was directed right at christopher, not directed at the discussion of moderation or for anyone else to read (except that you'd never send that in a PM to him because you want everyone to read your post).

 

It was a response to his accusation that my use of civility crusade is a personal attack.  So he can claim he is being "attacked" and victimhood and point the finger at me but I can't respond!?  Ok, as long as I know the rules.

 

We have already PMed.  Did not help.  Its a disagreement that goes all the way down.  Up is down, left is right sort of thing...

[PeterSt]

5 minutes ago, crenca said:

Ok, as long as I know the rules.

 

So again.

[vmartell22]

1 hour ago, Richard Dale said:

Do you have any experience of listening to high quality audio systems?

 

Well - the above post is a perfect example of how things degenerate - and how difficult moderation will be - to me this is a key post in a thread  and show how things get derailed. 

 

Obvious a bit of a loaded post - full of implied... hmm how to say it?... I don't want to pick a fight with Richard, so I would say... this is the impression that I get... if it wasn't Richard's intention - I apologize... but to be fair, I believe that If I get the impression, other people will... and so... then the argument will start... so again...

 

The post is full of implications re: crenca's ability, audio knowledge etc. of which the poster  might not know anything about. It is also a proud subjectivist post,  indicating that it's only about what  you hear (which of course, whether true or not, that is part of the debate). It could also rub people the wrong way as it could be interpreted as implying that access to high end equipment (and correlating, high income) equals knowledge/expertise.  Someone will pick up on that and violently disagree.

 

And there goes the thread. So the question - how do you moderate that? should a post like this be moderated? I know for sure that it COULD be the start of the thread going awry. Yet, it is NOT an inappropriate post at all, whatever one might think of it.

 

I had to stop myself from posting my opinions on that matter - in order to make this post about the difficulties of moderation and keep it on topic - How about a self moderation campaign, Chris? When you login you get a message - keep it civil moderate yourself, don't post angry, etc...

 

v

 

[gdpr]

New Year is coming, and as most people, I am making a  number of Good New Year intentions.

 

Unfortunatilly, I will add one to my limited list : don't look at CA for (at least) the month of January.

After that, I will see.

 

This forum has got a serious desease, and it will need strong medicine and a long recovery period to get back on it's feet again.

 

It is just incredible how people are 'not' communicating with each other, in a way that would never happen face to face.

I don't have the statistics, but I am convinced that less than 20 persons (maybe even less than 10) can be accounted for more than 80% of forum 'traffic', doing nothing else than shouting at each other.

 

Happy New Year, best wishes and a very good health to all forum members.

 

Goodbye for now

 

Dirk

 

[rickca]

23 minutes ago, ddetaey said:

I am convinced that less than 20 persons (maybe even less than 10) can be accounted for more than 80% of forum 'traffic', doing nothing else than shouting at each other

I agree that a handful of users are ruining the experience for everyone.  I understand the frustration and some days I'm ready to throw in the towel too.  I don't engage with these guys and I have a growing list of ignored users but it's impossible to avoid awareness of all the crap.

[Richard Dale]

38 minutes ago, vmartell22 said:

 

Well - the above post is a perfect example of how things degenerate - and how difficult moderation will be - to me this is a key post in a thread  and show how things get derailed. 

 

Obvious a bit of a loaded post - full of implied... hmm how to say it?... I don't want to pick a fight with Richard, so I would say... this is the impression that I get... if it wasn't Richard's intention - I apologize... but to be fair, I believe that If I get the impression, other people will... and so... then the argument will start... so again...

 

The post is full of implications re: crenca's ability, audio knowledge etc. of which the poster  might not know anything about. It is also a proud subjectivist post,  indicating that it's only about what  you hear (which of course, whether true or not, that is part of the debate). It could also rub people the wrong way as it could be interpreted as implying that access to high end equipment (and correlating, high income) equals knowledge/expertise.  Someone will pick up on that and violently disagree.

 

And there goes the thread. So the question - how do you moderate that? should a post like this be moderated? I know for sure that it COULD be the start of the thread going awry. Yet, it is NOT an inappropriate post at all, whatever one might think of it.

 

I had to stop myself from posting my opinions on that matter - in order to make this post about the difficulties of moderation and keep it on topic - How about a self moderation campaign, Chris? When you login you get a message - keep it civil moderate yourself, don't post angry, etc...

 

v

 

I am not a 'proud subjectivist'. I have been an audiophile for over 45 years, got really good grades in physics at school and have a degree in philosophy where I studied philosophy of science. I work for a company that provides Linux consultancy including work on upstreaming patches for USB class 3 audio.

 

I shouldn't need to say all that because all I am trying to say is that because you are a 'subjectivist' it doesn't mean that you are ignorant of science or software.

 

I recently tried to explain how asynchronous USB works on another thread as I think it is commonly misunderstood, but crenca replied with a rude and clueless response. He seemed more concerned about insulting 'subjectivists' than collaborating to achieve a better understanding of USB audio.

[Blake]

1 hour ago, vmartell22 said:

 

It is also a proud subjectivist post,  indicating that it's only about what  you hear 

 

 

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[audiobomber]

2 hours ago, BigAlMc said:

Was this thread a test perchance?

I'm worried were failing if so. Or should that be ipso facto ?

 

? We should have a LMAO button along with Upvote, Like and Off Topic.

 

Is perchance a $10 word? If not, it must be at least $8.

[AudioDoctor]

...And we're off...

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

 

but the one in your "cold, dead fingers" will be cryo-treated...

 

That's a good point, the crystalline structure of the copper will be organized. It will then be up to you to decide which direction is correct for the electrons to travel...

[rickca]

It looks like we need moderator intervention in this thread.  Ironic.

[RickyV]

1 hour ago, ddetaey said:

It is just incredible how people are 'not' communicating with each other, in a way that would never happen face to face.

 

That is the modern day problem of this time. Email, Twitter, Facebook and also forum’s. It is spitting out thoughts safely from behind your computer without any consequence. Without any non verbal signs.

 

[audiobomber]

8 minutes ago, rickca said:

It looks like we need moderator intervention in this thread.  Ironic.

Considering that our only moderator is participating, I assume he does not see a need to moderate. Censoring this mild thread would be heavy-handed IMO. 

[rickca]

Wow, no sense of humor.  This is my last post in this thread.

[The Computer Audiophile]

22 minutes ago, audiobomber said:

Considering that our only moderator is participating, I assume he does not see a need to moderate. Censoring this mild thread would be heavy-handed IMO. 

Trying to spend time with my 6 year old daughter rather than babysitting adults. I’ll get to this thread in a bit. 

[marce]

I think this forum works and is fine as it is. But then I don't use the ignore button and never have. If I did I would only read viewpoints that agreed with my view of the world... Not very informative, educational or the basis of an interesting conversation.

Do we want moderation or censorship I wonder.

[marce]

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Trying to spend time with my 6 year old daughter rather than babysitting adults. I’ll get to this thread in a bit. 

Lucky you, my daughters (4) have grown up, though I have had several of the darling grand-kids (1.5 to 8yrs) this Christmas...  Never, never buy them all sticker books, we thought it would be safer than colouring books!

Sorry for the OT