The EtherREGEN thread for various network, cable, power experiences and experiments

[jamesg11]

2 hours ago, One and a half said:

Yes install DX filter :

Router to mac mini

Mac mini to ER 

The Bridge connection is agnostic to the DX filter. Mac mini IMHO is on par with a router as far as noise produced is concerned. 

Even with the fully Uptoned-mods of fore?

 

BTW, which of the above links is the DX to go with? The PLUS-2 or PLUS10?

[One and a half]

3 hours ago, jamesg11 said:

Even with the fully Uptoned-mods of fore?

Yes

3 hours ago, jamesg11 said:

 

BTW, which of the above links is the DX to go with? The PLUS-2 or PLUS10?

The plus 10 is a 5 pair pack, so 10 DX units or 5 cables in the chain

Electrically they are all the same spec.

[magnuska]

So is the DX filter system more effective in reducing RF EMI than ordinary audiophile ethernetcables? 

 

I have seen such filters during the years and in most cases it may have an effect of lowering the noisefloor but tend to suck the life of music. Like when using Dolby noisereduction in the time of cassettes? 

Some years ago I bought EMO 70 and EMO 60 but in the end I removed them. 

 

Since they are cheap it could be worth trying though. Can you folks who have tried DX system explain more about its SQ benefits.

[flkin]

Has anyone tried the DX pair after the EtherRegen rather than before?

[Rsbrsvp]

1 hour ago, magnuska said:

So is the DX filter system more effective in reducing RF EMI than ordinary audiophile ethernetcables? 

 

I have seen such filters during the years and in most cases it may have an effect of lowering the noisefloor but tend to suck the life of music. Like when using Dolby noisereduction in the time of cassettes? 

Some years ago I bought EMO 70 and EMO 60 but in the end I removed them. 

 

Since they are cheap it could be worth trying though. Can you folks who have tried DX system explain more about its SQ benefits.

cleaner, clearer, more air, tighter, more focus.

 

1 hour ago, flkin said:

Has anyone tried the DX pair after the EtherRegen rather than before?

no.  John Swenson and "One and a Half" both recommended not to do so.

[magnuska]

35 minutes ago, Rsbrsvp said:

cleaner, clearer, more air, tighter, more focus.

 

no.  John Swenson and "One and a Half" both recommended not to do so.

Thank you,  I also took the plunge and ordered a set. 

I followed Martins advice to buy the cheap chinese external clock and after that the Afterdark queen square wave. THIS was a huge upgrade very much recommended. Maybe this DX set will do little and hopefully not reduce life and dynamics.

[flkin]

My 5 pairs just arrived. The unit is smaller than I expected. 
 

Doesn’t make any difference in my system at all. It could be that my Sotm Ethernet cables are already filtered? Will burn for for a few days and try again. I’m not currently using the EtherRegen. 
 

3 hours ago, Rsbrsvp said:

no.  John Swenson and "One and a Half" both recommended not to do so.

 

You found it made a large difference used the ‘right way’. Aren’t you curious when it’s used the ‘wrong way’ ..? 😉

[James Stephens]

Ok here it is folks .. the ultimate anti-vibration shelf for my ER + AfterDark Clock + 2 x LPS 1.2's:

 

18" x 11" x 1" Granite

4x Herbies Giant Fot Dots

18" x 11" x 1.5" Walnut 

4x Iso Acoustics Gaia III Feet

 

Shelf weighs a little under 30 lbs (granite approx. 20 lbs and walnut approx. 7 lbs).

 

Feel free to laugh, or cry .. or hopefully in some cases be at least at little impressed?

 

Best,

James

[Johnnydev]

10 minutes ago, James Stephens said:

Ok here it is folks .. the ultimate anti-vibration shelf for my ER + AfterDark Clock + 2 x LPS 1.2's:

 

18" x 11" x 1" Granite

4x Herbies Giant Fot Dots

18" x 11" x 1.5" Walnut 

4x Iso Acoustics Gaia III Feet

 

Shelf weighs a little under 30 lbs (granite approx. 20 lbs and walnut approx. 7 lbs).

 

Feel free to laugh, or cry .. or hopefully in some cases be at least at little impressed?

