The EtherREGEN thread for various network, cable, power experiences and experiments

[roman410]

On 5/14/2021 at 6:58 AM, magnuska said:

Thank you,  I also took the plunge and ordered a set. 

I followed Martins advice to buy the cheap chinese external clock and after that the Afterdark queen square wave. THIS was a huge upgrade very much recommended. Maybe this DX set will do little and hopefully not reduce life and dynamics.

  

In my case DX filters definitely do not reduce life and dynamics.

[One and a half]

1 hour ago, roman410 said:

   Thank you to One and a half to discover this relatively cheap network filters, If I can voting for best tweak of the year, you have my vote.

 

Now that a few of us have tried the DX filters there is a common benefit that's apparent right after install

- Soundstage benefits especially depth

- Less noise equates to less masking of finer details

- More pronounced with an ER in the chain, should really be a prerequisite.  If the filter is used, there's benefit, but combined with ER outstanding.

 

In my case the Ethernet chain finishes at a Lumin and to Dac. So the interface at the renderer sees a lot less noise, which can ruin soundstage. 

 

Interesting the use of the Sablon cable and thanks for sharing. Do you know if there is a screen and how it connected, is the cable directional, usually a clue. I only have CAT5e UTP as a baseline, maybe start at the B side with fine tuning of cabling with an audiophile grade cable. I do know that full shield cables are no good and have an adverse affect on the A side.

[Mike Rubin]

Is anyone using the DX devices on a network that includes fiber in the music signal path or are you all using only copper?

[PYP]

24 minutes ago, Mike Rubin said:

Is anyone using the DX devices on a network that includes fiber in the music signal path or are you all using only copper?

One DX filter in my setup connects the copper patch cable coming from in-wall copper to an OpticalModule which connects to the first eR via fiber.  

[PYP]

This is a graph from the instructions of common mode RF attenuation when using two filters:

 

 

[Mike Rubin]

37 minutes ago, PYP said:

One DX filter in my setup connects the copper patch cable coming from in-wall copper to an OpticalModule which connects to the first eR via fiber.  

Ah, I see now that you mentioned that above.  I obviously spaced out.  Thanks for letting me know.  Sounds like the DX’s can help even when there is fiber in the path.

[Mouna]

17 hours ago, PYP said:

I haven't found much, if any, difference in cables that are connected before the eR.  The cable from the eR to streamer/DAC/endpoint does make a difference in SQ.  The monoprice slimrun version makes running cables very easy, so that is what I use for the cable that doesn't matter (to me).   

that are not my findings - the more is done to reduce unwanted noise , the better tne cables before ER and cabling and PSU after the router which is before the ER the better everything.....

[Johnnydev]

1 hour ago, Mouna said:

that are not my findings - the more is done to reduce unwanted noise , the better tne cables before ER and cabling and PSU after the router which is before the ER the better everything.....

yes you are right!

[Nikko1960]

My DX pair arrived this morning.  I installed the first DX between my router and a Mac Mini dedicated to HQPlayer.  That computer has a bridged network and its second ethernet port connects via a long cable run to an EtherRen.  I placed the second DX just before the ER.  My ER has the Queen clock (the ER special) from Adrian at AfterDark and I bought his fancy ethernet cable to connect the ER to an UltraRendu.  My DAC is a Lampi Baltic3 special with volume control and some upgraded tubes.

 

To cut to the chase, I thought my system was pretty sorted.  These DX gizmos really work, and have brought an immediate uplift to clarity, soundstage and bass.  It's not even subtle.  Excellent bang for buck.  If you are running an NAA over ethernet, they are a must-buy.

[LewinskiH01]

6 hours ago, PYP said:

One DX filter in my setup connects the copper patch cable coming from in-wall copper to an OpticalModule which connects to the first eR via fiber.  

 

Interesting! So the DX also has a positive impact in a system like your upstream from fiber and two eRs in series. I was wondering about DX+eR vs 2 es, but I guess that has been addressed!

[James Stephens]

Hi all, 

 

I haven't tried the filters yet myself but I am excited by all the buzz!

 

There's a couple of ways I can see that the DX filters could improve things for folks. One would be that they block RFI from SMPS LAN equipment making it to the endpoint directly. But if you have an ER directly upstream of your endpoint isn't this RFI blocked by the ER?

 

Most likely I am thinking they help prevent the radiation of RFI from ethernet cables that is then (for some folks) being picked up by audio cables. 

 

Wouldn't JSSG ethernet cables also prevent this since they prevent the radiation of both high and low frequency EMI

 from the cables?

