Indydan Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Oct 1 Thanks! So Ralf11 was the one honored with Lavorgna's vulgarity. I had heard about what Lavorgna had written, but did not know who received the message. Link to comment
kumakuma Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Indydan said: Thanks! So Ralf11 was the one honored with Lavorgna's vulgarity. I had heard about what Lavorgna had written, but did not know who received the message. Yes, he took one for the team. Indydan 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 not really - I have little interest in the spewing of people with problems like he has Link to comment
Spacehound Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 hours ago, kumakuma said: Yes, he took one for the team. I doubt it bothered him. As far as I am concerned Lavorgna can make a fool of himself anywhere he wants. He'd got a friend on Stereophile who does it too. He wants the laws of physics changed to make MQA work better (or at all) and says so. Link to comment
Indydan Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Well Dale Thorn has done it again. Another thread has been closed because of Dale (I now consider the Stereophile staff snake oil salesman). If Dale shows up in this thread, I suggest we ignore him completely. This thread is too important to be closed! Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted February 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Indydan said: Well Dale Thorn has done it again. Another thread has been closed because of Dale (I now consider the Stereophile staff snake oil salesman). If Dale shows up in this thread, I suggest we ignore him completely. This thread is too important to be closed! He has been banned and the thread is back open. Rt66indierock, Brinkman Ship, Indydan and 1 other 3 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post FredericV Posted February 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2018 Today I was reading this page:http://thehbproject.com/en/articles/37/6/MQA---Quality-assured There are some ridiculous claims: Quote However, if the file is tampered with in any way, the decoder will notice this and will not light that indicator. In this CA reply, I basically proved Hans wrong: MQA files can be tampered with, and the the indicator will still light up. But what bothers me even more is the incorrect representation: Here it is suggested there are 3 unfolds. In reality, there is no third unfold. MQA uses 24 bit files. Bits 0..7 are used to store the first unfold. These are 8 bits which are below redbook, and when truncating 24 bit MQA files to 16 bits redbook, these bits will be lost. The MQA decoder will still fool it's users believing it can achieve 24/352.8K from these truncated 16 bit files. Bit 8 stores the MQA control channel and should never be stripped. Bit 9..23 store the baseband part. Bit 8..23 should never be tampered with, or the MQA light won't shine. But you can tamper with the data that represents the first unfold, and the MQA decoder will still fool the user this could be 24/352.8 As MQA can only store 24 bits, it can't hide information below -144dB, as 24 bits is not enough to encode the part between -144 and -168. To do that, MQA would need a 32 bit PCM format. But MQA only works with 24 bit files. Hans seems to have no clue what he is talking about. He tried to dismiss my research where I blanked 8 bits in an MQA file as gossip / fake, while I still managed to light up the blue MQA dot on my dac. I even managed to alter 1/3 of the file with garbage, and the MQA light still shined. So it's all backwards. Hans is publishing (fake) copy paste news, which after research by people such as Mansr, Archimago and myself, is being debunked layer by layer, just like we research and debunk the claims of other MQA repeaters. The owner of the Facebook group where we posted this is a Meridian dealer, and he even threatened to delete the post as he believed it is fake news. So all our debunking must cause some serious cognitive dissonance in the pro-MQA camp. We basically debunk a lot of their belief systems. As someone suggested, maybe we should send flowers to MQA. Rt66indierock, Nikhil, MikeyFresh and 3 others 4 1 1 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Popular Post FredericV Posted February 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2018 Regarding the discussion if Peter Veth was Peter Markus 2 pages ago in this thread. PV has been my main opponent some months ago, so I know the usual mistakes he makes. He never learned from my comments which corrected his mistakes, so he makes the same errors over and over again. I actually repeated his mistakes so many times he started to attack my own company, instead of learning anything. This is typical troll / shill behavior. One of his mistakes is "24/385 resolution" which off course does not make much sense if he would understand anything about sampling and how our most common audio samplerates are all multiples of 44.1 or 48K, which 385K is not. 384K and 352.8K are. Let's ignore