Everything sounds the same

[mansr]

16 minutes ago, firedog said:

As far as salt, different types of salt can have different trace elements, and different grain/crystal sizes.

Are you suggesting the water in the food remembers the size of salt grains after they have dissolved.

[PeterSt]

2 minutes ago, mansr said:

Are you suggesting the water in the food remembers the size of salt grains after they have dissolved.

 

Where is the suggestion that there's water in the food involved and that the salt dissolves (fully) in the first place ?

[firedog]

7 minutes ago, mansr said:

Are you suggesting the water in the food remembers the size of salt grains after they have dissolved.

No. You apparently have little idea of how taste works. A simple physical change (not chemical and not ingredients) in the size or shape of food can change how we perceive the taste. This is well established.

To be brief, it's related to relative surface area, how saliva (which is part of food digestion) interacts with food, and how aromas are released (smell is thought to be as much as 80%of what we call taste). 

So specifically with salt  as an example; typical table salt can have a different taste than a much larger grained salt such as kosher salt. Both are chemically identical, but the different physical properties can change how they taste to us. And even when cooked, it depends at what point in the cooking the salt is added. Some recipes specifically call for the salt to be of a certain type or to be added at a certain point in the preparation. That changes our perception of the taste of the salt. 

Friendly suggestion: give it up. You blew it trying to dig your way out of a false baking comment not too long ago, and now you are trying it again with cooking. Kitchen skills apparently aren't a strong part of your knowledge base. Try analogies in area where you know what you are talking about. 

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, firedog said:

So specifically with salt  as an example; typical table salt can have a different taste than a much larger grained salt such as kosher salt. Both are chemically identical, but the different physical properties can change how they taste to us.

That is true provided the grains enter the mouth while solid. If they are dissolved in food during its preparation, there will be no difference.

 

5 minutes ago, firedog said:

Try analogies in area where you know what you are talking about.

You started it with your flawed chicken example.

 

Your insults are unwelcome and quite ironic given the context of this thread. Now, please go away.

[PeterSt]

9 minutes ago, mansr said:

If they are dissolved in food during its preparation, there will be no difference.

 

Wrong. The spread in the food is very different for the larger grains vs the smaller, no matter the total weight is equal.

Indeed you are no cook. Nobody cares. But of course you are telling the cook that you know better.

Good thread.

[firedog]

Just now, PeterSt said:

 

Wrong. The spread in the food is very different for the larger grains vs the smaller, no matter the total weight is equal.

Indeed you are no cook. Nobody cares. But of course you are telling the cook that you know better.

Good thread.

Absolutely correct.

[mansr]

7 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

Wrong. The spread in the food is very different for the larger grains vs the smaller, no matter the total weight is equal.

Are you seriously claiming that if 1 gram of salt is dissolved in 1 litre of water and stirred, there will be some difference depending on the grain size of the salt? Do you also believe in homoeopathy?

[firedog]

20 minutes ago, mansr said:

That is true provided the grains enter the mouth while solid. If they are dissolved in food during its preparation, there will be no difference.

 

You started it with your flawed chicken example.

 

Your insults are unwelcome and quite ironic given the context of this thread. Now, please go away.

Rich, coming from you as probably the most established serial insulter on the site. 

What we see in both the cable thread and this one is that you feel compelled to argue and be right, even when you clearly aren't. You did the same thing before with your incorrect cake comment. 

Have you ever noticed I don't argue with you about electronics and engineering? Because clearly your knowledge is greater than mine. 

But also clearly, you use false food analogies based on ignorance, and are unable to admit that you are wrong. And then you say "go away" because you don't know what you are talking about and can't deal with being called on it. So you can dish it out,  but can't take it. 

And as far as the topic at hand, you still are unable to give me a cogent reason why it's so imperative to derail a thread like the other posters USB query. Is your ego so fragile that you can't live without telling him how he's wrong, even when he's specifically asked not to be drawn into that discussion? 

[firedog]

Just now, mansr said:

Are you seriously claiming that if 1 gram of salt is dissolved in 1 litre of water and stirred, there will be some difference depending on the grain size of the salt? Do you also believe in homoeopathy?

Recipe calls for 1 gram of salt. 
I add one gram of fine grained table salt in at the beginning of the cooking process.

Make simultaneously another batch and add one gram of kosher salt in 2 minutes before the dish is plated and served. 
In both cases the salt is dissolved. 
The two dishes don't taste the same. 
Can you figure out why? 

[firedog]

Hey, I don't care about your childish outbursts. Keep answering. I'll  answer back just to annoy you, b/c you've asked for it. 