 

I might have something incorrect above. I don't have PhD in this stuff! There might also be other factors at play .. so I'd be interested to hear from the experts!
 

My LAN equipment is all in the basement and there are no audio cables in the vicinity of the ethernet cables. Plus I am using a few JSSG ethernet cables in my basement already. Also I have a fiber run from an OM in my basement to the ER in my listening room where the only Ethernet cable is the one on the B-side of my ER so there's a few potential reasons to think the DX filters might not be effective for me.

 

Best,

James

[Johnnydev]

Have the DX connected today, unfortunately they are for Europe including shipping and tax twice as expensive.
And unfortunately the power of the afterdark giesemann EVA went off by accident and I have to start the burn-in process again. So unfortunately I cannot report an SQ difference. Now I had already done very well from modem and router to my first EtherRegen, but will let everything play in again and will remove them in a week or two and report any difference.

[PYP]

2 hours ago, LewinskiH01 said:

 

Interesting! So the DX also has a positive impact in a system like your upstream from fiber and two eRs in series. I was wondering about DX+eR vs 2 es, but I guess that has been addressed!

I was skeptical that the impact would be noticeable, but as they settle in the impact has increased.  It is still too early to tell the ultimate impact or whether they will add any anomalies to the sound, but so far I am greatly enjoying the increased solidity, depth and nuances.  It isn't subtle.  I think a week will be sufficient to hear what they do in my setup.     

[R1200CL]

13 hours ago, roman410 said:

I found only two Halo rj45 connectors soldered to simple board with traces inside, no additional visible parts I was very skeptical about improvements.

 

Pictures ?

[roman410]

1 hour ago, R1200CL said:

Pictures ?

There you go. 

[simon_pepper]

Interesting - attached is the datasheet for the Halo FastJacks - is this device just two of these back to back?
Is the filtering purely just based on the magnetics included in these?

 

fastjack-gigabit.pdf

[Rsbrsvp]

Uptone should include a pair of DX's with the ER purchase.

 

Wholesale cost to them for huge quantities should be negligible..

 

They could always up their price $20 for their cost.  Nobody will complain when they here the results.

[Nikko1960]

Has anyone tried placing a DX between modem and router?

[MarkusBarkus]

48 minutes ago, simon_pepper said:

Is the filtering purely just based on the magnetics included in these?

...and if so, is that the core effect of daisy-chaining multiple switches? Not speaking of the eReGen which has other enhancing functions by design.

[Stevem324]

Based on the feedback here, I just ordered a pair of the DX filters to go between my WiFi extender and my OM Deluxe.  So far, all the advice that I've received here has elevated my system to levels far beyond what I had before coming here.  The ER, AfterDark Queen OCXO clock and the OM Deluxe all powered by LPS from Uptone and Paul Hynes have made a serious impact on my system.  The information shared on this forum is incredibly helpful.

 

Are users of the DX filters using the supplied short ethernet cables to integrate the filters into your system?

[Tokyokyoto]

If anyone has the desire to take out a gizmo (or two) to hear what the filters bring on their own I think that could be interested.  I have two sets coming on Wednesday and I will try and advise, assuming that they make a difference in my system.

[PYP]

1 hour ago, simon_pepper said:

Interesting - attached is the datasheet for the Halo FastJacks - is this device just two of these back to back?
Is the filtering purely just based on the magnetics included in these?

Beyond my knowledge, but DX Engineering does say their device is "patent pending," and I don't see how that would be case if they simply use off-the-shelf connectors.  The connectors BTW grip very well. 

[PYP]

6 minutes ago, Stevem324 said:

Are users of the DX filters using the supplied short ethernet cables to integrate the filters into your system?

I am.  Both the cable connectors and the filter connectors work better than most connectors.  

[PYP]

1 hour ago, Rsbrsvp said:

Uptone should include a pair of DX's with the ER purchase.

 

Wholesale cost to them for huge quantities should be negligible..

 

They could always up their price $20 for their cost.  Nobody will complain when they here the results.

Are the effects of the filters increasing as they settle in?  Mine are.  

[Mouna]

they work and incredibly well - for little investment just try them out - nobody can tell you how it sounds in your system - how much have we spent in expensive gear without the effect in relation to the money spent - this is a no risk story...

as is ERegen + daisy chained ERs...got my second today....burns in....connection between the two ERs via fiber works flawlessly....

they will later connect to the double buffalso switch from Afterdark - just wsiting for the PSU with 5A from Adrian to do this...

 

A loving thank you to you all who are contributing their findings - I love it!!!!!

 

easy to forget listening to the results - almost no time for it regarding the many changes through the recommendations here - the burning ins take most of the time....funny- or?