Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

[Jud]

7 hours ago, sandyk said:

Is it worth getting all hot under the collar for such a trivial issue,

 

I do understand what you're saying.  First, it seems to me Chris is trying to do a good thing for us, his readers, using an automated tool that has existed on the Web for a very long time.  To the extent other folks are trying to interfere with Chris making this a valuable web site for us, it's not trivial.  What is trivial is the two seconds it should take anyone competent to configure the RSS properly on the content provider's end. 

 

With regard to getting hot under the collar, one person got bothered at something ridiculous and of his own making, another person got bothered that someone is threatening him over something ludicrous.  I can certainly see myself in the latter role, hopefully not in the former. 

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

17 minutes ago, Jud said:

With regard to getting hot under the collar, one person got bothered at something ridiculous and of his own making,

 

It appears as if he doesn't want to change his RSS feed but expects Chris not to publish it. Why?

[mav52]

52 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

 

It appears as if he doesn't want to change his RSS feed but expects Chris not to publish it. Why?

Makes one wonder why its  ok for the the Daily Audiophile to feed Tone,   but CA isn't.  https://www.dailyaudiophile.com/

[arcman]

1 hour ago, firedog said:

Maybe. The modern rule is: don't text or email anything you wouldn't want to be made public. You have zero control of what happens to it once you click the button. 

Yes..you are right.....However....just because you don't lock your doors doesn't mean it's "right" for somebody to go into your home. Just because your wallet fell to the ground...does not make it right for someone to take the money inside. The principal is the same. If tChris feels threatened, he should call a lawyer. Most people, I bet,  on this forum feels our President lacks "class" on how he handles conflict and issues with his coverage from the media. I'd be curious if Chris, before this incident, would knock the President if he published an email he received from a reporter who acted rude while being critical of a policy of his (without asking the reporter). I'd bet 90% here would dog the POTUS for lacking class. Again same principle. 

[mansr]

17 minutes ago, arcman said:

Yes..you are right.....However....just because you don't lock your doors doesn't mean it's "right" for somebody to go into your home.

No, this is different. This is akin to placing all your belongings on the front lawn with a sign saying "take what you want," then getting upset with one particular person when he grabs an item.

[plissken]

7 hours ago, HiFiInsider said:

I am also a content creator (YouTube) and I have to side with Jeff on this one. If someone embeds my videos on their website and use as content, I would be upset. Can they legally do it, yes but that doesn't mean it's ok with me. 

 

It's not the same thing. RSS is distribution, YouTube is hosting. RSS is understood as a way to disseminate and push out content beyond the domain you are originating it at. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, arcman said:

Actually, I really do not care about the other stuff...I just found it unprofessional to post the emails no matter how unprofessional the sender. Maybe I'm an old fart...I'm just amazed how people can't handle conflict these days. 

 

As I said before, posting the emails was a way to expose a bully, shine a light on his actions, and get the unaltered truth out there. 

 

He literally declared war. I’m assuming he’ll make up some rumors about what happened or what I’m doing etc... Now the facts are here for everyone. It’s not a he said - he said thing. 

 

I have hundreds of emails from other people who hate me for whatever reason. I’d never publish them. This is different. 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, james45974 said:

Sensible, it has done nothing but clutter up CA with useless stuff available easily elsewhere, try Daily Audiophile.  No need for the duplication.

 

 

Daily Audiophile is great if you want the title of the article. 

 

We provide more, if syndicated by the publisher, and give people a place to talk about it. I don’t see the duplication. 

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

49 minutes ago, mav52 said:

Makes one wonder why its  ok for the the Daily Audiophile to feed Tone,   but CA isn't.  https://www.dailyaudiophile.com/

 

Something to do with hits on competitors websites?

[plissken]

In my business we have training, troubleshooting, and how to videos. We built our own content management system to organize and host those videos so we don't have to put them on YT or another hosting service where we lose control of our content. 

 

If someone were to ever link to our content we would have remedies available to us that you don't get otherwise. It's why we spent the coding effort.

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Daily Audiophile is great if you want the title of the article. 

 

We provide more, if syndicated by the publisher, and give people a place to talk about it. I don’t see the duplication. 

 

I can understand DA as its basically a notice board with redirection to the respective website.

 

So if they "syndicate more" who is the intended feed for? We know its not CA, TAS, Stereophile etc.

[phototristan]

If you look at the actual RSS feed, it does NOT include the full text of the article, as most RSS feeds do not. It includes a summary and link to the source. Anyone can view this here, (2nd item down): 

 

http://www.feedbucket.com/?src=http://www.tonepublications.com/feed/&start=30

 

I think CA is a bit disingenuous with attribution for sure. 

