Everything sounds the same

[esldude]

55 minutes ago, Sonicularity said:

 

What kind of tape did you use?

 

I recommend a good pressure sensitive adhesive with plasticizer resistance.   Unless you never listen to rock music and have no clue that there is a band called The Who, then I would suggest something with a low-surface energy material.  If it doesn't cost over $100/meter, it is crap.

My approach is a little bit different though yours has merit.  

 

I use the permanent VHB tape which is stronger than most metal panels.  That is why doing the mapping to find the perfect spot is so important. 

 

What we are dealing with is molecular vibration.  A real phenomenon no voo doo here. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_vibration

 

I use the infrared, Raman and UV spectroscopy to find the right point.  The multi in multi-modal mapping.  

 

Here is a good illustration of what you are dealing with here. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Asymmetrical_stretching.gif

 

Now it might seem surprising the $20 bill is the thing for damping this.  But they are a unique combination of linen and cotton fibers.  I'm engaged in on going research to determine if the old bills are superior to the newer bills that have the anti-counterfeiting threads and the magnetic ink.  I suspect those upset slightly the perfect balance needed to dissipate the unwanted energy.  So there is room for possible future improvement.  

 

My apologies to the OP for my overly rational post.  I can start a new thread if the OP wishes. 

 

 

[Ralf11]

I suggest doing the mapping with lidar.

 

Also, the Trumpfk $666 dollar bill will give much better results.  

[marce]

12 minutes ago, firedog said:

And nothing I wrote contradicts your position. It makes no sense every time someone asks about cables to write the same endless arguments over and over again.It’s a topic that’s been beaten to death hundreds of times here.  That’s why I suggested Mansr, Sal, and others write a sticky thread with their position and simply refer people to it. Or set up a cable debate thread and debate it there. Refer newbies to it. No reason to continually hijckack multiple threads Into  the same argument. Especially when the OP in the other thread was obviously aware of the argument and specifically asked that his question not be turned into such a debate. 

Isn't the whole point of forums debate.

It may help here to look up the etymology of forum its had a quite definite meaning in the English language for a few years now.

Is it such a crime to sprout the endless arguments against the endless anecdotal evidence, and further looking round very few threads are polluted as many put it and most OT arguments quite often start with the regular vernacular accusation of being a troll, and hence the debate spirals down to the usual arguments and thus audio repreduction moves forward in skips and hops...?

[mansr]

7 minutes ago, esldude said:

newer bills that have the anti-counterfeiting threads and the magnetic ink

Always pay for audio products in cash with demagnetised banknotes.

[wgscott]

21 minutes ago, mansr said:

Always pay for audio products in cash with demagnetised banknotes.

 

Just because the B-field is zero doesn't mean you got rid of the magnetic vector potential.

[Allan F]

2 hours ago, gmgraves said:

 If I say cables have no sound, those who believe that there is need to voice their opinion that I'm wrong, and why. It is then up to the newbie, given two sides of an argument to then go off on his own realizing that there are possibly two equally sincere points of view on the subject and research the topic on his own.  

 

With respect, George, the reasoning above has absolutely no application to a thread that is started by an OP for the specific purpose of asking members to share their experiences comparing different brands/models of a particular component or cable type. All the more so when the OP requests that naysayers not participate and to cease and desist when they ignore that request.

 

[Ralf11]

6 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

Just because the B-field is zero doesn't mean you got rid of the magnetic vector potential.

 

we need a way to put little arrows on top of letters

[Sonicularity]

26 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

we need a way to put little arrows on top of letters

 

Right, we should be able to put vector arrows over every character, including an iotified big yus.

[gmgraves]

3 hours ago, firedog said:

And nothing I wrote contradicts your position. It makes no sense every time someone asks about cables to write the same endless arguments over and over again.It’s a topic that’s been beaten to death hundreds of times here.  That’s why I suggested Mansr, Sal, and others write a sticky thread with their position and simply refer people to it. Or set up a cable debate thread and debate it there. Refer newbies to it. No reason to continually hijckack multiple threads Into  the same argument. Especially when the OP in the other thread was obviously aware of the argument and specifically asked that his question not be turned into such a debate. 

Good Idea, but it seems to me that these threads invariably take on a lifetime of their own, they wander off topic (not pointing any fingers, I'm as guilty as the next person on that account!) and it seems almost impossible to get them back on topic (until Chris shuts them down, of course). People talk about what they're passionate about, it seems and there are 4 or 5 subjects that this crew circles back to time and time again. I doin't see how we're going to stop it. Chris can't monitor every topic continually, shutting the topic down at the first incipient signs of a cable debate, or whatever raises people's passions.

[Sonicularity]

1 hour ago, gmgraves said:

Good Idea, but it seems to me that these threads invariably take on a lifetime of their own, they wander off topic (not pointing any fingers, I'm as guilty as the next person on that account!) and it seems almost impossible to get them back on topic (until Chris shuts them down, of course). People talk about what they're passionate about, it seems and there are 4 or 5 subjects that this crew circles back to time and time again. I doin't see how we're going to stop it. Chris can't monitor every topic continually, shutting the topic down at the first incipient signs of a cable debate, or whatever raises people's passions.

 

That is what makes forums such as these entertaining to many readers.  If every topic found common ground there would be nine posts no more than a couple of pages in length with some discussion and a final agreement that all would accept.  That site would die into obscurity.

