Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

[crenca]

1 hour ago, arcman said:

Just abide by the copyright holder’s wish.

 

 

14 minutes ago, sandyk said:

when all Chris he has to do is remove the disputed content

 

You guys don't seem to get it. 

 

Chris IS abiding by the "copyright's holder's wish".  There is no "disputed" content - by using RSS ToneAudio and Jeff are asking Chris to do exactly what he is doing.

 

It is an automated system, and it is a "come and take me" technical and legal solution.  Jeff can't pick and choose who grabs his RSS feed any more than I can ask some individual not to post here simply because I don't wish them to...

[Indydan]

What a character this Dorgay... I always thought he was a bit of a show off. In his review of the AQ Jitterbug, he didn't write that he tried it in his car; he wrote that he tried it in his BMW Z4. He likes to tell people he has nice shiny expensive things...

 

http://www.tonepublications.com/review/audioquest-jitterbug/

[Ralf11]

or maybe he just wants Porsche drivers to know he is not so much

[arcman]

Its not about RSS , its about being professional.  So...lets say Chris does not want to abide by Dorgay’s wishes......then dont abide and go on. Just because Dorgay acted like a jerk does not mean Chris needs to post the emails. Big boys who run businesses have gotten get threats, mean spirited emails etc.  just like in this article, 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/apr/19/garbage-pat-pope-photography-you-sold-17-million-albums-and-you-want-to-pay-me-nothing

 

the photographer griping that the band asked to use the photos for free.  Dont gripe, just say no. No need for all the hoopla.  I get people wanting to use my photographs for free all the time....just tell them no, give them a price and move on. 

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

This is about RSS and it’s about holding people accountable. I don’t give anyone a free pass and leave the door open to treat me or others this way again. 

 

It’s also about the truth. With the full contents of the email public, no lies can be made up about what was said in this “war.”

[HiFiInsider]

I've been a reader of CA and TONE for many years. I know Jeff on a personal level and find him to be a friendly, down to earth guy, not a show off at all. I don't know Chris on a personal level, only say Hi and chat briefly at trade shows. Chris has always been friendly and nice to me. I don't know the relationship between Chris and Jeff.

 

I am also a content creator (YouTube) and I have to side with Jeff on this one. If someone embeds my videos on their website and use as content, I would be upset. Can they legally do it, yes but that doesn't mean it's ok with me. 

 

Think of this everyone... if someone walks up to you in public and takes a picture of you and what ever you're doing. Share that picture on a public website as content. Can this person legally do it? Yes, because you are in a public area. How would you feel about that?

 

Chris, why is it so important to you to include Jeff's content in your RSS reader? If Jeff doesn't want to be on your site then take it down. There are plenty of content on the web. You and Jeff are in the same business and at times work with the same manufacturers. You two will one day run into each other. Why does it have to get ugly with one another? The audio (hi-fi) hobby should be fun, drama is not fun and unnecessary. 

 

~Mike

[bibo01]

If I were in Chris' position, I would abide to remove the link to TONEAudio site, when he removes his RSS subscription.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Hi Mike - There’s no need for analogies as we have a real situation here with real facts. 

 

The details have been covered in the previous posts.

 

When someone tells me they’re going to war against me I want all the facts public. I also don’t back down to bullies and people who threaten frivolous lawsuits. It only empowers them. 

 

The real solution is for Jeff to change his RSS configuration so it does what he wants. Not go after someone who is using exactly what he is delivering and using it exactly how it’s designed to be used. 

 

 

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

13 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

You and Jeff are in the same business and at times work with the same manufacturers. You two will one day run into each other.

 

We were in Denmark together in October visiting Dynaudio. Thus my “I’m speechless” comment. 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

Why does it have to get ugly with one another?

 

That’s a question for him. 

[crenca]

17 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

 

I am also a content creator (YouTube) and I have to side with Jeff on this one. If someone embeds my videos on their website and use as content, I would be upset. Can they legally do it, yes but that doesn't mean it's ok with me. 

 

 

~Mike

 

I have a "what planet are you from" reaction to this. 

 

You do realize that they are not "your" YouTube videos, they are YouTube's.  Your using their service, not the other way around.  YouTube wants other "content providers" to embed their service into websites/blogs/social media because it makes them money!  You agree to YouTube's terms of service, not the other way around.  YouTube controls YouTube, not you.  All this is "ok" with you because you have agreed to YouTube's TOS and have chosen to do business with them!  

 

 

 

Think of this everyone... if someone walks up to you in public and takes a picture of you and what ever you're doing. Share that picture on a public website as content. Can this person legally do it? Yes, because you are in a public area. How would you feel about that?

 

~Mike

 

 

You have got to be joking.  Your analogy is all wrong.  Jeff is not walking around in public minding his own business.  He has created a publication.  Beyond this he has put it out on RSS.  The correct analogy is that Jeff has stripped naked and hired 12 piece brass band to follow him while he does cart wheels (naked) in Central Park.  He then complains - not about the fact that 1,000 people have taken his picture but that he does not want 1 of them taking his picture (the other 999 he is ok with).

