I have had it with Roon, their lack of support, their user forum, and it's users...

[Kal Rubinson]

2 hours ago, lucretius said:

 

To avoid abrasive and/or tiring users on the Roon Forum, also don't mention DLNA/UPnP or MQA! 😃

Or  SACD ISO.

[AudioDoctor]

7 hours ago, March Audio said:

The only background process that I am aware of that can eat the CPU is the audio analysis.  However you can set that to whatever level you want, from all your cores, to throttled to completely off.  After the intial scan AFAIK it only kicks off when you add new material. Cant say I have found it causing any problems here.

 

 

I let that run overnight when I switched to this server and it has been done for ages. The truth of oil is that Roon is doing a lot of activity in the background most of the time. I don't know why it needs to do it during music playback or why it required 145% of CPU resources during music playback. But it did and it was audible as a loss of quality in the sound.

[kennyb123]

9 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

I let that run overnight when I switched to this server and it has been done for ages. The truth of oil is that Roon is doing a lot of activity in the background most of the time. I don't know why it needs to do it during music playback or why it required 145% of CPU resources during music playback. But it did and it was audible as a loss of quality in the sound.

Yes I observed that too when my new music server arrived in January.  It took at least a month for it to settle down.  It had to get through analyzing my entire music library.  I haven’t seen as much activity since but I haven’t really checked.  

[AudioDoctor]

Every other server whether it is hardware or software, or a combination of the two, tries to minimize the processing during playback, even those that use a distributed playback model. Then comes Roon who says Fuck it, we're gonna do all the processing during playback and tell our customers/users to get lost when they ask for better sound quality and insist it's their network and/or they're not using the software correctly.

 

 

Well, the exact same hardware not running Roon doesn't exhibit that problem so... that pretty much narrows down the problem as there was only one change.

[katools]

Roon does many things that El Chapo flat out denies.  Couple of days back my headless server instance was sluggish and sitting at just over 12GB ram whilst idling.  Restart it and it drops to 4, but Roon has no memory leaks.

[March Audio]

15 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

I let that run overnight when I switched to this server and it has been done for ages. The truth of oil is that Roon is doing a lot of activity in the background most of the time. I don't know why it needs to do it during music playback or why it required 145% of CPU resources during music playback. But it did and it was audible as a loss of quality in the sound.

I dont see my installation doing this.  It runs most of the time about 0.2% with occasional peaks to about 2 to 3%.  However our installs are different as Im not using HQ player.

 

Not contradicting your experience, but it may not be usual/normal operation for some unknown reason.

[biosailor]

On 7/4/2021 at 9:59 PM, AudioDoctor said:

The Roon forum is a religion and anyone disagreeing with them is a witch to be burned.

The very same happens over at the Audirvana user forum! Since the release of Audirvana Studio, the tone became more and more aggressive!

[The Computer Audiophile]

On 7/4/2021 at 2:22 PM, AudioDoctor said:

I made a request that background processing be disabled while music is playing.

That would be great. I’ve run into issues with music stuttering, only to see Roon maxing out my CPU for some reason. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

On 7/5/2021 at 3:33 AM, March Audio said:

The only background process that I am aware of that can eat the CPU is the audio analysis.  However you can set that to whatever level you want, from all your cores, to throttled to completely off.  After the intial scan AFAIK it only kicks off when you add new material. Cant say I have found it causing any problems here.

 

 

20 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

I let that run overnight when I switched to this server and it has been done for ages. The truth of oil is that Roon is doing a lot of activity in the background most of the time. I don't know why it needs to do it during music playback or why it required 145% of CPU resources during music playback. But it did and it was audible as a loss of quality in the sound.

Same here. Issues with CPU even though the library analysis has been done for months. 

[Armsan]

On 7/4/2021 at 7:13 PM, AudioDoctor said:

and I regret ever giving them money for mediocre sound quality that is only improved to listenable standards by adding HQPlayer.

 

I no longer recommend Roon to anyone.

+1, a long time ago. Even without HQP, MPD in my Audiolinux environment is way much better. Roon is only a fantastic media library but, who cares.

[AudioDoctor]

In my opinion, Roon needs to do two things.

 

1) start getting serious about support by acknowledging their software isn't the end all be all of perfection, and do something about it.

 

2) Get their forum under control

[kennyb123]

The processing might be a function of how many network folders you have Roon watching.  
 

Antipodes came up with a smart approach of having only a single watched folder.  This folder is essentially a single virtual volume with network folders mounted by Linux.  Antipodes claims that this cuts down on processing.  I can’t confirm or deny, but wonder if those who see all this processing have Roon watching a number of shared folders.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, kennyb123 said:

The processing might be a function of how many network folders you have Roon watching.  
 

Antipodes came up with a smart approach of having only a single watched folder.  This folder is essentially a single virtual volume with network folders mounted by Linux.  Antipodes claims that this cuts down on processing.  I can’t confirm or deny, but wonder if those who see all this processing have Roon watching a number of shared folders.

Only two here. 

 

[kennyb123]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Only two here. 

Then maybe it’s related to library size.  There are 10x more files in just your L drive than my entire library.  Good for you but maybe bad for Roon and you.

[AudioDoctor]

3 hours ago, kennyb123 said:

The processing might be a function of how many network folders you have Roon watching.  
 

