Is It Time For Moderators?

[Rt66indierock]

2 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

The question you need to ask yourself is, do you think a USB cable made to meet the specs and not some fancy thousand dollar marketing scheme, will make enough difference in your system to justify the effort required?

 

It did for me in 2000 thanks to a golfing buddy at Intel.

[Allan F]

With a moderate degree of moderation, there is no need for a moderator.

[fas42]

Maybe we need an "Ego battles!" sub-forum ...

[sandyk]

34 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’ll get to this thread in a bit. 

Chris

 When you finish spending some quality time with your daughter, are you able to drag out some Traffic Stats. for the last few days ? (NFP-Personal use only)

Given the extremely small number of replies to your thread, in  a forum with so many members and viewers, it seems a bit weird that there isn't far greater participation.

Could it be that the majority of silent members only visit occasionally ,or simply think that this whole issue is a storm in a teacup , or is it that for most members , time for family is more important this time of year , especially given school holidays etc.? 

 With ProBoards forums it is also possible to send out group emails advising members of special promotions, and even notice of polls like this one which could result in a change to the T.O.S. of the forum.

At least it would result in a more accurate result to your question, and quite possibly result in only minor changes (if any) being needed .

I suspect however that many of the frequent posters will feel threatened by such a suggestion.

Alex

[PeterSt]

27 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Trying to spend time with my 6 year old daughter rather than babysitting adults. I’ll get to this thread in a bit. 

 

And step away from the best things in your life which will never return ?

The adult babies will do fine. Make that something for tomorrow or next week. Family is always first. OK, should be.

[sandyk]

1 hour ago, audiobomber said:

We should have a LMAO button along with Upvote, Like and Off Topic.

 

 What we need is for people to stop incorrectly using the OFF TOPIC button to voice their displeasure, instead of it being used for what it is provided for. Used correctly it has the potential to alert Admin to potential conflict problems when enough instances are recorded.

[PeterSt]

10 minutes ago, sandyk said:

storm in a teacup

 

storm in a glass of water, we say over here.

Now why.

[RickyV]

3 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

 What we need is for people to stop incorrectly using the OFF TOPIC button to voice their displeasure, instead of it being used for what it is provided for. Used correctly it has the potential to alert Admin to potential conflict problems when enough instances are recorded.

Yes we need a disagre button too

[sandyk]

1 minute ago, RickyV said:

Yes we need a disagre button too

 

 I think that this option may not have been provided so that groups of members can't vote as a Bloc in order to disrupt/shout down or attempt to intimidate the OP or other posters in the thread.

[Don Hills]

Like/dislike has been tried. (Can't remember which forum.) Like any system, as Alex said, it was gamed and was discontinued.

[lucretius]

5 hours ago, Teresa said:

 

23 hours ago, lucretius said:

 

Non sequitur. ?

 

Please speak simple English!

 

 

Sorry, it was a joke -- it would not have worked in English.

[look&listen]

44 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

storm in a glass of water, we say over here.

Now why.

Less elitist?

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

3 hours ago, ddetaey said:

New Year is coming, and as most people, I am making a  number of Good New Year intentions.

Unfortunatilly, I will add one to my limited list : don't look at CA for (at least) the month of January.

After that, I will see.

 

It would be interesting to know just how many others have also turned away from CA. The only reason I know about this thread is that @sandyk sent me a personal email.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, ddetaey said:

 

This forum has got a serious desease, and it will need strong medicine and a long recovery period to get back on it's feet again.

 

Sadly, I agree with your prognosis.

 

 

3 hours ago, ddetaey said:

It is just incredible how people are 'not' communicating with each other, in a way that would never happen face to face.

 

Yes, there is something about getting behind the steering wheel of a car...and participating in internet message boards that just seems to bring out the worst in *some* people.

 

 

[PeterSt]

21 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

It would be interesting to know just how many others have also turned away from CA.

 

Maybe that is not so interesting because you can sense it. More interesting would be to know the reason of why.

I have a hint (because I too receive PM's): because people don't want to go away but can't stand staying.

So there is this relative proposition of liking to be here, but be teased away as soon as you re-attempt. It's almost like marriage.

 

This is about the "moderate yes or no" thread, right ? it's also hot to denote (no, prescribe) safe places, lately. Well, my advice to Chris might be to provide a safe place to everyone. Also to those who are sure not to need it. A better place ? BS. But why have this idiot fights all the time. Fights ? I feel like a young girl now.

So why not. Give. Taking is not necessary.

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

This forum has rules and timely appropriate moderation is required when people do not stick to those rules.

 

It appears some frequent posters are here on a mission. To clean up the industry - that they believe needs cleaning up; to challenge what others can hear - that they believe cannot be heard; to save people from themselves - that they believe need to be saved; and the list goes on. Some of course just like making sarcastic and belittling remarks and personal attacks.

 

At the end of the day it boils down to a clash in belief systems.

 

It seems to me that audiophiles should have the freedom to discuss and promote their beliefs and share their experiences with like minded hobbyists. That freedom should apply to $0 DIY tweaks or uber expensive high-end systems.

 

There should also be the freedom to challenge opinions, debate issues, and learn from collegiate and scholarly discussion. However, many have heard the same challenges all too many times, and typically from the same posters. There comes a time where there needs to be freedom from such *unwanted* challenges.

 

For most of us Audio is a hobby, its supposed to be fun without being held to account or ridiculed.

 

IMO/IME/YMMV

 

 

 

[Tone Deaf]

Voted No, because I just can't understand how one can moderate civility.  Multiple viewpoints are why I'm here.  When threads devolve past the viewpoint stage, I check out.