 

Best,

James

And I thought I was crazy? ;-)

[Johnnydev]

And yes, i am impressed 

[MarkusBarkus]

Well done. I needed a new HiFi Idol...and you're it @James Stephens

 

I have also made a few anti-vibration "sandwiches" with Herbies products, although it's usually wood-over-wood structures. The stone is nice for adding extra mass. No kidding: thoughtful and creative work. 

[One and a half]

7 hours ago, flkin said:

My 5 pairs just arrived. The unit is smaller than I expected. 
 

Doesn’t make any difference in my system at all. It could be that my Sotm Ethernet cables are already filtered? Will burn for for a few days and try again. I’m not currently using the EtherRegen. 
 

 

You found it made a large difference used the ‘right way’. Aren’t you curious when it’s used the ‘wrong way’ ..? 😉

When not using the EtherRegen,  the sound was not good, that's with CAT5e cabling. The DX is complementary with the ER the combo has very good benefits for SQ.

 

I don't know the SOTM cable, if it's shielded, I would not use the EtherRegen with them,  the shield affects the soundstage and adds treble distortion. 

When returning home in a few weeks I will try and replace the short supplied cable with UTP, see what happens there.

 

It's possible to use STP, but the bonding cable from source to receiver is ten's of metres away, so not practical to do so.

[Superdad]

5 hours ago, James Stephens said:

Ok here it is folks .. the ultimate anti-vibration shelf for my ER + AfterDark Clock + 2 x LPS 1.2's:

As we used to say in So.Cal where I grew up: Van Nuys!!  

[PYP]

On 5/10/2021 at 2:57 AM, Rsbrsvp said:

I have received and installed my DX Ethernet filters between my modem and my Sonore Optical Module Deluxe which precedes my ER.

 

IMMEDIATELY with NO BURN IN I heard a very appreciable sonic upgrade.  We are talking about serious "veil lifting".

 

I know Mr. Swenson said the improvement would be system dependent and range between no improvement and minor improvement when placed before side A, but my ears hear appreciable improvement.  I know audiophiles have a tendency to exaggerate, but I have considered my words before writing them and I am confident that the improvement is appreciable.....

 

Thank you to "one and a half" for the recommendation of this truly incredible (and almost free) product.  SUPERB.....

Using the same installation:  one DX filter after the ISP-provided modem/router/wifi unit and one before the oM.  I always assume everything inserted into a setup needs time to settle in for a week, but with less than one day the little emi/rfi filters are working well with the oM and eRs.  Translation:  more natural and greater depth.  

 

I love these $50 experiments (last one was the mini-circuits filter for clock connection).  Thank you @One and a half .  Interesting to try stuff that comes from outside the audiophile world.   

[One and a half]

2 hours ago, PYP said:

Using the same installation:  one DX filter after the ISP-provided modem/router/wifi unit and one before the oM.  I always assume everything inserted into a setup needs time to settle in for a week, but with less than one day the little emi/rfi filters are working well with the oM and eRs.  Translation:  more natural and greater depth.  

 

I love these $50 experiments (last one was the mini-circuits filter for clock connection).  Thank you @One and a half .  Interesting to try stuff that comes from outside the audiophile world.   

Oh blame me then 😀

 

Just wondering if the DX filter had an 'audiophile equivalent ' the price could be 5 times over, but fortunately has not occurred, but give it some time....

[agladstone]

On 5/11/2021 at 2:56 PM, JohnSwenson said:

For all of your with Aurender issues with an ER here are a couple things to look into.

 

I have probably 20 linux based endpoints and don't have this issue, so I don't think it is a general linux issue.

 

One thing to try is to make sure the entire network system including the ER is powered up and running before turning on the Aurender. The ER takes 3-4 seconds so having it powered up already takes that out of the possibilities.

 

Every switch you put in the path between router and endpoint increases the DHCP latency. One thing to try with this is to replace the ER with a cheap unmanaged switch. Don't just take the ER out, but REPLACE it with another switch. If the issue is the extra latency of the ER, replacing it with another switch may have the issue. If it does then we have some important information to try and figure out what to do.

 

John S.

John:

FYI, the Aurender is an always on device. It goes into a soft stand by when not being played, but the only way to do a hard shutdown is a few step process, Aurrender strongly encourages and is designed to be always on. 

[agladstone]

On 5/12/2021 at 3:33 AM, Ahura77 said:

Thank you @Pokey77 for the info. 