Antipodes came up with a smart approach of having only a single watched folder.  This folder is essentially a single virtual volume with network folders mounted by Linux.  Antipodes claims that this cuts down on processing.  I can’t confirm or deny, but wonder if those who see all this processing have Roon watching a number of shared folders.

 

Thats probably a good guess however my watched folder is a single ZFS pool that's located on two mirrored 10TB drives inside the machine.

 

There are still things Roon is doing in the background, gathering metadata, getting data from Qobuz and Tidal, searching the net for whatever it searches for about your artists, etc... and probably stuff we don't know about as well like reporting back to Roon HQ.

[seeteeyou]

In hindsight it's just wicked funny to read this reply to the first podcast episode (Roon Labs interview) for obvious reasons

 

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/61607-article-audiophile-style-podcast-episode-1-roon-labs-interview/?tab=comments#comment-1101796  

On 1/12/2021 at 12:47 AM, AudioDoctor said:

Was “dynamic rage” a typo or done purposely?

 

If we weren't even trying to mince words by any means, we're merely talking about a relatively young company with dozens of employees while a bunch of geeks seemed to be enjoying their tremendous success early on

 

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/roon-labs

 

Not really all that surprising to see some tech guys getting cocky, no wonder they might not even give a damn about PR whatsoever since they could very well be too green to know anything about that to begin with.

 

While it's certainly great to build cult-like cultures within the company, regrettably they're somehow applying a piece of that to the "royal treatment" of their very own customers instead

 

https://www.jimcollins.com/article_topics/articles/building-companies.html

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Architects of visionary companies don’t just trust in good intentions or “values statements;” they build cult-like cultures around their core ideologies.

 

They aren't necessarily exhibiting the behavior of a clock builder as mentioned in the article linked above, not that they would actually have a care in the first place IMHO.

[rn701]

Just now...

 

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Too bad that 2.0 doesn’t support Tidal high res.
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Tidal doesn't have high res.

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So apparently I'm not allowed to joke about Tidal and their so-called high res offering (mqa) which isn't. Ok, then. Been on the fence about renewing my roon subscription.  This helps me decide.

 

Here's the context...

 

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/innuos-2-0-roon-killer/148893/75

[R1200CL]

56 minutes ago, rn701 said:

Here's the context...

 

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/innuos-2-0-roon-killer/148893/75

Maybe a bit off topic, and hence removed. There are other treads heavily discussing Tidal and MQA. 

[One and a half]

1 hour ago, rn701 said:

Just now...

 

 

So apparently I'm not allowed to joke about Tidal and their so-called high res offering (mqa) which isn't. Ok, then. Been on the fence about renewing my roon subscription.  This helps me decide.

 

Here's the context...

 

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/innuos-2-0-roon-killer/148893/75

Severe problem that the truth is censored.

[R1200CL]

3 minutes ago, One and a half said:

Severe problem that the truth is censored.

 

Well, I think 24/96 and above is hi res. MQA or not. 

[rando]

ROON'd

/thread  

[seeteeyou]

This one would be way too funny and I just couldn't resist since I'm also an Asian myself, my classmates and I were constantly making fun of our teachers back in our high school days

 

https://www.vox.com/videos/2019/3/26/18282192/asian-accent-l-and-r

 

Looney Tunes FTW.

[The Computer Audiophile]

7 minutes ago, seeteeyou said:

This one would be way too funny and I just couldn't resist since I'm also an Asian myself, my classmates and I were constantly making fun of our teachers back in our high school days

 

https://www.vox.com/videos/2019/3/26/18282192/asian-accent-l-and-r

 

Looney Tunes FTW.

Thanks for that. I love learning about other cultures and communication etc… I think looking at ourselves with a little humility or self deprecating humor is always good. 
 

The people I met in Kenya swapped Ls and Rs. When they said the word roger, to communicate the previous audio transmission via CB radio was understood, it sounded like they said lawyer. We all had fun talking about it and my Minnesota accent provided plenty of fuel for our humor. 

[botrytis]

27 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Thanks for that. I love learning about other cultures and communication etc… I think looking at ourselves with a little humility or self deprecating humor is always good. 
 

The people I met in Kenya swapped Ls and Rs. When they said the word roger, to communicate the previous audio transmission via CB radio was understood, it sounded like they said lawyer. We all had fun talking about it and my Minnesota accent provided plenty of fuel for our humor. 

 

Chris, did you make sure you stood apart, at a 45 degree angle, so you couldn't look them in the eye? I was always told that is how people in Minnesota have a conversation. 😁 And don't forget to use the phrase, 'Could Be Worse'

[March Audio]

15 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Same here. Issues with CPU even though the library analysis has been done for months. 

Perhaps if we compare setups we might be able to see some kind of correlation between the issue and configuration/usage?

 

I have a moderate number of tracks in my collection but use Qobuz mostly these days hence the locally stored collection has stopped growing.

 

 

Roon Core runs on an AMD Ryzen 7 3800 8 core PC with 32 Gb ram and a striped 4Tb NVME array. Nvidia Quadro P400 graphics.

 

Using the latest Roon (updated this morning) V1.8 build 806 64bit.

 

I have multiple wifi connected end-points.    Core feeding an RME ADI2, laptop feeding also feeding another RME ADI2 and a NUC feeding a DAC1.  No DSP going on.

 

I have set them all playing and will watch the CPU/memory over several days to see what happens.

 

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