old sampling formats such as 32K for now. So when googling "computeraudiophile 24/385", I find:http://amedeffect.org/issue/absolutesound/the_politics_of_mqa Quote You are aware that MQA Core Decoding is an end-to-end process, so everyone should be aware of that fact. Especially when the 2L.no testbench MQA files are being used, it is impossible to unfold to the full 24/385 resolution, unless an MQA DAC is being used. Looking at https://www.computeraudiophile.com/profile/32490-peter-markus/ he indeed made the same mistake here: Quote I have seen unfolding it up to 24/385 with some of these 2L and Eudora albums mr Scogins and uses his signature buzzword. Quote It is end-to-end, suppose the encoding part is more interesting. He denies being Peter Veth. He also denies being paid by MQA. Yet he administers a secret Facebook MQA group with a lof of hifi professionals. And we have to believe this is all some kind of a hobby that's gotten out of hand? adamdea, MrMoM and MikeyFresh 1 2 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Indydan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 22/02/2018 at 6:17 PM, FredericV said: Today I was reading this page:http://thehbproject.com/en/articles/37/6/MQA---Quality-assured There are some ridiculous claims: In this CA reply, I basically proved Hans wrong: MQA files can be tampered with, and the the indicator will still light up. But what bothers me even more is the incorrect representation: Here it is suggested there are 3 unfolds. In reality, there is no third unfold. MQA uses 24 bit files. Bits 0..7 are used to store the first unfold. These are 8 bits which are below redbook, and when truncating 24 bit MQA files to 16 bits redbook, these bits will be lost. The MQA decoder will still fool it's users believing it can achieve 24/352.8K from these truncated 16 bit files. Bit 8 stores the MQA control channel and should never be stripped. Bit 9..23 store the baseband part. Bit 8..23 should never be tampered with, or the MQA light won't shine. But you can tamper with the data that represents the first unfold, and the MQA decoder will still fool the user this could be 24/352.8 As MQA can only store 24 bits, it can't hide information below -144dB, as 24 bits is not enough to encode the part between -144 and -168. To do that, MQA would need a 32 bit PCM format. But MQA only works with 24 bit files. Hans seems to have no clue what he is talking about. He tried to dismiss my research where I blanked 8 bits in an MQA file as gossip / fake, while I still managed to light up the blue MQA dot on my dac. I even managed to alter 1/3 of the file with garbage, and the MQA light still shined. So it's all backwards. Hans is publishing (fake) copy paste news, which after research by people such as Mansr, Archimago and myself, is being debunked layer by layer, just like we research and debunk the claims of other MQA repeaters. The owner of the Facebook group where we posted this is a Meridian dealer, and he even threatened to delete the post as he believed it is fake news. So all our debunking must cause some serious cognitive dissonance in the pro-MQA camp. We basically debunk a lot of their belief systems. As someone suggested, maybe we should send flowers to MQA. Nice work! Regarding Beekhuyzen, I never took him seriously. He sounds like an ad company representative reading marketing brochures. 4est 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Indydan Posted February 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 4 hours ago, FredericV said: Regarding the discussion if Peter Veth was Peter Markus 2 pages ago in this thread. PV has been my main opponent some months ago, so I know the usual mistakes he makes. He never learned from my comments which corrected his mistakes, so he makes the same errors over and over again. I actually repeated his mistakes so many times he started to attack my own company, instead of learning anything. This is typical troll / shill behavior. One of his mistakes is "24/385 resolution" which off course does not make much sense if he would understand anything about sampling and how our most common audio samplerates are all multiples of 44.1 or 48K, which 385K is not. 384K and 352.8K are. Let's ignore old sampling formats such as 32K for now. So when googling "computeraudiophile 24/385", I find:http://amedeffect.org/issue/absolutesound/the_politics_of_mqa Looking at https://www.computeraudiophile.com/profile/32490-peter-markus/ he indeed made the same mistake here: and uses his signature buzzword. He denies being Peter Veth. He also denies being paid by MQA. Yet he administers a secret Facebook MQA group with a lof of hifi professionals. And we have to believe this is all some kind of a hobby that's gotten out of hand? Chris showed that Peter Markus and Peter Veth had the same IP address. Yet, when people called out Peter Markus, and told him he was really Peter Veth, he played dumb and pretended not to know what they were talking about. A person can't be more full of shit than that. Yet, he is one of the leading MQA salesman! When the people delivering the message hide behind fake names and lie, how can any sane person trust them and have faith in the product they sell? MrMoM, mansr and Spacehound 2 1 Link to comment