 

There are certain groups of thought consisting of people that will never completely agree with one another on certain topics, but the occasional interjection can still be valuable and perhaps even educational to either side.  I believe we can police ourselves with a few exceptions that may require more stringent enforcement.   It would be a shame to see aggressive moderation eliminate any opportunity for a critical discourse.  

[MetalNuts]

I wonder the reason of posting a thread in a forum if it is not for discussion and expression.  Is it a propaganda who try to brainwash others?

[Nordkapp]

Quite possibly the best thread ever. Seriously. 

[Nordkapp]

25 minutes ago, MetalNuts said:

I wonder the reason of posting a thread in a forum if it is not for discussion and expression.  Is it a propaganda who try to brainwash others?

Yes

[fas42]

10 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

Only true after Frank has "sorted out" all the bugs in both.

 

In fact, I use a debugged $5 clock radio to decide which recordings are good enough to keep listening to ...

[kumakuma]

32 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

In fact, I use a debugged $5 clock radio to decide which recordings are good enough to keep listening to ...

 

I thought there were no bad recordings with your equipment.

[fas42]

7 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

I thought there were no bad recordings with your equipment.

 

Ahh, but I may decide it's too "audiophile"  - and put it in the back pile... . 

[audiobomber]

This thread is proof that you don't even need an actual topic to start an argument in an audio forum.

[kumakuma]

8 minutes ago, audiobomber said:

This thread is proof that you don't even need an actual topic to start an argument in an audio forum.

 

I disagree.

[Ralf11]

even if everything doesn't sound the same, the song remains the same

[esldude]

You are both wrong!

 

1 hour ago, audiobomber said:

This thread is proof that you don't even need an actual topic to start an argument in an audio forum.

 

1 hour ago, kumakuma said:

I disagree.

[firedog]

5 hours ago, MetalNuts said:

I wonder the reason of posting a thread in a forum if it is not for discussion and expression.  Is it a propaganda who try to brainwash others?

Just because someone posts a question it doesn't mean he's interested in anything somehow related. There's also a value in having a focussed discussion.
I'm normally fine with discussion and even meandering, but in the particular case in question the OP specifically said he didn't want to get into the cable debate, but wanted others' suggestions about cables. The OP wanted some suggestions of how different cables might sound. 

 

If I come onto  a food forum and ask for directions about how to fry chicken, it's rude to start lecturing me about why I should be a vegetarian. Do egos have to be so big and unrestrained online that that isn't obvious? That debate shouldn't be in that thread. 

I'm not sure how you jump from there to "propaganda" and attempts to "brainwash".  What should be common courtesy isn't brainwashing. Adults who feel passionately about a topic should be mature enough to deal with the fact that the OP isn't interested in the cable debate and refrain from turning his thread into something the opposite of what he wanted. They can have the debate somewhere else on the site. How is that brainwashing?

[mansr]

5 hours ago, kumakuma said:

I disagree.

That isn't an argument. That's just contradiction.

[mansr]

2 hours ago, firedog said:

If I come onto  a food forum and ask for directions about how to fry chicken, it's rude to start lecturing me about why I should be a vegetarian. Do egos have to be so big and unrestrained online that that isn't obvious? That debate shouldn't be in that thread. 

Flawed analogy. The USB cable thread was more akin to someone going to a food forum and asking which brand of salt tastes better, the $100/kg or the $500/kg. When someone points out that the $1/kg salt is exactly the same, he gets angry.

[firedog]

16 minutes ago, mansr said:

Flawed analogy. The USB cable thread was more akin to someone going to a food forum and asking which brand of salt tastes better, the $100/kg or the $500/kg. When someone points out that the $1/kg salt is exactly the same, he gets angry.

No. Not when the OP specifically said he didn't want the cable debate and posters telling him there was no difference.
Is your ego so big you feel you must answer, even when specifically asked not to? 

And your analogy is wrong. The OP clearly stated he wanted to hear about the different sounds of USB cables, so he at least thinks he hears differences. It doesn't matter whether you think he can hear them or not. It's irrelevant to his experience and question.
 

As far as salt, different types of salt can have different trace elements, and different grain/crystal sizes. This can make a difference in how their taste is perceived, and how they and their aroma are released into the food, which also changes the taste. Are you not aware that foods can be perceived as different tasting for no other reason than the size of them on the tongue? That affects aspects of taste such as how fast our saliva reacts with the food and how the aromas are released. Both of those change our subjective perception of taste. 

Another failed cooking comparison from you. You apparently don't know much about cooking. I'd suggest you look for a different type of analogy next time. 
 

 

 

[firedog]

19 minutes ago, mansr said:

Flawed analogy. The USB cable thread was more akin to someone going to a food forum and asking which brand of salt tastes better, the $100/kg or the $500/kg. When someone points out that the $1/kg salt is exactly the same, he gets angry.

Anyway, for you, I'll change it. If I go onto a food forum and ask about how to cook fried chicken, and specifically state that I'm only interested in hearing about frying methods, and not about other aspects of  fried chicken, such as how some think it is unhealthy or it's not the most tasty way to cook chicken.
The it is rude and silly to start telling me that fried chicken isn't good, isn't healthy, and reasons I shouldn't make it. If you want to do that, then start an anti-fried foods thread.