[Solstice380]

10 hours ago, crenca said:

 

Your the guy with Hillary's email server in your basement aren't you ?

 

No, I think that must have been @arcman.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

If you look at the actual RSS feed, it does NOT include the full text of the article, as most RSS feeds do not. It includes a summary and link to the source: 

 

http://www.feedbucket.com/?src=http://www.tonepublications.com/feed/&start=30

 

I think CA is a bit disingenuous with attribution for sure. 

Absolutely false. We enter the RSS feed address into our software. That’s it. 

 

If we were disingenuous we’d do it for other sites as well. 

[phototristan]

12 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Absolutely false. We enter the RSS feed address into our software. That’s it. 

 

It's pretty easy to view the raw RSS feed for any website. I suggest you do so. 

 

Their raw feed is here (use an RSS reader of your choice, or use the link i provided above) : http://www.tonepublications.com/feed/

[GregWormald]

56 minutes ago, arcman said:

Yes..you are right.....However....just because you don't lock your doors doesn't mean it's "right" for somebody to go into your home. Just because your wallet fell to the ground...does not make it right for someone to take the money inside. The principal is the same. If tChris feels threatened, he should call a lawyer. Most people, I bet,  on this forum feels our President lacks "class" on how he handles conflict and issues with his coverage from the media. I'd be curious if Chris, before this incident, would knock the President if he published an email he received from a reporter who acted rude while being critical of a policy of his (without asking the reporter). I'd bet 90% here would dog the POTUS for lacking class. Again same principle. 

 

Sorry mate, but your analogies are not even close (even though analogies are never perfect).

 

Try this one--you write a piece of software that does something useful for website construction. You place it on a Freeware site, and then complain when one specific person uses it.

 

As far as Chris' posts are concerned--War is likely to be public. Exposing one and the reasons for it is only sensible if you feel you are the wronged party.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

It's pretty easy to view the raw RSS feed for any website. I suggest you do so. 

 

Their feed is here: http://www.tonepublications.com/feed/

Trust me, I know how to use RSS. 

 

 

[arcman]

4 minutes ago, Solstice380 said:

 

No, I think that must have been @arcman.

Yes it was me. However, the server was not in my basement. I left it out on the front porch so anyone could just plug in and copy anything they wanted. Amazing how many foreign dignitaries stopped by on a daily basis and hooked their laptops up LOL

[plissken]

1 minute ago, phototristan said:

 

It's pretty easy to view the raw RSS feed for any website. I suggest you do so. 

 

Their feed is here (use an RSS reader) : http://www.tonepublications.com/feed/

 

Ah the new user here to inform us how RSS works. 

[phototristan]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Trust me, I know how to use RSS. 

 

 

 

I don't, and you don't. Why do I say this? Because just take a look at the RAW RSS feed data and you will see exactly what is in their RSS feed. Hint- it's not the full article. 

[arcman]

At the end of the day..I find it classless on all sides. However Chris, its your site do as you wish. Good luck with the war!! lol

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, phototristan said:

 

I don't, and you don't. Why do I say this? Because just take a look at the RAW RSS feed data and you will see exactly what is in their RSS feed. Hint- it's not the full article. 

 

I understand if you admit you don’t. But please, if you don’t understand how it works, stop suggesting your single example is the way it must work. 

 

[christopher3393]

2 minutes ago, phototristan said:

 

I don't, and you don't. Why do I say this? Because just take a look at the RAW RSS feed data and you will see exactly what is in their RSS feed. Hint- it's not the full article. 

 

Are you affiliated with the industry in any way? Are you an audio journalist? If so, you need to declare that up front. If not, why not introduce yourself and why this concerns you?

[phototristan]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

I understand if you admit you don’t. But please, if you don’t understand how it works, stop suggesting your single example is the way it must work. 

 

 

Just now, christopher3393 said:

 

Are you affiliated with the industry in any way? Are you an audio journalist? If so, you need to declare that up front. If not, why not introduce yourself and why this concerns you?

 

Sometimes the truth hurts and people don't like to be actually shown the truth.

[Shadders]

32 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I have hundreds of emails from other people who hate me for whatever reason. I’d never publish them. This is different. 

Don't worry, we all love you. ?

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, phototristan said:

I don't, and you don't. Why do I say this? Because just take a look at the RAW RSS feed data and you will see exactly what is in their RSS feed. Hint- it's not the full article. 

It absolutely has the full articles.