MQA The Truth lies Somewhere in the Middle

[jabbr]

27 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Well with 17K posts here, you do have some background in artificial intelligence.

 

He’s got actual ... you’d find out if you read only 5% ... and using the words doesn’t make it artificially actual  

 

He’s just some “Jud” sitting in his new porch ... But you can tell by what he writes.

[kumakuma]

27 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Well with 17K posts here, you do have some background in artificial intelligence.

 

Not much intelligence is needed to see the holes in your arguments.

[rickca]

6 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Based on what I am hearing, it is likely to succeed.  We will see.

No consultant ever predicts project failure.

[rickca]

10 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

MQA and its ecosystem partners have to do a good job of marketing the value of MQA to consumers.

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Well with 17K posts here, you do have some background in artificial intelligence.

 

Wow. I highly recommend understanding the target of your comments before speaking. 

[rickca]

10 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

They are more likely to look to the labels who have tested MQA and signed off on it.

Signed off that MQA does what?  Gives you the sound of the studio, what the artist intended?  I bet you can't find two guys in the studio who agree on what sounds best, never mind whether MQA gets you closer.

[FredericV]

Still waiting for an answer from LeeS:
 

 

[firedog]

11 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

The same here.  No financial interest, investment, or any compensation in MQA at all.  I've just heard a proper demo and find it to enhance good recordings.  And as a hirez fan, I think it is providing a path to more hirez.

"proper demo"? according to whom? You've repeatedly refrained from describing it so anyone could judge if it was properly done. Based on your track record, odds are it wasn't.
And did your "proper demo" consist only of hand picked "white glove" MQA tracks that have nothing to do with what we hear from Tidal?
So why should anyone take your claims about the sonic superiority of MQA seriously? 

Lots of audiophiles have done proper blind comparisons of MQA tracks from Tidal and haven't found any consistent sonic reason to prefer MQA. If it is so superior, the consensus would clearly favor MQA. 

[firedog]

On 10/23/2018 at 7:30 AM, Lee Scoggins said:

The theory is that with MQA, you establish a higher pricing tier on the streaming service. With the extra revenue, the labels can pay more to the artist.

 

Again, you keep saying this and you ignore the obvious: why do you need MQA for this? You can have a tiered streaming service with non-MQA hi-res. Oh wait, Qobuz is already doing this......

[MetalNuts]

44 minutes ago, firedog said:

 

Again, you keep saying this and you ignore the obvious: why do you need MQA for this? You can have a tiered streaming service with non-MQA hi-res. Oh wait, Qobuz is already doing this......

 

I am afraid that "why do you need MQA" is not right, he needs MQA for reasons that he cannot disclose but I absolute agree  if it is "why do WE need MQA".  I am not the musician/singer who desperately prays to have a fair share if MQA becomes the industry leader or monopolizes the industry.

[Shadders]

8 hours ago, copy_of_a said:

This Lee Scoggins guy ....It‘s obvious that he has little to no knowledge about audio technology, nor about the market (making money of music products),.......It‘s beyond me why so many serious and educated people try to discuss the same things over and over again here with such a stupid, poor person.

Hi,

This is the crux of the issue. Lee persistently misunderstands everything technical, but all the time, MQA is being discussed. Lee's job is to promote MQA (virally), and is doing a great job here. I think he knows very well that being stupid is working in his favour. (no offence @Lee Scoggins).

 

Regards,

Shadders.

[rwdvis]

14 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

The same here.  No financial interest, investment, or any compensation in MQA at all.

Are you capable of constructing a complete, coherent sentence, or was this deliberate?

[John_Atkinson]

19 hours ago, Shadders said:

As an aside, i pay £10 for a newly released CD. It probably costs 50pence to make in its entirety. Why are the labels losing money on this ?

 

As the proprietor of a small record label, I can assure you that other than bestsellers, the price of the physical disc is a relatively small fraction of the cost to release a recording. See my essay on this subject at  https://www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/578/index.html

where I wrote "when you factor in copyright fees, artist royalties, amortization of the project's upfront cost over the expected sales volume, and marketing and promotion costs, the manufacturing cost of the disc is basically insignificant."

 

John Atkinson

Editor, Stereophile

[jabbr]

2 hours ago, Shadders said:

 

This is the crux of the issue. Lee persistently misunderstands everything technical, but all the time, MQA is being discussed. Lee's job is to promote MQA (virally), and is doing a great job here. I think he knows very well that being stupid is working in his favour. (no offence @Lee Scoggins).

 

 

There is the possibility that “he” is simply a marketing bot designed to promote discussion. 

 

One of the characteristics of bots is that they don’t directly respond to complex points or questions and merely regurgitate their preprogrammed knowledge base.

[Shadders]

3 minutes ago, jabbr said:

 

There is the possibility that “he” is simply a marketing bot designed to promote discussion. 

Completely agree. He is like the terminator who didn't realise he was a terminator in "Terminator Salvation".

 

Probably has one of those reel to reel data tapes in a flap in his head, or back, that may need changing.

[jabbr]

17 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

The same here.  No financial interest, investment, or any compensation in MQA at all.  I've just heard a proper demo and find it to enhance good recordings.  And as a hirez fan, I think it is providing a path to more hirez.

 

Fake news. The fact that you sign a human name means nothing here on the Internet. I don’t judge you by your name or website or the credentials you supply. That is or could all be fake. I judge based on the intelligence of your posts and the ability to respond to questions. I smell agenda — yours or who ever is programming you. 