kumakuma Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Indydan said: A person can't be more full of shit than that. Yet, he is one of the leading MQA salesman! When the people delivering the message hide behind fake names and lie, how can any sane person trust the product they sell? I think he's a volunteer salesman. Not sure if this makes it better or worse. Certainly sadder. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Indydan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, kumakuma said: I think he's a volunteer salesman. Not sure if this makes it better or worse. Certainly sadder. Sad and pathetic if he is a volunteer! He has made MQA his life's calling! Link to comment
lucretius Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/21/2018 at 4:50 PM, Indydan said: MQA "enthusiast" Reason for no longer posting on CA Peter Veth BANNED WitchDoctor BANNED Lee Scoggins SCARED of his BS being called out Michael Lavorgna BANNED for telling someone to go fuck his mother Peter Veth (as Peter Markus) BANNED for acting like a dick and being an MQA shill Ah! A CA twit list. Shouldn't this be a sticky? Indydan 1 mQa is dead! Link to comment
Confused Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I visited the 'Sound and Vision' show in Bristol, UK yesterday. This show is organised by Audio-T, who run a chain of UK hifi shops and sponsored by the UK's best-selling hifi rag 'What Hi-Fi'. I think it is fair to say that this is the UK's most mainstream show, there is a wide range of kit there with a smattering of 'high end', but the majority of demonstrations are at the more affordable to mildly aspirational end of the scale. One thing is for sure, of all the UK shows, this one is by far the best attended, I was there on a Friday and it was jam-packed with people, a little too busy to be fun to be honest. So what of MQA? Not that I was checking every stand and display for MQA logos, I did wander around the whole show and visited about 90% of the demo rooms, and not one MQA logo or demo did I see. Curiously, this was not the case a couple of years ago, when Pioneer had a big room playing MQA demo's and in the 'What Hi-Fi' area they had a guy with a laptop and headphones who was running demonstrations where you could listen to a track of your choice to via MP3 then MQA. This year the only mention of MQA was in a demonstration of the new Cyrus signature streaming system, DAC and amps. The guy from Cyrus was introducing each track played with a few words about the music and also stating that they were streaming hi-res via Qobuz. During each introduction he mentioned that there are alternative ways to stream hi-res such as MQA but why bother with file compression methods when bandwidth is no longer a restriction and increasing all the time anyway. He made this mini-speech three times when I was in the room, I guess he was doing this all day, and will be doing so all weekend too. MrMoM 1 Windows 11 PC, Roon, HQPlayer, Focus Fidelity convolutions, iFi Zen Stream, Paul Hynes SR4, Mutec REF10, Mutec MC3+USB, Devialet 1000Pro, KEF Blade. Plus Pro-Ject Signature 12 TT for playing my 'legacy' vinyl collection. Desktop system; RME ADI-2 DAC fs, Meze Empyrean headphones. Link to comment
Popular Post Spacehound Posted February 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 22/02/2018 at 11:17 PM, FredericV said: Today I was reading this page:http://thehbproject.com/en/articles/37/6/MQA---Quality-assured There are some ridiculous claims: In this CA reply, I basically proved Hans wrong: MQA files can be tampered with, and the the indicator will still light up. But what bothers me even more is the incorrect representation: Here it is suggested there are 3 unfolds. In reality, there is no third unfold. MQA uses 24 bit files. Bits 0..7 are used to store the first unfold. These are 8 bits which are below redbook, and when truncating 24 bit MQA files to 16 bits redbook, these bits will be lost. The MQA decoder will still fool it's users believing it can achieve 24/352.8K from these truncated 16 bit files. Bit 8 stores the MQA control channel and should never be stripped. Bit 9..23 store the baseband part. Bit 8..23 should never be tampered with, or the MQA light won't shine. But you can tamper with the data that represents the first unfold, and the MQA decoder will still fool the user this could be 24/352.8 As MQA can only store 24 bits, it can't hide information below -144dB, as 24 bits is not enough to encode the part between -144 and -168. To do that, MQA would need a 32 bit PCM format. But MQA only works with 24 bit files. Hans seems to have no clue what he is talking about. He tried to dismiss my research where I blanked 8 bits in an MQA file as gossip / fake, while I still managed to light up the blue MQA dot on my dac. I even managed to alter 1/3 of the file with garbage, and the MQA light still shined. So it's all backwards. Hans