 

That said, the current Objectivists/Subjectivists thread is over 150 posts and counting, and is still civil.  I wonder if that is somehow related to this ongoing Poll?  If things get rough in the future, maybe Chris should just start another "Is It time For Moderators" poll? ?

[PeterSt]

23 minutes ago, Tone Deaf said:

the current Objectivists/Subjectivists thread is over 150 posts and counting, and is still civil.

 

I tried to derail it (edit: I mean challenge it), but couldn't get it done (English is too poor).

 

23 minutes ago, Tone Deaf said:

I wonder if that is somehow related to this ongoing Poll?

 

No way, IMO.

It looks more like numbed. More later (but I hope not).

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

7 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

It appears some frequent posters are here on a mission. To clean up the industry - that they believe needs cleaning up; to challenge what others can hear - that they believe cannot be heard; to save people from themselves - that they believe need to be saved; and the list goes on. Some of course just like making sarcastic and belittling remarks and personal attacks.

This is one of my biggest frustrations. Adults who can’t let other adults be adults. Some treat adults like children by attempting to save them from something with which they disagree. 

 

If people don’t like subjective threads about cables, tweaks, etc... then leave the threads alone. If people have something to offer, then by all means offer it up. But, don’t enter the thread and give adults the same arguments they’ve been hearing for decades. It gets old. 

 

I think many people who try to save others from themselves are also playing dumb. They know what’s going to happen, but frequently pretend to offer “help” for some kid who may see the thread and “not know how things work” etc...

 

i also don’t understand why people like to participate in topics where those who are enjoying themselves in the topic clearly don’t want their participation. 

 

Don’t get me wrong. There’s a huge difference between being a jerk and adding value to a topic. Disagreements often add value and are encouraged. 

 

I think it all comes down to respecting other human beings and one’s self. If people don’t want you in their thread, have some respect and stay out. Open your own thread. 

[lucretius]

21 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

At the end of the day it boils down to a clash in belief systems.

 

Labeling any conflict as "religious" (i.e. a difference in belief systems) is problematic. Labels in general are problematic. They simultaneously mean very specific things, but also extremely vague things. They have a tendency to contaminate conversations even before they have taken place.

[Allan F]

2 hours ago, PeterSt said:

storm in a glass of water, we say over here.

 

"tempest in a teapot" in North America

[look&listen]

28 minutes ago, Tone Deaf said:

Voted No, because I just can't understand how one can moderate civility.

Anyone see this like-

"Your hearing wrong, because I just can't understand how can physically happen"

?

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

15 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

Labeling any conflict as "religious" (i.e. a difference in belief systems) is problematic.

 

I did not label anything as "religious". A difference in belief systems is not confined to religion.

 

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Labels in general are problematic. They simultaneously mean very specific things, but also extremely vague things. They have a tendency to contaminate conversations even before they have taken place.

 

I do not believe I "labelled" anything. Simply put, unless something can be 'labelled' a *fact* then it seems to me we are talking about beliefs or perhaps, interpretation of the facts.

[Allan F]

31 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

This is one of my biggest frustrations. Adults who can’t let other adults be adults. Some treat adults like children by attempting to save them from something with which they disagree. 

 

If people don’t like subjective threads about cables, tweaks, etc... then leave the threads alone. If people have something to offer, then by all means offer it up. But, don’t enter the thread and give adults the same arguments they’ve been hearing for decades. It gets old. 

 

I think many people who try to save others from themselves are also playing dumb. They know what’s going to happen, but frequently pretend to offer “help” for some kid who may see the thread and “not know how things work” etc...

 

i also don’t understand why people like to participate in topics where those who are enjoying themselves in the topic clearly don’t want their participation.

 

I don't know that they are playing dumb. Rather, they are narcissistic and constantly seek attention by derailing threads.

 

Sadly, the cloak of anonymity of internet forums attracts such trolling behaviour. It seems that the only way to discourage them is to ignore them. If referring to them as trolls is "labelling", so be it.

[lucretius]

8 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

21 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

Labeling any conflict as "religious" (i.e. a difference in belief systems) is problematic.

 

I did not label anything as "religious". A difference in belief systems is not confined to religion.

 

I meant "religious" in the following sense (from Oxford):

 

Treated or regarded with a devotion and scrupulousness appropriate to worship.

‘I have a religious aversion to reading manuals’

 

10 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

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Labels in general are problematic. They simultaneously mean very specific things, but also extremely vague things. They have a tendency to contaminate conversations even before they have taken place.

 

I do not believe I "labelled" anything. Simply put, unless something can be 'labelled' a *fact* then it seems to me we are talking about beliefs or perhaps, interpretation of the facts.

 

When you said "it boils down to a clash in belief systems", you essentially referred to the labels albeit without explicitly naming them.

[PeterSt]

2 minutes ago, Allan F said:

Sadly, the cloak of anonymity of internet forums attracts such trolls.

 

I don't think the subjects involved here, are anonymous. We know them too well.

I feel it is adrenaline boost (for eternity) that make people behave and post like that. I can do it easily too. But it is not natural behavior.

 

How many times did I see rancorous behavior hence explicit mention of "getting back" ? ... too often.

@The Computer Audiophile, I said it before (but could not get it across): the chat-like behavior this forum software encourages for, does not help this cause. Adrenaline is swept up easily. Just imagine that you're a pensionado and watch anything to pop up from this forum (CA, ... and that for close to 24/7).  How long would it take to get hyped once you start responding ? 20 minutes ?

No smoking needed. It just happens.