Master Clock for your EtherREGEN

[R1200CL]

Good documentation with this item. 

Scan 29 Apr 2021 at 18.34.pdf

[R1200CL]

45 minutes ago, MartinT said:

You did even better than me (for a King) of -108dB and -138dB respectively.

 

I'm very happy with it.

Did you open it ?

[MartinT]

6 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

Did you open it ?

 

To look inside?  I confess that I was in too much of a hurry to get it hooked up.  Now that I've listened to it, I'm even more reluctant to disconnect it for any reason!

 

Also, I would honour Adrian's wishes not to publish internal photos.

[R1200CL]

1 minute ago, MartinT said:

Also, I would honour Adrian's wishes not to publish internal photos.

He hasn’t asked that.  Actually people should know what they’re buying. 
 

You will be surprised what’s inside 😀

Very. 

[MartinT]

4 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

He hasn’t asked that.  Actually people should know what they’re buying. 
 

You will be surprised what’s inside 😀

 

 

Actually, I doubt it.  More to the point, though, having heard what it does I really don't care what's inside.

[PYP]

42 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

You will be surprised what’s inside 😀

Very. 

especially the power supply:  

 

[Clockmeister]

Possibly why Martin's is producing some good results could be his is using an after-market PSU?

 

 

 

[PYP]

3 minutes ago, Clockmeister said:

Possibly why Martin's is producing some good results could be his is using an after-market PSU?

Important to remember when budgeting for a clock.  An SMPS does not reveal the potential of the clock.  I tend to think of my clock/LPS as one piece of gear.  

[Clockmeister]

42 minutes ago, PYP said:

Important to remember when budgeting for a clock.  An SMPS does not reveal the potential of the clock.  I tend to think of my clock/LPS as one piece of gear.  

 

Hello Philip

 

I would not disagree here, also you have to take into account the previous performance of the previous clock you were using, (which also used that PSU) so if all things are equal  (cabling and power) then the upgrade must come from the clock logic would dictate.

 

Remember being mildly disappointed with the CS Op21A, however a quality power supply fixed that, no matter how many LT3045 you use in parallel the INCOMING rail noise and circuit board layout it still the key imho

 

I could site one very famous high end manufacturer who uses banks of 2.5Vdc super capacitors in parallel to achieve the desired 12Vdc output hummmmmmmmmmmmm possibly not the way for a few of us!

[GMG]

On 2/27/2021 at 1:04 PM, MartinT said:

Thank you for comparing the BG7 with the Afterdark Giesemann.  I am sufficiently intrigued that I will make contact later in the year.  Right now, though, I have blown my hi-fi savings on the last of the Coherent power cables and am enjoying my system very much.

 

Regards

Martin

@MartinT looks like the itch was to strong on you 😀

Enjoy the new addition 

[MartinT]

5 minutes ago, GMG said:

@MartinT looks like the itch was to strong on you 😀

Enjoy the new addition 

 

Yes, it was. Not very expensive, though, in the context of my system.

[MarkusBarkus]

4 hours ago, R1200CL said:

4 hours ago, MartinT said:

 

He hasn’t asked that.  Actually people should know what they’re buying. 
 

You will be surprised what’s inside 😀

Very. 

@R1200CL IMO you have (multiple times) implied that the AfterDark products are not what they are advertised to be, and that there is some level of deception on their part.

 

Do you have specific, factual support for these comments or not? 
 

If so, it's a service to the community and to potential buyers. If you do not have such information, maybe you might consider discontinuing your negative campaign. I mean, you're kind of pissing on the guy's front lawn, right? Am I misinterpreting your comments somehow?

[PYP]

11 hours ago, Clockmeister said:

From looking at the chaps posting on here with the equipment in the signature they are a couple with top quality sounding clock cables I have listened to, most of you will not wish to go to that level. However using something similar to above which will cost around between £75 and £125 will sound damn good for your applications more so than most up to £600 mark imho.