is publishing (fake) copy paste news, which after research by people such as Mansr, Archimago and myself, is being debunked layer by layer, just like we research and debunk the claims of other MQA repeaters. The owner of the Facebook group where we posted this is a Meridian dealer, and he even threatened to delete the post as he believed it is fake news. So all our debunking must cause some serious cognitive dissonance in the pro-MQA camp. We basically debunk a lot of their belief systems. As someone suggested, maybe we should send flowers to MQA. MQA is a total scam from beginning to end. In the UK, its home country, an analysis such as yours could be sent to the 'Advertising Standards Authority', they would have it checked out, and if correct they then would prevent it from being advertised, promoted, and with the help of the 'Weights and Measures' department, sold. But they are not allowed to instigate such actions themselves. And nobody has yet bothered to report MQA, with evidence. (It's deliberately a lot of paperwork to discourage spurious reports, and to get them started it's best to have several independent objectors each supplying evidence from separate sources,) mjb and MrMoM 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post FredericV Posted February 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Spacehound said: MQA is a total scam from beginning to end. In the UK, its home country, an analysis such as yours could be sent to the 'Advertising Standards Authority', they would have it checked out, and if correct they then would prevent it from being advertised, promoted, and with the help of the 'Weights and Measures' department, sold. But they are not allowed to instigate such actions themselves. And nobody has yet bothered to report MQA, with evidence. (It's deliberately a lot of paperwork to discourage spurious reports, and to get them started it's best to have several independent objectors each supplying evidence from separate sources,) Those who are testing and reverse engineering MQA could provide hard evidence MQA is a scam. But nobody is being paid for this, and we have other jobs to do. Some ask: why do you waste so much time at MQA? This is a fight for our basic freedom, which we had with PCM. With real PCM we could do whatever we want with those files. MQA is basically taking our rights away and selling them back to us. Real highres being replaced by fake highres with DRM, and no more access to the PCM.One analogy: MQA for banks. Hello customer. From now on, we will strip the lowest 8 bits of the binary string representing your balance. Your PCM bank account is automatically upgraded to an MQA bank account. So we steal between 0 and 255 EURO from you. However, if you pay for our upgraded MQA account at 10 euro / month, we will show you the real value of your account with a precision of 1 euro, just like in the old days. As MQA is lossy, we replace anything after the decimal point to some random number, which we call dither. But as dither is only important for technical people, we will no longer show anything behind the decimal point. As we use dither, your value may go up or down with 1 euro depending on the day and time, nothing to worry about, it's just one euro. If you want to withdraw money or transfer money however, you must always wire multiples of 256 EURO, as we don't give you access to do anything with those 8 LSB bits. We just give you the right to see those bits and enjoy the balance of your account, but we will not allow you to use it for any other purpose. We own the copyright on MQA bank accounts, so if you cancel your account, we will round down to a multiple of 256 euro, and keep the remainder ourselves. Enjoy your new MQA bank account. Confused, mcgillroy, Spacehound and 1 other 1 3 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
mav52 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, FredericV said: Real highres being replaced by fake highres with DRM, and no more access to the PCM. And this very reason is why I continue to purchase as much music as possible in LP, CD or hi-rez downloads and/or needle drop or rip my own. At least MQA and the labels can't take away what I own or change the way I hear my music today. . MikeyFresh 1 The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
