MQA is Vaporware

[John Dyson]

4 hours ago, BassFace said:

I can't believe we're 954 pages into this.   You are all intelligent people who know their stuff. Its been established MQA is not what it seems or claims but here we are still bickering like Children. Grown Men sounding like they are still on the Playground.  I follow for factual reasons that were established a long time ago.

IMO: 

Even though the discussion seems like it goes on and on, I believe that it is important to keep this discussion active.   The MQA travesty needs active conversation so that new people (and the people from the past) never think that MQA has become acceptable for some reason.   It should never appear that the MQA advocacy has 'beaten' down the technically astute and those trying to maintain access to whatever quality is left on ubiquitous commercial recordings.

 

 

[MikeyFresh]

1 hour ago, John Dyson said:

IMO: 

Even though the discussion seems like it goes on and on, I believe that it is important to keep this discussion active.   The MQA travesty needs active conversation so that new people (and the people from the past) never think that MQA has become acceptable for some reason.   It should never appear that the MQA advocacy has 'beaten' down the technically astute and those trying to maintain access to whatever quality is left on ubiquitous commercial recordings.

 

 

Exactly, and there has been no "bickering like children" despite the recent ridiculous accusation of such. Further, if that post thinks it's so "simple", and all he need do is not use mQa, then goodie for him, however the greater fight remains quite important and present. Proof of that lies in what mQa has done to TIDAL, rendering it a non-choice for consumers. If everyone just sits back and takes the so-called "simple approach", we could lose other options too.

[Allan F]

13 hours ago, BassFace said:

I can't believe we're 954 pages into this.   You are all intelligent people who know their stuff. Its been established MQA is not what it seems or claims but here we are still bickering like Children. Grown Men sounding like they are still on the Playground.  I follow for factual reasons that were established a long time ago.

 

No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read this thread. If you don't like the childish "Playground", you can just leave the park. FYI, among your options is:

 

[UkPhil]

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Grab a pot of your best coffee 😁

[BassFace]

On 9/6/2021 at 9:23 PM, Allan F said:

 

No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read this thread. If you don't like the childish "Playground", you can just leave the park. FYI, among your options is:

 

Even your reply is predicable and boring much like half this thread.  Nothing new has been established for a while now and your still going after that guy John like kids are you not...........?

[firedog]

2 hours ago, BassFace said:

Even your reply is predicable and boring much like half this thread.  Nothing new has been established for a while now and your still going after that guy John like kids are you not...........?

And your posts are pointless-arguing for the sake of arguing. Do you think you are adding something of value?

You aren't.

Put the the thread on your ignore list if it bugs you so much. 

That's the adult thing to do.

[Allan F]

1 hour ago, firedog said:

And your posts are pointless-arguing for the sake of arguing. Do you think you are adding something of value?

You aren't.

Put the the thread on your ignore list if it bugs you so much. 

That's the adult thing to do.

 

@firedog

Sadly and eventually, when certain individuals won't take a friendly hint, there really is only one appropriate response:

 

 

[BassFace]

The same 7 or 8 people liking each other's post , big deal.  Step back and to the normal person that's all you's are all doing. Its not trolling its mere observation from outside the little clique which is paramount on most forums but off the charts in the world of Hi-Fi.  Of course your not going to agree with me, your all too busy posting silly pictures and clicking like.

[firedog]

5 minutes ago, BassFace said:

The same 7 or 8 people liking each other's post , big deal.  Step back and to the normal person that's all you's are all doing. Its not trolling its mere observation from outside the little clique which is paramount on most forums but off the charts in the world of Hi-Fi.  Of course your not going to agree with me, your all too busy posting silly pictures and clicking like.

ignore list

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, BassFace said:

Its not trolling its mere observation from outside the little clique

 

Feel free to offer opinions, but think about it. Do you ever walk into a party and tell people their conversation sucks and they are all childish because they aren't talking about it the way you wish? I sure hope not. If you do, there must be some other reason behind the behavior. To come here only to say what you've said I interesting. 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, BassFace said:

off the charts in the world of Hi-Fi

 

HiFi is 100% no different from any other hobby and is child's play compared to political forums. 

[MikeyFresh]

48 minutes ago, BassFace said:

The same 7 or 8 people liking each other's post , big deal.  Step back and to the normal person that's all you's are all doing. Its not trolling its mere observation from outside the little clique which is paramount on most forums but off the charts in the world of Hi-Fi.  Of course your not going to agree with me, your all too busy posting silly pictures and clicking like.

Funny then how you are willing to spend any time on it at all if that's your take. Or are you just trolling and attempting to derail this thread by saying stupid shit that people will react negatively too?

[The Computer Audiophile]

Based on @BassFace's other "contributions" to the community, he just might be that guy who walks into a party and tells everyone they are losers for not having a conversation in his own style. 

[UkPhil]

1 hour ago, BassFace said:

The same 7 or 8 people liking each other's post , big deal.  Step back and to the normal person that's all you's are all doing. Its not trolling its mere observation from outside the little clique which is paramount on most forums but off the charts in the world of Hi-Fi.  Of course your not going to agree with me, your all too busy posting silly pictures and clicking like.