 

Would you be willing to mention the brands of terminated cables in that price bracket?   

[MasterWarzombie]

12 hours ago, R1200CL said:

He hasn’t asked that.  Actually people should know what they’re buying. 
 

You will be surprised what’s inside 😀

Very. 

Have you received your Afterdark Clock?

Why must we be surprised from the inside? please specify for the AS community

Without having opened it, the case is very light. it does not heat up, as if besides it was not lit (besides no indicator light on the box) but Afterdark specified that the clock was optimized
I trust Afterdark for failing to look at what's inside and I'm not sure I actually understand what's inside

[R1200CL]

13 hours ago, MartinT said:

More to the point, though, having heard what it does I really don't care what's inside.

Interesting POW.
If you’re buying a 911 with a beetle engine, but the HP is stated to be 300, (equal to an original 911), I wonder if you would say the same 😀

[Confused]

18 hours ago, Clockmeister said:

From looking at the chaps posting on here with the equipment in the signature they are a couple with top quality sounding clock cables I have listened to, most of you will not wish to go to that level. However using something similar to above which will cost around between £75 and £125 will sound damn good for your applications more so than most up to £600 mark imho.

Have you had any experience of the Habst Digital?  At one time it seemed to be the subjectively preferred cable of choice over in the "novel" thread.  (It is most definitely in the "less affordable" category though)

[MartinT]

2 hours ago, R1200CL said:

Interesting POW.
If you’re buying a 911 with a beetle engine, but the HP is stated to be 300, (equal to an original 911), I wonder if you would say the same 😀

 

That's a poor comparison.  If  drove the 911, I would know something was wrong immediately.

 

I've listened to the AfterDark and have only admiration for the sound quality I'm achieving.

 

I've asked you before: have you actually listened to your AfterDark?

[R1200CL]

2 minutes ago, MartinT said:

I've asked you before: have you actually listened to your AfterDark?

Not, yet. 

[Clockmeister]

9 hours ago, PYP said:

Would you be willing to mention the brands of terminated cables in that price bracket?   

 

Hello Philip

 

We use an awful lot of clock cables in the studio, well over 100, we have tried many different brands over the years, including some exotic 'samples' certain brands gave a more etch sound high lighting leading definition, other were homogenized. 

Some really excelled at spatial information and instrument placement.

 

All I can say is that certain well know branded cables use cables form other manufacturers with their own connectors, these are easily distinguishable as coming form a particular cable originator despite having different 'brands' stamped on them.

 

Interesting our top lab cables (which do cost almost as much as silly high end cables) measure superbly as in image one of my previous posts yet sound good but not nearly as good as the one on the last image which is obviously 'not as good' looking a square wave form.

 

Which one could you live with, depends on what you are wishing to achieve, if you are looking for a musical, fluid articulate and natural flowing presentation with a  noise floor below human hearing (providing your supporting equipment can match this of get close to the threshold of human hearing in terms of signal to noise ratio of 128dB) then you are looking at spending more. 

 

For the vast majority of listeners then the cable I suggested will do a damn fine job for a very sensible outlay.

 

What I can say cable wise (and we do not retail these cables either) is the Shunyata is one of the better cables  I have listened to. If you have the system and the speakers resolution then one of the top cables I have listened to is the absolute dream BNC. However it purchase cost outweighs may complete systems so it is excluded from this conversation.

 

I would also like to point out cables are very, very system dependent, cables should be used to compliment your systems attributes, not as a sticking plastic o cover over or smother an inherent issue.

 

Just remember what your clock is actually doing in your system, it is supplying an independent reference signal to slave/time all of your associated digital replay system.

So in an idea world you would have zero compromises in the clock transmission line, so impedance matching from the start of the circuit to the destination of it or as close to no compromise as humanly possible, so zero adapters, impedance converters, splitters or non cables of the same stable. Just some observations I have made over the years. 

