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Hi John,

 

Thanks a million for the detailed and clear sharing !!

 

Understand completely that the unit is not suitable for our audio application but indeed very nice to learn about GPSDO and what it does in getting cheap near atomic clock accurracy.

 

Thanks again and as usual, I enjoy your teaching.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

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If someone is interested in a cheap alternative to the Chinese clock MartinT has started this thread with, here is what I use with great satisfaction:

Constant Temperatur Crystal OCXO 10Mhz 0.01PPM 2 Channel Output.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/184296816517

For me it has the advantage to only need 5v. So if there isn´t a LPSU 5v at hand, this clock can be powered with an USB output. At the moment I am using a power bank for that purpose after those flimsy cords (to be seen on 1 picture) have been replaced by a 2.5mm connector. Moreover there is no need to worry about BNC-cables. My external clock is attached to the ER with rigid BNC adaptors that I bought here:

https://www.amazon.de/YILIANDUO-Connector-Handfunkelektronik-Kamerascanner-Funkgeräte/dp/B07K1XHQQ9/ref=pb_allspark_dp_session_sims_pao_desktop_4/257-6201746-3777357?pd_rd_w=4KKjI&pf_rd_p=d0ecb613-4040-45f8-b335-5cd8ff54c281&pf_rd_r=67FX574W6WVKDWQMF3ZC&pd_rd_r=4f9712a8-6ae9-4e74-a428-29037f62fe41&pd_rd_wg=We0wC&pd_rd_i=B07K1XHQQ9&psc=1

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Uwe

 

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@alsterfan

Did you open up the clock and verify what brand and model is inside ?

 

5V is a nice option. I think even the clocks AfterDark is selling can be ordered from the manufacturers at 5 VDC. Maybe he isn’t interested in offering that, since he is also selling a (no name/rebranded) 12V power supply. 

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32 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

@alsterfan

Did you open up the clock and verify what brand and model is inside ?

 

No I didn´t the modification myself. However since I have ordered the same clock again which then will have to be modified too I might ask my friend to take a picture to show what is inside the tiny case.

 

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36 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

What modification ?

As I mentioned before,"those flimsy cords (to be seen on 1 picture) have been replaced by a 2.5mm connector."

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44 minutes ago, alsterfan said:

As I mentioned before,"those flimsy cords (to be seen on 1 picture) have been replaced by a 2.5mm connector."

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Wouldn’t 2.1 mm be a better choice, as this is more in line with the “standard” ?

 

You know you easily can operate a screwdriver yourself and discover the inside ? 😀

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5 hours ago, alsterfan said:

If someone is interested in a cheap alternative to the Chinese clock MartinT has started this thread with, here is what I use with great satisfaction:

Constant Temperatur Crystal OCXO 10Mhz 0.01PPM 2 Channel Output.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/184296816517

For me it has the advantage to only need 5v. So if there isn´t a LPSU 5v at hand, this clock can be powered with an USB output. At the moment I am using a power bank for that purpose after those flimsy cords (to be seen on 1 picture) have been replaced by a 2.5mm connector. Moreover there is no need to worry about BNC-cables. My external clock is attached to the ER with rigid BNC adaptors that I bought here:

https://www.amazon.de/YILIANDUO-Connector-Handfunkelektronik-Kamerascanner-Funkgeräte/dp/B07K1XHQQ9/ref=pb_allspark_dp_session_sims_pao_desktop_4/257-6201746-3777357?pd_rd_w=4KKjI&pf_rd_p=d0ecb613-4040-45f8-b335-5cd8ff54c281&pf_rd_r=67FX574W6WVKDWQMF3ZC&pd_rd_r=4f9712a8-6ae9-4e74-a428-29037f62fe41&pd_rd_wg=We0wC&pd_rd_i=B07K1XHQQ9&psc=1

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Uwe

 

 

Hi Uwe,

 

Any ideal if sine or square wave ?

 

Just spent last 6 hrs reading from initial post by Martin and I may have missed it ....

 

For me, I will not* likely be spending 3x "mid range double crown model" or more on clock from AD as compared to EtherRegen ... some improvement suffice for me as critical listening is via ssd in my antipodes cx server to ex player.

 

TIA and cheers.

 

Richard

 

*PS: unless superdad advises to my PM that I need another etherRegen between the Antipodes but will be a nightmare with all these boxes of reclocker, external clock, psu etc.

 

 

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Hi AD c/o Adrian,

 

What am I missing here ?

 

Cheaper to order from US dealer than directly from AD ? 

 

Shipping from AD HK cos much more than shipping within USA ? Or due to added "free" BNC cable especially with mentioned 10% audiophilestyle discount ?

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

 

 

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Hi! Richard, 

 

Thanks for your questions. We will have Singapore dealer soon, so it would be nice to approach our local dealer for best customer services. 

 

For US dealer, they are having speical discount to celebrate the Stereotime's review. So, the promotion is target to local customer only.

 

Hi! Alex, 

 

Sorry we should not make promotions here. Please feel free to delete the above post. 