 

I am using Aurender N100H with ER.

My cables are Supra Cat8 (at A side) with Sablon 2020 ethernet cable (at B side).

As I said it is not related with cable. I tried also with other cables. Same issue.

Maybe this problem it is related more with Aurender N100 model but I am not sure. 

For reference, I am also using Aurrender model N100H. 

[agladstone]

On 5/14/2021 at 12:16 PM, James Stephens said:

Ok here it is folks .. the ultimate anti-vibration shelf for my ER + AfterDark Clock + 2 x LPS 1.2's:

 

18" x 11" x 1" Granite

4x Herbies Giant Fot Dots

18" x 11" x 1.5" Walnut 

4x Iso Acoustics Gaia III Feet

 

Shelf weighs a little under 30 lbs (granite approx. 20 lbs and walnut approx. 7 lbs).

 

Feel free to laugh, or cry .. or hopefully in some cases be at least at little impressed?

 

Best,

James

Nice work!! I’ve made something very similar that I use as speaker stands for my Martin Logan Towers, with spikes under the speakers sitting on top. 
Recently, in an attempt to manage all these little pieces of gear I keep adding to my system (LPS 1.2’s, ER, ISORegen, etc), I installed a couple of wire management devices meant to manage your cables under a desk and it has worked out very well (with built in wire management as a bonus ). 
Only cost me $10 for each one too!! 

[R1200CL]

In the ugliest digital setup contest, here is my contribution 😀

 

 

I do have some plans of making things more presentable. 
But system is still under “development”. 

[Mouna]

regarding the DX Filter....how about optimizing the little cable that connects it - how about a better quality cable - should improve the SQ - any ideas where to get a short version of a good inexpensive solution for this?????

 

[Tokyokyoto]

On 5/14/2021 at 5:32 PM, Superdad said:

As we used to say in So.Cal where I grew up: Van Nuys!!  

On 5/14/2021 at 5:32 PM, Superdad said:

As we used to say in So.Cal where I grew up: Van Nuys!!  

......Sher-man.....Oaks.

[James Stephens]

Lol I need a decoder ring!

 

Van Nuys!  = super cool? .. or should I be saying "hella cool" since we are in So. Cal?

 

Sherman Oaks = I did a bunch of shopping for this tweak? ..... if so it would be very true lol ... 

 

(I'm an English guy living in New Jersey so bear with me!)

 

Best,

James

[FIndingit]

People really should invest in a proper audiophile rack. Instead of buying the 3rd ER and the 6th Farad power supply, it's a highly recommended investment, which will never overheat and stop working.

[PYP]

3 hours ago, Mouna said:

regarding the DX Filter....how about optimizing the little cable that connects it - how about a better quality cable - should improve the SQ - any ideas where to get a short version of a good inexpensive solution for this?????

 

I haven't found much, if any, difference in cables that are connected before the eR.  The cable from the eR to streamer/DAC/endpoint does make a difference in SQ.  The monoprice slimrun version makes running cables very easy, so that is what I use for the cable that doesn't matter (to me).   

[roman410]

   Received two pairs DX Engineering ISO-PLUS Ethernet RF Filters last thursday. They are small light plastic boxes. The included short ethernet cables are shielded and look solid constructed. I found one filter do not have properly clamped cover and my curiosity what I have still from my childhood ( when I destroyed all my battery operated toys just for look what it is inside ), do not let me use filter without take cover off.. When I found only two Halo rj45 connectors soldered to simple board with traces inside, no additional visible parts I was very skeptical about improvements.

 

   I have several ethernet switches between my router and EtherRegen and choose try this filters between 27 feet long cat6 ethernet wire moded with JSSG treatment, conncted two Buffalo switches like most weaken point. To my surprise they are work. Noticed lower noise floor and improved overal musicality. To that point I was satisfy with my purchase.

 

   Today morning after installing second pair between Buffalo switch and EtherRegen, this time connected with very good Sablon Audio Panatela Reserva LAN cable, I was blown away! The effect was much stronger, like on the first pair and found it is cumulative.  Right now I know what that mean hearing singer lips and breath movements!

 

  Thank you to One and a half to discover this relatively cheap network filters, If I can voting for best tweak of the year, you have my vote.