 

 

[Johnnydev]

It doesn't matter to me at all.
Even if there would be shit in it. As long as it doesn't stink, it lives up to the promised measurements and the promised sound improvements.
@ 1200, I also don't know what you would like to achieve with all of this?

[R1200CL]

11 hours ago, MarkusBarkus said:

If so, it's a service to the community and to potential buyers.

It seems people isn’t much interested in knowing what’s inside the box.

Do you have an AfterDark clock your self ?

 

I like to see others post their measurements from AfterDark. Mine attached. 
 

Scan 30 Apr 2021 at 11.42.pdf

[MartinT]

 

32 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

 

I like to see others post their measurements from AfterDark. Mine attached. 
 

I can scan and post mine when I get home.

[Johnnydev]

46 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

It seems people isn’t much interested in knowing what’s inside the box.

Do you have an AfterDark clock your self ?

 

I like to see others post their measurements from AfterDark. Mine attached. 
 

Scan 30 Apr 2021 at 11.42.pdf 1.24 MB · 2 downloads

 

I've had my EVA playing for a week now and my smile is getting wider and bigger every day

meetresultaten afterdark giesemann EVA.pdf

[GMG]

58 minutes ago, Clockmeister said:

 

Hello Philip

 

We use an awful lot of clock cables in the studio, well over 100, we have tried many different brands over the years, including some exotic 'samples' certain brands gave a more etch sound high lighting leading definition, other were homogenized. 

Some really excelled at spatial information and instrument placement.

 

All I can say is that certain well know branded cables use cables form other manufacturers with their own connectors, these are easily distinguishable as coming form a particular cable originator despite having different 'brands' stamped on them.

 

Interesting our top lab cables (which do cost almost as much as silly high end cables) measure superbly as in image one of my previous posts yet sound good but not nearly as good as the one on the last image which is obviously 'not as good' looking a square wave form.

 

Which one could you live with, depends on what you are wishing to achieve, if you are looking for a musical, fluid articulate and natural flowing presentation with a  noise floor below human hearing (providing your supporting equipment can match this of get close to the threshold of human hearing in terms of signal to noise ratio of 128dB) then you are looking at spending more. 

 

For the vast majority of listeners then the cable I suggested will do a damn fine job for a very sensible outlay.

 

What I can say cable wise (and we do not retail these cables either) is the Shunyata is one of the better cables  I have listened to. If you have the system and the speakers resolution then one of the top cables I have listened to is the absolute dream BNC. However it purchase cost outweighs may complete systems so it is excluded from this conversation.

 

I would also like to point out cables are very, very system dependent, cables should be used to compliment your systems attributes, not as a sticking plastic o cover over or smother an inherent issue.

 

Just remember what your clock is actually doing in your system, it is supplying an independent reference signal to slave/time all of your associated digital replay system.

So in an idea world you would have zero compromises in the clock transmission line, so impedance matching from the start of the circuit to the destination of it or as close to no compromise as humanly possible, so zero adapters, impedance converters, splitters or non cables of the same stable. Just some observations I have made over the years. 

 

 

interesting, but for me it just iterates John’s statement in his white paper that life is simpler with a sine wave clock, with which the cable is far less of a factor compared to a square wave

[Iving]

49 minutes ago, GMG said:

interesting, but for me it just iterates John’s statement in his white paper that life is simpler with a sine wave clock, with which the cable is far less of a factor compared to a square wave

 

Just to add context by way of conclusion of the white paper:

 

I read this to mean that Sine with Filter is a (theoretical) hedge for those uncertain of the properties and credentials of their equipment.

 

Sticking my neck out a little, I also guess that the ER likes Square - and that if you can get a compatible (not necessarily oscilloscope-perfect) Square input you are better off than with Sine +/or Filter (in which case cables matter as presently discussed - and for all I know are not completely "agnostic" wrt Sine).

 

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I don't believe that the fat lady has yet begun regards listening experiences with the Filter. I may have missed something.