Popular Post Tintinabulum Posted February 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Spacehound said: MQA is a total scam from beginning to end. In the UK, its home country, an analysis such as yours could be sent to the 'Advertising Standards Authority', they would have it checked out, and if correct they then would prevent it from being advertised, promoted, and with the help of the 'Weights and Measures' department, sold. But they are not allowed to instigate such actions themselves. And nobody has yet bothered to report MQA, with evidence. (It's deliberately a lot of paperwork to discourage spurious reports, and to get them started it's best to have several independent objectors each supplying evidence from separate sources,) I'm afraid your MQA hate storm isn't of much interest to the real world. But absolutely, jail them and bring back hanging, concentration camps anyone? Make MQA a crime. What a farce, have you lot really nothing better to do? School yard bullies, who's going to be next when you've done with MQA? Bill Brown, dpstjp2 and Fitzcaraldo215 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post botrytis Posted February 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Tintinabulum said: I'm afraid your MQA hate storm isn't of much interest to the real world. But absolutely, jail them and bring back hanging, concentration camps anyone? Make MQA a crime. What a farce, have you lot really nothing better to do? School yard bullies, who's going to be next when you've done with MQA? Well, the issue is, the people (audiophile press) that are supposed to do the testing and telling us what is good or bad, are shilling MQA like it is the best thing since sliced bread. Archimago and others, on this forum, have shown why MQA is a con. If the press would have actually done the due diligence, they would be getting the amount of flak they are getting now. People in he real world will start caring when MQA starts squeezing money out of them and the DRM kicks in. MikeyFresh, mansr and mjb 2 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
crenca Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Confused said: I visited the 'Sound and Vision' show in Bristol, UK yesterday.....So what of MQA? Not that I was checking every stand and display for MQA logos, I did wander around the whole show and visited about 90% of the demo rooms, and not one MQA logo or demo did I see. Curiously, this was not the case a couple of years ago, when Pioneer had a big room playing MQA demo's and in the 'What Hi-Fi' area they had a guy with a laptop and headphones who was running demonstrations where you could listen to a track of your choice to via MP3 then MQA....During each introduction he mentioned that there are alternative ways to stream hi-res such as MQA but why bother with file compression methods when bandwidth is no longer a restriction and increasing all the time anyway. He made this mini-speech three times when I was in the room, I guess he was doing this all day, and will be doing so all weekend too. Tis very interesting. This indicates something important in all of this - both consumers and manufacturers of gear are not finding the value in MQA. It will only succeed in a top down manner - a supply side fiat from the labels. "MQA has been targeting the weakest players in our world, the audiophiles. And they’re targeting those most dependent on pimping new tech, the audiophile press." Brian Lucey MrMoM 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Spacehound Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, crenca said: Tis very interesting. This indicates something important in all of this - both consumers and manufacturers of gear are not finding the value in MQA. It will only succeed in a top down manner - a supply side fiat from the labels. "MQA has been targeting the weakest players in our world, the audiophiles. And they’re targeting those most dependent on pimping new tech, the audiophile press." Brian Lucey If there ever was a boat I suspect MQA has missed it. As for the labels, some said they had 'converted' (so disappears 'authentication') their entire catalogues 6-9 months ago. But very little has been released and almost all of that via Tidal, which is a very small player. I suggest the labels, traditionally tight-fisted, have not actually paid MQA Ltd. any fees and are just 'testing the waters' before even thinking about doing so. MQA Ltd. is the 'dependent' party. not the labels. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted March 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2018 Hi Everyone - The first front page article to look at MQA from an angle the "old guard" has ignored is finally up. crenca, skikirkwood, tmtomh and 8 others 3 5 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Indydan Posted March 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2018 2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Everyone - The first front page article to look at MQA from an angle the "old guard" has ignored is finally up. MQA declined to offer a response. That pretty much says it all. Garbage peddling cowards. MikeyFresh and Ran 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted March 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Indydan said: MQA declined to offer a response. That pretty much says it all. Garbage peddling cowards. The MQA surrogates' narrative characterizes MQA critics as irrational, rude, and "armchair engineers", among other pejoratives. To maintain that narrative, they must not respond directly to critics. Personally, I expect to see MQA's "response" in a TEN imprint like Stereophile or Audiostream. They are reliable MQA surrogates. labjr, Fokus, mav52 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment
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