kumakuma Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: I did. It took me to a multi-page discussion. Deleted Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post beetlemania Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 Surprised to see ths thread still active. Talk about beating a dead horse! Stick a fork in MQA already. With Qobuz online, getting ready to cancel Tidal. Even JA has gone dark. But tip o’ the hat to Lee Scoggins for doggedly rearranging the deck chairs . . . Hugo9000, MikeyFresh and crenca 1 2 Roon ROCK (Roon 1.7; NUC7i3) > Ayre QB-9 Twenty > Ayre AX-5 Twenty > Thiel CS2.4SE (crossovers rebuilt with Clarity CSA and Multicap RTX caps, Mills MRA-12 resistors; ERSE and Jantzen coils; Cardas binding posts and hookup wire); Cardas and OEM power cables, interconnects, and speaker cables Link to comment
FredericV Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 OMG facebook is thinking this reply is spam, in a topic where Mark Waldrep is also present: Now some junkie is going to review my post:https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/02/25/2247249/facebook-moderators-are-routinely-high-and-joke-about-suicide-to-cope-with-job-says-report MikeyFresh 1 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 MQA is best 😀 A Comparison of SACD vs MQA In Physical Format https://audiophilereview.com/cd-dac-digital/a-comparison-of-sacd-vs-mqa-in-physical-format.html MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Rt66indierock Posted February 27, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, R1200CL said: MQA is best 😀 A Comparison of SACD vs MQA In Physical Format https://audiophilereview.com/cd-dac-digital/a-comparison-of-sacd-vs-mqa-in-physical-format.html You should read the comments. Don Blas De Lezo and MikeyFresh 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post FredericV Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: You should read the comments. So he is comparing the sound of a budget multi-player which sells for 800 $ vs an MQA dac which goes for 19.995,00 US$ ??? If this is the case: this test is flawed. The much more upmarket DAC should sound a lot better than the integrated DAC in his multiplayer. Quote >Amp, Preamp, DAC - Esoteric AO2, CO2, DO2>CD Player- Cambridge Audio Azur 751 BD>CD Player Interconnects- Nordost Valhalla 2>For MQA- DAC was a Berkeley Reference Series 2 w/ MQA Upgrade>Streaming Device- Bluesound Node 2>Streaming Digital Cable- Nordost Tyr 2 (BNC to RCA)>All Other Cabling- Nordost Odin and Odin 2 throughout >Speakers- KEF Blade Graphite>Speaker Footers- (8) IsoAcoustics Gaia 1>Speaker Platforms- (2) Symposium Super Plus>Subwoofers- (2) REL G1 Mark II>Subwoofers Speaker Cables- (2) REL Baseline Blue>Subwoofer Power Cord- (2) Nordost Valhalla 2>Power Purification: Nordost QX4 Power Purifier, (2) QBASE Qb8 Mark II Power Distribution Blocks, (2) Nordost Qv2 Line Stabilizers, QK1 Line Enhancer>System Grounding- Nordost QKORE 6 w/QKORE Ground wires to all major components, Nordost QLINE Chassis ground wires between all major components >Vibration Absorption Devices- (8) Stillpoints Ultra 6 w/Base, (4) Stillpoints Ultra SS w/Base, (4) Stillpoints LPI, (1) Symposium Super Plus Platform, (16) Nordost Bronze Sort Kones>Room Treatments- GIK: (4) Bass Traps (custom sized), (12) 242 Absorption Panels, (18) Combination Absorption & Diffusion Panels w/2A and 4A Design Sequence, (4) Poly Fusor Diffusion Panels, and (4) Gotham N23 5" Quadratic Diffusion Panels, (12) Synergistic UEF Acoustical Panels and (2) Synergistic FEQ Frequency Equalizer>Electrical- Dedicated Outlets w/Furtech GTX-D Gold Receptacles, GTX Wall Frames, & 104-D Carbon Fiber Covers The sound difference is most likely because of the DAC difference and not because of MQA. He should do the test between SACD and MQA on the same DAC. MikeyFresh and Teresa 1 1 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, FredericV said: So he is comparing the sound of a budget multi-player which sells for 800 $ vs an MQA dac which goes for 19.995,00 US$ ??? If this is the case: this test is flawed. Flawed testimg and reasoning is what makes Paul a fun read. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
FredericV Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said: Flawed testimg and reasoning is what makes Paul a fun read. Correct test: - take a PS3 FAT model with old firmware and rip the SACD to a DSD file - take the MQA file play both via an MQA + DSD enabled dac, e.g. any recent mytek. That test would be more fair. But getting the PS3 to do that is hard work for the non-technical. I once did it to have a backup of my legally owned SACD's. Easier would be an oppo which can play both SACD and MQA, but I'm not sure the DSD stays native DSD inside the oppo. Most multiplayers convert it to PCM. Older oppo's even did SACD -> PCM on their HDMI outputs, I had an older oppo dvd player with great PQ who had that feature. Teresa 1 Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, FredericV said: Correct test: - take a PS3 with old firmware and rip the DSD to a file - take the MQA file play both via an MQA + DSD enabled dac, e.g. any recent mytek. That test would be more fair. Agreed I miss the PlayStation I used to have in my office. Link to comment
Hugo9000 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 6 hours ago, FredericV said: OMG facebook is thinking this reply is spam, in a topic where Mark Waldrep is also present: Now some junkie is going to review my post:https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/02/25/2247249/facebook-moderators-are-routinely-high-and-joke-about-suicide-to-cope-with-job-says-report You probably triggered this from facebook by using the words "hack," "data," and "scam," following those words with a link haha! 请教别人一次是5分钟的傻子,从不请教别人是一辈子的傻子 Link to comment
daverich4 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 hours ago, FredericV said: Correct test: - take a PS3 FAT model with old firmware and rip the SACD to a DSD file - take the MQA file play both via an MQA + DSD enabled dac, e.g. any recent mytek. That test would be more fair. But getting the PS3 to do that is hard work for the non-technical. I once did it to have a backup of my legally owned SACD's. Easier would be an oppo which can play both SACD and MQA, but I'm not sure the DSD stays native DSD inside the oppo. Most multiplayers convert it to PCM. Older oppo's even did SACD -> PCM on their HDMI outputs, I had an older oppo dvd player with great PQ who had that feature. There are a lot easier ways to rip SACD’s now. FredericV 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said: I did. It took me to a multi-page discussion. You need to click the correct link. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: You need to click the correct link. Can you make a video tutorial? Kyhl, Ralf11, SilvesterH and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, mansr said: Can you make a video tutorial? I thought about it. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