 

( @John_Atkinson since we know you are real  and I’m professionally interested in web publishing issues, metadata & credentials —- an example of why *on the Internet* @Archimago has more credentials than @Lee Scoggins ... despite the former being a pseudonym — he has a blog that has published consistently on a number of topics — a consistent viewpoint that I can either agree or disagree with but I don’t sense a hidden agenda — nor do I think you have a hidden agenda btw)

 

[rickca]

18 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

And as a hirez fan, I think it is providing a path to more hirez.

You've made this point repeatedly.  Is MQA making more 'hirez' available to TIDAL than the labels are providing to Qobuz in actual hirez?

[Jud]

3 minutes ago, jabbr said:

 

Fake news. The fact that you sign a human name means nothing here on the Internet. I don’t judge you by your name or website or the credentials you supply. That is or could all be fake. I judge based on the intelligence of your posts and the ability to respond to questions. I smell agenda — yours or who ever is programming you. 

 

 

I don’t think there’s an outside agenda being imposed.  Mr. Scoggins has knowledge and experience in the field of audio.  He’s simply formed an opinion on various matters connected with MQA that is more favorable than most folks here (including me) believe the available evidence warrants.

 

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/author/leescoggins/

 

[christopher3393]

15 minutes ago, jabbr said:

 

Fake news. The fact that you sign a human name means nothing here on the Internet. I don’t judge you by your name or website or the credentials you supply. That is or could all be fake. I judge based on the intelligence of your posts and the ability to respond to questions. I smell agenda — yours or who ever is programming you. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

I don’t think there’s an outside agenda being imposed.  Mr. Scoggins has knowledge and experience in the field of audio.  He’s simply formed an opinion on various matters connected with MQA that is more favorable than most folks here (including me) believe the available evidence warrants.

 

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/author/leescoggins/

 

 

Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.   ?

[jabbr]

7 minutes ago, christopher3393 said:

 

 

Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.   ?

Brilliant! See, you aren’t a bot  Bots don’t do that ... yet

[jabbr]

27 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

I don’t think there’s an outside agenda being imposed.  Mr. Scoggins has knowledge and experience in the field of audio.  He’s simply formed an opinion on various matters connected with MQA that is more favorable than most folks here (including me) believe the available evidence warrants.

 

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/author/leescoggins/

 

 

I know that you are trying to get a job  

 

Thats all self-published info.

 

(I’ve been doing actual AI on and off for 40 years, and have had a professional interest in metadata and Web identification — my friends thought I was wacky 10 years ago when I refused to use Facebook and warned of the dangers ... never predicted this though ? ... in any case credentials on the Web and chains of trust are far more interesting to me than yet another lossy compression format)

 

As far as making recordings sound better, that’s DSP and we should see many advancements in the future.

 

This thread is all about who should we trust — a couple of guys in suits who pound their fists into their applesauce, or someone who publishes measurements on many devices and formats on a blog? I don’t know those guys, nor would I trust them. A graph can be validated regardless of its origin.

 

That’s what this entire thread is about.

[Shadders]

58 minutes ago, jabbr said:

This thread is all about who should we trust — a couple of guys in suits who pound their fists into their applesauce, or someone who publishes measurements on many devices and formats on a blog? I don’t know those guys, nor would I trust them. A graph can be validated regardless of its origin.

Hi,

Yes - the MQA people at the RMAF 18 behaviour shows that they are reacting in such a way, that what was being stated is a problem for them.

 

If what is discussed on this site was not a problem, then they would not even bother turning up here, or at RMAF 18, or any other forum. They certainly have not refuted technically the claims made by people on this site.

 

Regards,

Shadders.

[mcgillroy]

21 hours ago, mcgillroy said:

 

Trying to narrow down the definition of DRM to copy-protection is part of MQA's marketing spiel. And you are playing along.

 

Such a definition does not adhere to the technological and legal definitions of DRM accepted in the industry, by IP-laywers and in academia. 

 

It's as intellectually dishonest as to relabel accepted technical terms like dispersion into "blur" or lossless into "lossless in the air."

 

Marketing is marketing. But if you try to hide your intentions behind semantic operations of that magnitude you have something profound to hide. You are also underestimating your audience.

 

So again Lee: is MQA DRM or not? Simple question, simple answer.

 

Thank you.

@Lee Scoggins I see you answered a host of other questions here in the past 24h. You choose to ignore this one.

 

Would you please tell us if MQA is DRM or not?!

 

Thank you.

[Rt66indierock]

3 hours ago, jabbr said:

 

There is the possibility that “he” is simply a marketing bot designed to promote discussion. 

 

One of the characteristics of bots is that they don’t directly respond to complex points or questions and merely regurgitate their preprogrammed knowledge base.

 

You are on to something. Lee is a real person in Atlanta. I met him at RMAF Saturday night. He is part of the public accounting / consulting world focused on artificial intelligence (McKinsey, KPMG, Accenture). He would have access to chat and marketing bots and the posts on Computer Audiophile are these. Or these are his real thoughts and he can't respond well to the questions we pose to him.

 

A heads I win tails you lose kind of thing. 

[Rt66indierock]

2 hours ago, christopher3393 said:

 

 

Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.   ?

 

That middle ground is Lee created a bot based on his knowledge to  post on Computer Audiophile.