MQA The Truth lies Somewhere in the Middle

[Lee Scoggins]

1 hour ago, Anodyne Jones said:

I for one, will continue to support labels and vendors that produce TRUE HIREZ music..including Intervention Records, Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions..as well as artists that offer direct downloads of 24 bit PCM.

 

So will I and Shane is a friend of mine as is Chad.  But if we only have today's niche  hirez market then the labels will never be excited about releasing hirez.  It's just not big enough.  The value of MQA is the ability to address other issues for the labels and streamers to create value and, hopefully, establish tiered pricing...which all agree will be of benefit to the artist.

[ronfint]

8 minutes ago, Shadders said:

Old bloke (80 years old) goes to the football stadium (soccer for the US people) to watch his favourite team who he has not seen in 40 years.

 

Blah, blah ...

 

This site has seen far too much ageism over the last few weeks. It seems to me that it is time to stop it.

[Ralf11]

2 hours ago, KeenObserver said:

In my "ecosystem" plague is not over the top language.

 

it is premature to call MQA a plague, as it has not reached epidemic proportions

 

I prefer "parasite"

[Shadders]

1 minute ago, ronfint said:

 

This site has seen far too much ageism over the last few weeks. It seems to me that it is time to stop it.

I bet you look like your avatar picture in real life....

[Thuaveta]

8 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Straw man. No one is arguing that the labels have not been bad actors.

 

By implying that, by the sole effect of adoption of the Magical Quacks Abound format, they'll all of a sudden stop behaving in a predatory fashion (and re-distribute to the artists), you are.

[Anodyne Jones]

6 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

So will I and Shane is a friend of mine as is Chad.  But if we only have today's niche  hirez market then the labels will never be excited about releasing hirez.  It's just not big enough.  The value of MQA is the ability to address other issues for the labels and streamers to create value and, hopefully, establish tiered pricing...which all agree will be of benefit to the artist.

Your answers are incredibly lightweight, without substance, and are pure blather, in my estimation.

 

With "Friends" like you, who needs enemies.

[The Computer Audiophile]

7 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

So will I and Shane is a friend of mine as is Chad.  But if we only have today's niche  hirez market then the labels will never be excited about releasing hirez.  It's just not big enough.  The value of MQA is the ability to address other issues for the labels and streamers to create value and, hopefully, establish tiered pricing...which all agree will be of benefit to the artist.

Why is MQA needed to do any of this?

[Anodyne Jones]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Why is MQA needed to do any of this?

Clearly it is not, but sit back, make a cup of coffee, and the next blathering, circular, lightweight post will appear...

[kumakuma]

10 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

So will I and Shane is a friend of mine as is Chad.  But if we only have today's niche  hirez market then the labels will never be excited about releasing hirez.  It's just not big enough.  The value of MQA is the ability to address other issues for the labels and streamers to create value and, hopefully, establish tiered pricing...which all agree will be of benefit to the artist.

 

I don't agree with this.

 

I would be very surprised, based on past history, if even a small fraction of this incremental revenue made it to the artist.

 

[KeenObserver]

WOW!

 

Let's review the buzzwords:

Lossless

Deblurring

Correct Mastering errors

etc, etc, etc.

 

AND NOW:  "Of Benefit To The Artist"

 

Will it never end?

[Anodyne Jones]

Just now, KeenObserver said:

WOW!

 

Let's review the buzzwords:

Lossless

Deblurring

Correct Mastering errors

etc, etc, etc.

 

AND NOW:  "Of Benefit To The Artist"

 

Will it never end?

nope. they will find more things to pull out their behind.

[KeenObserver]

I have to go find my muck boots if I'm going to stick around here.

[Ralf11]

for the threads with pro-Monkey Quality Adulterated posters, I suggest a bio-hazard suit and a P4 containment facility

[Jud]

37 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Straw man. No one is arguing that the labels have not been bad actors.

 

The theory is that if you give them more money they will act better?

[adamdea]

3 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

It's sort of a push/pull situation.  One key (pull) is for there to be consumers who want the full unfold quality.  The second key (push) is streaming services offering it.  Then it become ubiquitous and we see how many consumers want to get the higher quality tier.

 

Like I mentioned earlier: it has to offer value to everyone in the ecosystem for it to work: labels, streamers, consumers, and hardware makers.

 

As for cost to add MQA: that is not an issue as it's a small royalty far less than the additional tier revenue and then there is some encoding done in the cloud.

Entirely up to you of course, but wouldn’t it be a better use of your time to be thinking about the excuses when it fails on the near future, rather than flogging the dead horse? .

[Lee Scoggins]

11 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

The theory is that if you give them more money they will act better?

 

Yes, because if you talk to music execs, they realize not paying the artists is a long-term loser for them.  It's a late realization but they at least learned.

[Lee Scoggins]

9 minutes ago, adamdea said:

Entirely up to you of course, but wouldn’t it be a better use of your time to be thinking about the excuses when it fails on the near future, rather than flogging the dead horse? .

 

Based on what I am hearing, it is likely to succeed.  We will see.

[Jud]

43 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Straw man. No one is arguing that the labels have not been bad actors.

 

By the way - any argument that tiered streaming prices would allow a bigger cut for artists ignores the most salient point about streaming revenue: Slightly more micro-pfennigs per stream won’t amount to a living wage from streaming revenue even for the T Rexes of the business, let alone the vast majority of artists.  (When Taylor Swift complains, you get the idea.)

 

The only entities to whom this matters are the music and streaming companies - period.  Anything else is a distraction.

[Anodyne Jones]

6 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Based on what I am hearing, it is likely to succeed.  We will see.

..thanks for the laugh...

[MikeyFresh]

4 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

It's a late realization but they at least learned.

 

No they haven't, and your proposition to charge the consumers more is an indication of just how little they've learned.

 

Evidently they think it's as easy as forcing some new paradigm down consumer's throats at higher cost, before they can part with some tiny fraction of the revenue in order to "treat the artists better"?

 

The old model was certainly broken in the context of massive profit loss for the labels, and they can look straight in the mirror for why that occurred, repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot with bad behavior and intentions towards both the artists and consumers. No one will now shed a tear, nor rush to help them become fat cats ever again.

[The Computer Audiophile]

9 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Yes, because if you talk to music execs, they realize not paying the artists is a long-term loser for them.  It's a late realization but they at least learned.

 

It has been a long term winner for them since 1887. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Lee - Have you ever seen a downside to MQA?

 

 

[KeenObserver]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Lee - Have you ever seen a downside to MQA?

 

 

Yes!  He has to come here and defend it on a regular basis.

[Shadders]

16 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Based on what I am hearing, it is likely to succeed.  We will see.

Hi,

The independent music (labels etc) is on the rise :

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/independent-artists-music-industry-stormzy-aj-tracey-stefflon-don-hardy-caprio-major-label-streaming-a8110936.html

 

Essentially, the three majors are trying to stranglehold a declining market (for them).

 

Regards,

Shadders.

[KeenObserver]

The revenue stream, of necessity, has to increase because the cost has increased, due to the royalties paid to MQA.  MQA will be the ones making out if this business model succeeds.