botrytis Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I found the link but maybe because I have a PhD, is what makes it possible. 😁 crenca 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
tmtomh Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 11:57 AM, Lee Scoggins said: Chris, link to a copy of your slide deck and I will point out areas I felt were biased. Here is the direct link to the PDF of the slides: https://cdn.computeraudiophile.com/tmp/mqa.pdf Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 To anyone expecting Scoggins to actually engage in a back and forth regarding his allegations of bias in Chris' RMAF MQA slides, you might be left wanting. Based on years of experience watching Scoggins posting in audio forums, I believe he will just level the accusation of bias and then go quiet until another opportunity to advocate for MQA presents itself in the forum (which pretty much summarizes his posting history here save for a few posts where he advocates shills for Shunyata, Audioquest, and Black Cat Cable). I've never seen Scoggins engage in an actual debate. In my humble opinion, he's using this forum to show the "captains of audio industry" that he is a reliable stooge. And for those who believe the word "stooge" is inflammatory or otherwise "uncivil", I urge you to consult a dictionary. I think you'll find it is apropos to the discussion. And after that, if you're still uncomfortable with that word, perhaps "lickspittle" might be a bit more palatable. 😃 MikeyFresh and Hugo9000 1 1 Link to comment
Sonicularity Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: To anyone expecting Scoggins to actually engage in a back and forth regarding his allegations of bias in Chris' RMAF MQA slides, you might be left wanting. Based on years of experience watching Scoggins posting in audio forums, I believe he will just level the accusation of bias and then go quiet until another opportunity to advocate for MQA presents itself in the forum (which pretty much summarizes his posting history here save for a few posts where he advocates shills for Shunyata, Audioquest, and Black Cat Cable). I've never seen Scoggins engage in an actual debate. In my humble opinion, he's using this forum to show the "captains of audio industry" that he is a reliable stooge. And for those who believe the word "stooge" is inflammatory or otherwise "uncivil", I urge you to consult a dictionary. I think you'll find it is apropos to the discussion. And after that, if you're still uncomfortable with that word, perhaps "lickspittle" might be a bit more palatable. 😃 It is classic influencer marketing behavior. Link to comment
Tintinabulum Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 It takes all sorts to make the world go round even lickspittles. Everyone should have the opportunity to make fools of themselves but more importantly to have a voice, irritating or otherwise... If a wise man talks to a fool, he becomes yet wiser. So I've said my piece. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 closer, but still misses the mendacious drive which must exist behind the veneer of mis-direction Link to comment
crenca Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Guerrilla marketer Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said: To anyone expecting Scoggins to actually engage in a back and forth regarding his allegations of bias in Chris' RMAF MQA slides, you might be left wanting. Based on years of experience watching Scoggins posting in audio forums, I believe he will just level the accusation of bias and then go quiet until another opportunity to advocate for MQA presents itself in the forum (which pretty much summarizes his posting history here save for a few posts where he advocates shills for Shunyata, Audioquest, and Black Cat Cable). I've never seen Scoggins engage in an actual debate. In my humble opinion, he's using this forum to show the "captains of audio industry" that he is a reliable stooge. And for those who believe the word "stooge" is inflammatory or otherwise "uncivil", I urge you to consult a dictionary. I think you'll find it is apropos to the discussion. And after that, if you're still uncomfortable with that word, perhaps "lickspittle" might be a bit more palatable. 😃 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: "reliable stooge" is much too kind 1 hour ago, mansr said: Useful idiot? 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: closer, but still misses the mendacious drive which must exist behind the veneer of mis-direction 1 hour ago, crenca said: Guerrilla marketer Recommended: Ad Hominem Arguments (Studies in Rhetoric and Communication) by Douglas Walton Here's a link to the book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Hominem-Arguments-Studies-Rhetoric-Communication/dp/0817355618 Not nearly as helpful, but for those with short attention spans: Paul R and Lee Scoggins 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: Recommended: Ad Hominem Arguments (Studies in Rhetoric and Communication) by Douglas Walton Here's a link to the book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Hominem-Arguments-Studies-Rhetoric-Communication/dp/0817355618 Not nearly as helpful, but for those with short attention spans: Oh no! It's Latin! kumakuma, Samuel T Cogley, MikeyFresh and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I'd just like to point out that Civility Scold is also a thing. "Same scold, different robes" 😉 And as long as we're on about ad hominem, is it ad hominem when the target of ridicule is demonstrably a stooge or engages in disingenuous "internet influencer" behavior? MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted February 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2019 You guys really have lost the plot when the best that you can presently come up with to stall the insidious advance of an unwanted, and technically and audibly flawed money making scheme for a few, is to keep attacking the credibility of somebody who has very little influence (if any) in it's acceptability to the general public. Jud, fas42, daverich4 and 2 others 2 3 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
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