 

What planet are you guys from?!?

[wgscott]

8 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

What planet are you guys from?!?

 

Analog planet!

 

A place where logic doesn't apply.

 

A place where identical files can sound different depending on how much sand is in your grounding box (and your head).

 

A place where inhabitants threaten the livelihood of people over trivial disagreements about music.

 

A place where vinyl sounds good and computers are the evil spawn of satan.

 

A place where power cords and speaker cables have magical properties.

 

A place where science is appreciated as much as in the White House.

 

But let's keep pretending ignorance is harmless, and should be celebrated.

 

 

[MetalNuts]

23 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

We were in Denmark together in October visiting Dynaudio. Thus my “I’m speechless” comment.

 

What can we say when people are irrational?

[crenca]

5 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

https://www.analogplanet.com

 

 

 

 "I discovered this thing called the internet yesterday and I think it might be a good idea to..."

[HiFiInsider]

Chris, you didn’t answer this question. 

 

why is it so important to you to include Jeff's content in your RSS reader? 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, HiFiInsider said:

Chris, you didn’t answer this question. 

 

why is it so important to you to include Jeff's content in your RSS reader? 

 

I disagree with the premise of your question. 

 

I’m offering a solution to a problem. I want to offer the best solution possible. The more feeds with decent content the better. 

 

[crenca]

8 minutes ago, HiFiInsider said:

Chris, you didn’t answer this question. 

 

why is it so important to you to include Jeff's content in your RSS reader? 

 

Because he wants to aggregate Audiophile content in one place - his place, so that he drives eyeballs to his service (he of course $benefits$). Because he likes the color purple.  

 

The more interesting question is why are your scratching Jeff's back?  

 

 

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

8 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Our service is 100% legal and far better than what Flipboard is doing to you. If you get your RSS feeds fixed to be inline with almost every other site on the internet then everyone wins. 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

Jeff's reply

 

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:33 PM JeffD <Jeff@ .com> wrote:

Except Stereophile TAS and all the others aren’t publishing our feed.  You’re the only one doing it and we both know it’s a dick move

 

Consider the war on

 

To state the obvious something doesn't reconcile here in Jeff D's logic. You have to assume he knows how RSS works and even if he didn't Chris explained it to him. So why not fix it from his end. That much has already been covered.

 

The odd part for me is that JD states "Except Stereophile TAS and all the others aren’t publishing our feed" as if to imply, so why do you. Also Chris mentioned a phone call from Darko about altering RSS feeds in some way which was settled amicably. What's to settle, you publish the RSS, people subscribe? So, is JD hinting at some kind of 'understanding'  between industry members about subscribing to each others RSS feeds or something ?

[Summit]

I don't know anything about RSS or the regulations that ought to protect the distributed material and then not. Maybe like GUTB said this guy Dorgay just had a mental meltdown. Anyway his letters to Chris was totally out of line and he should apologias. I think that even if one has the right on his/her side sometimes not feeding the fire instantly with more fuel is the best for everyone in the long run.    

[james45974]

4 hours ago, bibo01 said:

If I were in Chris' position, I would abide to remove the link to TONEAudio site, when he removes his RSS subscription.

Sensible, it has done nothing but clutter up CA with useless stuff available easily elsewhere, try Daily Audiophile.  No need for the duplication.

[arcman]

Actually, I really do not care about the other stuff...I just found it unprofessional to post the emails no matter how unprofessional the sender. Maybe I'm an old fart...I'm just amazed how people can't handle conflict these days. 

[firedog]

3 minutes ago, arcman said:

Actually, I really do not care about the other stuff...I just found it unprofessional to post the emails no matter how unprofessional the sender. Maybe I'm an old fart...I'm just amazed how people can't handle conflict these days. 

Maybe. The modern rule is: don't text or email anything you wouldn't want to be made public. You have zero control of what happens to it once you click the button. 

[Jud]

It's a very simple thing for anyone who is reading this to install a feed reader and see how they work.  It would really help you to see what this is all about.

 

Plus you get a free subscription to all the content in Tone Audio!  ? 

[firedog]

1 hour ago, james45974 said:

Sensible, it has done nothing but clutter up CA with useless stuff available easily elsewhere, try Daily Audiophile.  No need for the duplication.

I put the whole thread on ignore. No clutter. I scroll thru it once a week to see if there is something I want to read. 

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

2 minutes ago, firedog said:

I put the whole thread on ignore. No clutter. I scroll thru it once a week to see if there is something I want to read. 

 

That's a good idea

[mav52]

Tone Audio knows they are providing a RSS feed, but it appears to me, its set up to allow all content not just shorts of a article.  IF this was my site, I'd take the high road and move on.