MQA is Vaporware

[gdpr]

2 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

You are misleading here. I did not imply that good discussion was not possible with Chris in the room.

Your mirror must be in anxious anticipation every morning for you looking into it. 

Dirk

[rickca]

Anything but good press about MQA is fake news, right Lee?  Where have I heard that before?

[Samuel T Cogley]

12 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

You are misleading here. I did not imply that good discussion was not possible with Chris in the room.

 

You said yourself that the discussion was "good" once all MQA dissent was removed from the room.  If this isn't a stark indication that you have a pro-MQA agenda, I don't know what is.

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Chris, link to a copy of your slide deck and I will point out areas I felt were biased.

 

 

 

[Sonicularity]

7 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

You said yourself that the discussion was "good" once all MQA dissent was removed from the room.  If this isn't a stark indication that you have a pro-MQA agenda, I don't know what is.

 

Dissent is a bit harsh of a term.  What I saw were just objective discoveries that could have been discussed and possibly explained by some of those present in the audience.  Instead, we got a rant as Dick Cheney could expect at a Berkley graduation ceremony.

[Jud]

4 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

You are misleading here. I did not imply that good discussion was not possible with Chris in the room.

 

Wow.

 

Chris's presentation was "biased;" you objected to @firedog's evaluation of the presentation as not allowing for good discussion because he wasn't there afterward; the discussion afterward was a key part of the experience because it was so good; but none of this is supposed to imply that good conversation wasn't possible when Chris was in the room presenting his "biased" ideas.

 

The contortions you go through to avoid acknowledging the plain meaning of what you say, and to describe others' understandings of that plain meaning as "misleading," are remarkable. I have now seen you do this very same thing with regard to whether Pro Tools is capable of producing high resolution tracks; whether others in the business foresaw financial problems from LHL's extensive use of crowdfunding; and the quality of Chris's presentation at RMAF. Because of this refusal to admit any least fault, the potential value of your contribution to these forums is greatly diminished.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, Sonicularity said:

 

Dissent is a bit harsh of a term.  What I saw were just objective discoveries that could have been discussed and possibly explained by some of those present in the audience.  Instead, we got a rant as Dick Cheney could expect at a Berkley graduation ceremony.

Does that make me Dick Cheney?

[Sonicularity]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Does that make me Dick Cheney?

 

Sorry, no....unless you have shot somebody in the face in a hunting "accident."

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, Sonicularity said:

 

Sorry, no....unless you have shot somebody in the face in a hunting "accident."

ha!

[Allan F]

17 minutes ago, Jud said:

The contortions you go through to avoid acknowledging the plain meaning of what you say, and to describe others' understandings of that plain meaning as "misleading," are remarkable. I have now seen you do this very same thing with regard to whether Pro Tools is capable of producing high resolution tracks; whether others in the business foresaw financial problems from LHL's extensive use of crowdfunding; and the quality of Chris's presentation at RMAF. Because of this refusal to admit any least fault, the potential value of your contribution to these forums is greatly diminished.

 

[FredericV]

52 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

You are misleading here.

Please buy a big mirror

[Samuel T Cogley]

40 minutes ago, Sonicularity said:

 

Dissent is a bit harsh of a term.  What I saw were just objective discoveries that could have been discussed and possibly explained by some of those present in the audience.  Instead, we got a rant as Dick Cheney could expect at a Berkley graduation ceremony.

 

What I saw was an MQA contingent utterly unwilling to discuss anything technical and ham-handedly attempting to shoot all MQA skeptics with Cheney's (metaphoric of course) shotgun.  The amount of time the MQA people wanted to spend on Archimago's anonymity whilst actively avoiding any technical discussions of MQA was a big "tell" for me.  Those MQA guys are terrible poker players.

[Rt66indierock]

1 hour ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

You said yourself that the discussion was "good" once all MQA dissent was removed from the room.  If this isn't a stark indication that you have a pro-MQA agenda, I don't know what is.

 

All the dissent wasn't gone. I didn't say anything because if people want to shoot themselves in the foot I'm going to let them. In fact I was passing out ammunition the night  before. Derek went off like clockwork.  Lee knew I had a notebook full of documentation because we talked as well. What he told the MQA people I don't know but I got the visual I wanted.

[rickca]

47 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

Derek went off like clockwork.

Derek made the whole thing memorable.  He deserves an award as Best Supporting Actor.    

[Rt66indierock]

7 minutes ago, rickca said:

Derek made the whole thing memorable.  He deserves an award as Best Supporting Actor.    

 

I will buy him a drink the next time I see him.

[Lee Scoggins]

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

 

 

 

Is there a link to the RMAF slides herein?

[Lee Scoggins]

2 hours ago, mansr said:

To paraphrase, by your own admission, you chose to be bullies rather than engage meaningfully with Chris.

 

Where did I say that?  I felt there was a meaningful exchange.  I simply pointed out that there was no DRM music issued to date since Chris did not address that on his slides when on the DRM topic. It was a valid counterpoint to his slide.

[Lee Scoggins]

2 hours ago, Jud said:

 

Wow.

 

Chris's presentation was "biased;" you objected to @firedog's evaluation of the presentation as not allowing for good discussion because he wasn't there afterward; the discussion afterward was a key part of the experience because it was so good; but none of this is supposed to imply that good conversation wasn't possible when Chris was in the room presenting his "biased" ideas.

 

The contortions you go through to avoid acknowledging the plain meaning of what you say, and to describe others' understandings of that plain meaning as "misleading," are remarkable. I have now seen you do this very same thing with regard to whether Pro Tools is capable of producing high resolution tracks; whether others in the business foresaw financial problems from LHL's extensive use of crowdfunding; and the quality of Chris's presentation at RMAF. Because of this refusal to admit any least fault, the potential value of your contribution to these forums is greatly diminished.

 

Jud, you are confusing my view that Chris had biased slides with a point I never made, that no good discussion with Chris was possible.  Indeed I think we made a point, which Chris acknowledged, that no DRM music had been issued.  

[kumakuma]

25 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Is there a link to the RMAF slides herein?

 

Here you go:

 

https://cdn.computeraudiophile.com/tmp/mqa.pdf

[FredericV]

47 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

blah blah blah ..... that no DRM music had been issued.  

 

Clearly MQA is managing your rights.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Is there a link to the RMAF slides herein?

You didn’t click the link. 

[tmtomh]

2 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

Jud, you are confusing my view that Chris had biased slides with a point I never made, that no good discussion with Chris was possible.  Indeed I think we made a point, which Chris acknowledged, that no DRM music had been issued.  

 

Again, MQA is a DRM'd format. The potential of the MQA design/spec to include one or more additional forms of DRM is irrelevant. No MQA music with that additional DRM has been issued, true. But DRM music has been issued in MQA format - because all MQA music is DRM'd, by virtue of the format's design.

[Sonicularity]

23 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You didn’t click the link. 

 

Geez, give him a break.  He is obviously not the brains behind this duplicitous ploy; he needs to consult the experts first before responding.

[Lee Scoggins]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You didn’t click the link. 

 

I did.  It took me to a multi-page discussion.

[Lee Scoggins]

3 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

Here you go:

 

https://cdn.computeraudiophile.com/tmp/mqa.pdf

 

Thanks!