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

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Amp: Goldmund 27+ EVO Preamp, Goldmund 29M Power Amp, Goldmund AC-Curator

DAC: Goldmund 21D Convertor Mono Block x 2 

Digital: Mutec MC3-USB,  AfterDark. Giesemann OCXO 10M Master Clock Giesemann EVA 

Playback: Goldmund PH3 Phono Amp, Linn LP12, Rovox PR99 MKII Open Reel

Digital Player: AfterDark. Rosanna Network Bridge x Roon Bridge OCXO Edition x JS-2

Dealer: SMSL, Gustard, Cybershaft, Pachanko Studio, UpTone Audio, Waversa, DELA

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Adrian,

 

Can the 75 Ohm Queen single-output square wave version be powered by a JS-2 using 12 volt output?

 

And can you verify the dimensions?

 

Thank you.   

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Hi! PYP,

 

The Giesemann clock can be powered by a JS-2 using 12V DC. It will work well and sounds great with JS-2.

 

The dimensions is 16cm x 12cm x 9cm. 
 

Thanks and have a nice day.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

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Playback: Goldmund PH3 Phono Amp, Linn LP12, Rovox PR99 MKII Open Reel

Digital Player: AfterDark. Rosanna Network Bridge x Roon Bridge OCXO Edition x JS-2

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And then there is rubidium clock version with Symmetricom X72 from hamradioshop and presumably which lower audio critical phase noise ?  150+ db at 10K as other rubidium clock/oscillator ?

 

Get the filter and we are all set ?

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

 

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21 hours ago, richard_crl032 said:

 

Hi Uwe,

 

Any ideal if sine or square wave ?

 

 

Sorry, I have no idea. Maybe there will be an indirect answer to your question, if the filter that John Swenson mentioned and that I am waiting for, will push SQ even more.

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Hello from Brazil.  I am new to the website and have been using the EtherRegen with good results for about a year now.  I used the UltraCap LPS 1.2 which brought a very slight improvement, but was not comfortable with the high running temperature of it.  Changed to an iFi iPower X (new version) which gave a better sound than the original power supply, does not get hot and has a low cost.  I understand its not linear, but it is a good quality switching power supply.

 

I would like to keep improving the EtherRegen, and read throughout the 59 pages but ended somewhat confused.  Apologizing in advance for the newbie question, can somebody suggest me what to buy to upgrade the sound of the EtherRegen?  I understand that a 10MHz clock, a cable, some filter/connectors, maybe a LPSU, but which of each?  Better bang for the buck appreciated, since I will most likely pay 100% tax over the item and freight costs. I would be very grateful for your suggestions. 

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Hi Billy,

 

Best bang for the bucks varies and differs from you and me  ...

 

Safe bet will be Afterdark Queens or recommended Double Crown version but get from USA since about 20% discount there is great.

 

Go cheap will be China's and the Aliexpress way with sine wave 10M and recommended filter on the EtherRegen's clock input while noting Martin had already shared that this is of lesser SQ... sine wave alleviates concern on clock cable or having those costing more than EtherRegen or AD clock and disregards if 50ohm or 75ohm impedence mismatch.

 

Consider my remark with care as I had also only finished my 6 hrs read up of these 59 pages of great sharing.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

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20 hours ago, alsterfan said:

Sorry, I have no idea. Maybe there will be an indirect answer to your question, if the filter that John Swenson mentioned and that I am waiting for, will push SQ even more.

 

Hi Alster,

 

My understanding is that filter is only for sine wave clock and of no impact if square wave ... hence my query.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

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2 hours ago, richard_crl032 said:

Safe bet will be Afterdark Queens or recommended Double Crown version but get from USA since about 20% discount there is great.


Is the dealer you refer to here called Ctronic Audio Labs? If so, are the prices on the website 20% off or do you need to contact them about this?

 

If not, who is the US dealer?

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5 hours ago, richard_crl032 said:

 

Hi Alster,

 

My understanding is that filter is only for sine wave clock and of no impact if square wave ... hence my query.

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

Yes I know, Richard, but although the technical data provided by the seller don´t have any information as to sine or square wave clock I decided to order the filter, which hopefully will be delivered within the next few days. I will share my experience with it thereafter.

Best,

Uwe

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3 hours ago, mfaoro said:


Is the dealer you refer to here called Ctronic Audio Labs? If so, are the prices on the website 20% off or do you need to contact them about this?

 

If not, who is the US dealer?

Hi mfaoro,

 

Affirmative @ usd565 with already included discount and cheers.

 

Richard

 

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24 minutes ago, richard_crl032 said:

Hi mfaoro,

 

Affirmative @ usd565 with already included discount and cheers.

 

Richard

 

Are you the proprietor on Ctronic?

 

Are there similar discounts on the other models? If I wanted a higher end model?

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Connected to back end by: Transparent Ethernet 

 

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31 minutes ago, mfaoro said:

Are you the proprietor on Ctronic?

 

Are there similar discounts on the other models? If I wanted a higher end model?

 

Oh no ! Pls contact ctronics.

 

Cheers.

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On 6/7/2021 at 7:11 PM, richard_crl032 said:

150+ db at 10K

Bad numbers. 
 

If it was 150 dBc at 10Hz, it would be very (extremely) good. 
 

On 6/7/2021 at 7:11 PM, richard_crl032 said:

Get the filter and we are all set ?

It may help. Most BG7TBL is 50 ohm natively. (As is AfterDark clocks). 
 

Standardize on 50 ohm is good. Not everyone agree. EtherRegen is also available in 50 ohm.

 

You may consider 5V clocks as maybe easier to power them. Same clock can sometimes be available as both 5 and 12 V.

 

I recommend the AfterDark version you can afford instead of BG7TBL 😀

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