[christopher3393]

"To the realists. - You sober people who feel armed against passion and phantastical conceptions and would like to make your emptiness a matter of pride and an ornament - you call yourself realists and insinuate that the world really is the way it appears to you: before you alone reality stands unveiled, and you yourselves are perhaps the hest part of it - oh, you beloved images of Sais! 1 But aren't you too in your unveiled condition still most passionate and dark creatures, compared to fish, and still all too similar to an artist in love? And what is 'reality' to an artist in love! You still carry around the valuations of things that originate in the passions and loves of former centuries! Your sobriety still contains a secret and inextirpable drunkenness! Your love of 'reality', for example - oh, that is an old, ancient 'love'! In every experience, in every sense impression there is a piece of this old love; and some fantasy, some prejudice, some irrationality, some ignorance, some fear, and whatever else, has worked on and contributed to it. That mountain over there! That cloud over there! What is 'real' about that? Subtract just once the phantasm and the whole human contribution from it, you sober ones! Yes, if you could do that! If you could forget your background, your past, your nursery school - all of your humanity and animality! There is no 'reality' for us - and not for you either, you sober ones - we are not nearly as strange to one another as you think, and perhaps our good will to transcend drunkenness is just as respectable as your belief that you are altogether incapable of drunkenness."

 

Nietzsche,  The Gay Science, Bk. 2, 57

 

 

 

[Nordkapp]

This entire thread was intended to be a satirical joke, nothing more if I'm correct.  My God............

[mansr]

16 minutes ago, Nordkapp said:

This entire thread was intended to be a satirical joke, nothing more if I'm correct.  My God............

Of course it was, and of course the usual culprits had to go and ruin the fun.

[christopher3393]

18 minutes ago, Nordkapp said:

This entire thread was intended to be a satirical joke, nothing more if I'm correct.  My God............

 

?  I thought it was an attempt to mimic musical phasing:

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/42/Rhythm_phasing_sixteen_parts_with_harmonic_series_pitches.ogv/Rhythm_phasing_sixteen_parts_with_harmonic_series_pitches.ogv.360p.webm

[Richard Dale]

17 minutes ago, Nordkapp said:

This entire thread was intended to be a satirical joke, nothing more if I'm correct.  My God............

No I don't think it was intended to be a satirical joke, it was making a point about the discussion on another thread.

[PeterSt]

1 hour ago, mansr said:

Are you seriously claiming that if 1 gram of salt is dissolved in 1 litre of water and stirred

 

You seem to have the disorder of forming your own prerequisites so you next can claim to be correct on that. If you are interested I can consult Google for the name of that disorder. However, I rather leave that to the real MDs.

Very good that you are clear about such a prerequisite this time, because in other occasions you just claim to be right without giving us this context.

Good thread.

 

[PeterSt]

4 minutes ago, Richard Dale said:

No I don't think it was intended to be a satirical joke,

 

I am sure.

[marce]

Being an Audiophile is no laughing matter, one cannot joke, the road to audio nirvana is a hard and unforgiving road, not only do you have to fret at the horrendous sound your system produces, but constantly be upgrading to get the next day and night improvement, you have to turn your back on conventional physics and be solid in your beliefs, especially in cables, whilst those clever sods use their measurements, knowledge and physics to pull you down...

Oh how hard is the path I have chosen.

[mansr]

7 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

You seem to have the disorder of forming your own prerequisites so you next can claim to be correct on that.

Referring to yourself in the second person again, I see.

[Nordkapp]

19 minutes ago, Richard Dale said:

No I don't think it was intended to be a satirical joke, it was making a point about the discussion on another thread.

Actually it was. I am well aware of the stupid USB cable debate raging on.

[pkane2001]

Getting back on topic, can anyone suggest a better power cord to use with my $5 clock radio?

 

[wwaldmanfan]

3 hours ago, mansr said:

Are you seriously claiming that if 1 gram of salt is dissolved in 1 litre of water and stirred, there will be some difference depending on the grain size of the salt? Do you also believe in homoeopathy?

There are a lot of different types of "salt" on the market. When one uses it as a condiment directly on food, the size of the salt crystals does change the experience of eating that dish. There's ordinary table salt, there's large flake sea salt like fleur du sel or Maldon, there's large grain pretzel salt, Hawaiian salt, etc. The differences change the way the salt melts on the tongue and releases its flavor, even adding crunch to the dish. When dissolved in water to boil pasta or whatever, these crystal variations are irrelevant. So, you are both right.

 

When threads like this one devolve into arguing about arguing, it's time to stop. I don't come here as much as I used to, because I don't want to wade through so much pointless stuff. I used to learn something here, now, less so.

[mansr]

3 minutes ago, wwaldmanfan said:

When one uses it as a condiment directly on food, the size of the salt crystals does change the experience of eating that dish.

I'm not disputing that. I even keep both course and fine salt in my cupboard. Still, you can get salt with just about any grain size and shape for a very modest amount of money, or you can pay through your nose for what amounts to the same thing. Just like with cables.

[pkane2001]

4 minutes ago, wwaldmanfan said:

There are a lot of different types of "salt" on the market. When one uses it as a condiment directly on food, the size of the salt crystals does change the experience of eating that dish.

 

I'm struggling to follow. Is "salt" a euphemism for a "usb cable"? And does "food" stand for "DAC"? "Eating that dish" is what, "listening"? Help me out here.

 

[mansr]

6 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

I'm struggling to follow. Is "salt" a euphemism for a "usb cable"? And does "food" stand for "DAC"? "Eating that dish" is what, "listening"? Help me out here.

And "size of crystals" is sample rate.