I came to the this forum looking for answers, sometimes people can get heated in the debate but the wealth of info about MQA opened my eyes, yes I did go down the route of MQA for 18 months but I just wasn't comfortable with it and from the RMAF debacle and the shilling that went on Facebook sites only made me realise that the ultimate goal was to create a “one cap fits all” approach to file control giving no one any choice, restricting quality unless you pay the organ grinder for the keys to make so called better. The placebo effect is a clever thing it had me for a while but I got out, you can recreate better sound from standard free files if you want to, just use DSP / other filters and room treatment, the beauty of this you control it instead of being told this is what you should be listening to. Tidal have big issue now and with Spotify on the cusp of going lossless the mass market will be on a true PCM FLAC or ALAC, creating a monopoly on file control is not good for the consumer or new emerging technologies going forwards.

[Samuel T Cogley]

I have a little sympathy for @BassFace 's view of a "clique" at work here.  Presumably, I'm part of this pro-consumer clique.

 

There's audio playback software that uses this forum for its ad-hoc support system.  Significant changes get made to the software, sometimes to the point of removing core features (like drag-and-drop) and there's nary a peep from the software's devotees.  Drag-and-drop was added back in a later release, but you'd never know there was any dissent based on this forum's "support thread".  So yes, this forum can be rife with sycophancy at times.

 

Is there a link between consumerism and narcissism/sycophancy? 🙂

[Allan F]

2 hours ago, BassFace said:

The same 7 or 8 people liking each other's post , big deal.  Step back and to the normal person that's all you's are all doing. Its not trolling its mere observation from outside the little clique which is paramount on most forums but off the charts in the world of Hi-Fi.  Of course your not going to agree with me, your all too busy posting silly pictures and clicking like.

[Fast and Bulbous]

Well, well well... Never thought I would see this...

 

What HiFi - UK magazine that has been very positive about MQA, some would say suspiciously so, has just published an article about tech that is likely to become obsolete. Includes BluRay, CD, wired IEMs, music downloads. 

And..

MQA. Yep, really. Good news as far as I am concerned. May give others in the audio / music press the courage to tell it like it is. Well, you never know...

 

Here is the (very long) URL:

 

https://www.whathifi.com/features/the-tech-endangered-list-are-these-devices-and-formats-the-next-to-go?utm_source=SmartBrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=E632F623-34B1-4EBE-B56C-3D5896DC5E2A&utm_content=F859157B-285F-47A8-BD65-02C2F2721B68&utm_term=c4187c4a-d498-48ef-ae6a-f2d854d1917c

 

Oh, I don't subscribe to What HiFi - I just get emails from them. Honest. No, really. 

[BassFace]

4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Based on @BassFace's other "contributions" to the community, he just might be that guy who walks into a party and tells everyone they are losers for not having a conversation in his own style. 

No point in small talk anything of substance will have Frank trying to tell me otherwise.  Im still being told about MQA when Ive read the past 500+ pages of this topic Zzzzz  It hardly resembles a party on here either, just grumpy old men that does very little to inspire new people to join would be another observation. But I could be wrong..  

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, BassFace said:

But I could be wrong..

Based on the numbers, you are. 

[BassFace]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Based on the numbers, you are. 

Its a bit one sided though wouldnt you say...., after all Im up against a group of grumpy old men on my todd. 

[Confused]

9 minutes ago, BassFace said:

Its a bit one sided though wouldnt you say...., after all Im up against a group of grumpy old men on my todd. 

May I ask how old and cheerful you are?

[MikeyFresh]

15 minutes ago, BassFace said:

No point in small talk anything of substance will have Frank trying to tell me otherwise.  Im still being told about MQA when Ive read the past 500+ pages of this topic Zzzzz  It hardly resembles a party on here either, just grumpy old men that does very little to inspire new people to join would be another observation. But I could be wrong..  

You've completely dodged the direct question then of why you don't just ignore the topic. Why keep coming back just to troll and complain? Where is your own super compelling fresh new content?

[MikeyFresh]

11 minutes ago, BassFace said:

Its a bit one sided though wouldnt you say...., after all Im up against a group of grumpy old men on my todd. 

I'd ask you to define "old', or how it is you'd know any particular thread participant's age (you don't know my age for example), but then if I did I'd just be feeding the troll.

Talk about grumpy, pot calling the kettle black? 😖

[The Computer Audiophile]

The ageism is quite strange, especially given most of your ages are unknown to everyone here. 

[firedog]

1 hour ago, Fast and Bulbous said:

Well, well well... Never thought I would see this...

 

What HiFi - UK magazine that has been very positive about MQA, some would say suspiciously so, has just published an article about tech that is likely to become obsolete. Includes BluRay, CD, wired IEMs, music downloads. 

And..

MQA. Yep, really. Good news as far as I am concerned. May give others in the audio / music press the courage to tell it like it is. Well, you never know...

 

Here is the (very long) URL:

 

https://www.whathifi.com/features/the-tech-endangered-list-are-these-devices-and-formats-the-next-to-go?utm_source=SmartBrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=E632F623-34B1-4EBE-B56C-3D5896DC5E2A&utm_content=F859157B-285F-47A8-BD65-02C2F2721B68&utm_term=c4187c4a-d498-48ef-ae6a-f2d854d1917c

 

Oh, I don't subscribe to What HiFi - I just get emails from them. Honest. No, really. 

Of course, while saying it might disappear, they basically defend it as convenient hi-res without sonic compromise, and poo-poo Neil Young's claims that they denigrate his masters. 

[KeenObserver]

17 minutes ago, firedog said:

Of course, while saying it might disappear, they basically defend it as convenient hi-res without sonic compromise, and poo-poo Neil Young's claims that they denigrate his masters. 

 

Praised with faint damnation.