MQA is Vaporware

[March Audio]

On 5/29/2021 at 3:34 PM, lamode said:

When I told Amir that MQA had NOT provided reasonable explanations, this was his response:

 

 

Wow, he is really embarrassing himself and insulting his forum users in the process. "Meltdown" is an apt description.

Just read a bit of the thread.  His arguments in support MQA range from specious to plain insulting the intelligence of readers.  When cornered he literally insults people.

 

So apparently according to Amir MQA never claimed to be lossless, it's just apparently perceptually lossless and everyone misunderstood.  LMAO 😀

[Arg]

Well — MP3 or AAC can make that claim.

[Arg]

7 hours ago, KeenObserver said:

Something's coming down the line.

All the usual suspects are coming out of the woodwork.

Even Amir is spewing the BS company line.

Did his company sell someone big time on MQA?

Are they reaching the desperation point or is the next shoe ready to drop?

If they are going through this much effort to prop up MQA, they must be expecting to reap billions in profits. Billions that will be paid for by the music consumer.

 

This is just a conspiracy theory.

[KeenObserver]

56 minutes ago, Arg said:

 

This is just a conspiracy theory.

 

Amazing how many of these "conspiracy theories" come to fruition.

[KeenObserver]

To reiterate.

MQA wants to implement a business plan whereby they control the processing and distribution of music. They are backed by the three largest music studios who own stock in MQA. Every aspect of music distribution will be controlled by MQA, who will charge licensing fees on every aspect. This will open the door for the studios to implement DRM.

The music consumer will be getting a damaged product and will be paying heavily for the "privilege".

The carnival barkers will be telling you that you are getting "perceptually lossless" music.

The carnival barkers will be telling you that what you are getting is "better" than the original masters.

The carnival barkers are telling you to just submit.

[KeenObserver]

The whole concept of MQA was just a "conspiracy theory" in the mind of Bob Stuart at one time.

[botrytis]

I think BS is sore, his original idea for DVD-A audio, got shot down and this is his next chance at it.

 

[KeenObserver]

48 minutes ago, botrytis said:

I think BS is sore, his original idea for DVD-A audio, got shot down and this is his next chance at it.

 

 

I suspect that BS saw what Dolby did with the technology that Meridian sold them and figured that what Dolby did with video, they would do with audio. The problem is that compressing audio has become totally irrelevant. MQA had to add in that they "deblurred," they used "neuroscience" to make the master "better" than the original and other BS to make people believe that they were getting something worthwhile.

And now, MQA wants you to believe that lossless does not mean lossless, it means what MQA says it means.

Smoke and mirrors.

[KeenObserver]

And as much as MQA wants you to believe that MQA "corrects" errors made in mastering, no one would think of archiving their masters in MQA format.

[lucretius]

6 hours ago, March Audio said:

So apparently according to Amir MQA never claimed to be lossless, it's just apparently perceptually lossless and everyone misunderstood.  LMAO 

 

There's was one point where BS called it "analogue lossless", LOL.  The man just keeps making up new terms.

[lucretius]

3 hours ago, botrytis said:

I think BS is sore, his original idea for DVD-A audio, got shot down and this is his next chance at it.

 

 

BS is also sore that the reality and implementation of mQa didn't deliver on the conceptual idea he envisioned.  Nonetheless, he kept on soldiering on with this failed project.  He just kept talking conceptually with made-up terms, while avoiding any talk or presentation of any real implementation details and/or real tests or comparisons.

[UkPhil]

A lot of heated debate going on at ASR since @GoldenOnelatest video over the lossy / lossless perception of the codec

 

 

[Pro Jules]

On 4/8/2021 at 7:45 PM, bambadoo said:

New MQA kid on the block. THX this time

https://www.thx.com/onyx

 

 

 

 

 

876 pages here and we are all wrong. 

I just got one of these. Testing it out. Sounds quite good. (I don't use MQA though, I use Qobuz) 

 

Will compare it to the Luxury & Precision W2 dongle dac soon. 

 

Iphone 12Pro Max 

EMPIRE Ears Nemesis iems 

[KeenObserver]

1 hour ago, UkPhil said:

A lot of heated debate going on at ASR since @GoldenOnelatest video over the lossy / lossless perception of the codec

 

 

 

Amir seems to be going ballistic repeating all of BS's BS.

He is supporting Bob Stuart by appealing to authority, Bob Stuart.

If you question the word of God, you will be banned and cast into the fires of hell. You are merely "lay" people and he is the anointed "industrial insider".

There, and at a number of other sites, there seems to be a number of newly registered "influencers" posting about MQA.

This leads me to believe that MQA is either reaching a point of desperation, or is about to drop another shoe.

[JoeWhip]

Amir is now bringing the old line about Archimago not using his real identity. Attack the messenger not the data. So sick of this BS. Irony is truly dead with his appeal to authority with Mr. BS. Imagine if I posted on there defending let’s say Audioquest by saying that if Bill Low says so, it is good enough for me.

[KeenObserver]

Self appointed expert Veter Peth has informed his followers that when Bob Stuart has finished his work on MQA he will begin work on MBA, Master Bible Authenticated. When any version of the Bible is processed through MBA, an Authentic Word Of God will be Produced.

The Word will be put through a de-babbelllizing process. The outcome will be the Word as He Himself spoke. This will be the improved Word Of God.

The Council of Churches will be awarding Bob Stuart the Saint Peter Award.

[KeenObserver]

Way too much coffee today.

[Josh Mound]

Mastering engineer Brian Lucey is filleting MQA over at GearSpace:

 

https://gearspace.com/board/mastering-forum/1171365-mqa-discussion-denver-rmaf-21.html#post15468549

 

I’m sure he just doesn’t understand audio and the music industry as well as Amir, though. 😂

[lucretius]

2 hours ago, KeenObserver said:

Self appointed expert Veter Peth has informed his followers that when Bob Stuart has finished his work on MQA he will begin work on MBA, Master Bible Authenticated. When any version of the Bible is processed through MBA, an Authentic Word Of God will be Produced.

The Word will be put through a de-babbelllizing process. The outcome will be the Word as He Himself spoke. This will be the improved Word Of God.

The Council of Churches will be awarding Bob Stuart the Saint Peter Award.

 

Finally, a good use of BS' talents.

[John Dyson]

25 minutes ago, JoshM said:

Mastering engineer Brian Lucey is filleting MQA over at GearSpace:

 

https://gearspace.com/board/mastering-forum/1171365-mqa-discussion-denver-rmaf-21.html#post15468549

 

I’m sure he just doesn’t understand audio and the music industry as well as Amir, though. 😂

I do lurk and even contribute on the restricted mastering forums at Gearspace.   There is some true competence and sanity there, but still a few kool-aid drinkers.

The farce called MQA is understood by a lot of people, but I sure hope that notable discussion groups like here at AS continue to have enough publicity to push back against MQA nonsense (and all others.)   The importance for continued discussion on AS is that the MQA nonsense can be dangerous if it isn't continued to be exposed.   AS has some visibility on these matters, and this is a good thing for the consumer.

 

In an ideal world, those who advocate the notion that MQA is of naturally higher quality because of mathematical advantage AND meaningless 'endorsement by authorities', they should lose stature and be recognized as truly not understanding what it is, or sell-outs.   I REALLY have tried to find significant advantages for the consumer, and MQA simply doesn't give any demonstrable benefit to consumers.   MQA is a bandwagon of questionable integrity, and really needs to roll off a cliff.

 

 

 

[Iving]

7 hours ago, JoshM said:

Mastering engineer Brian Lucey is filleting MQA over at GearSpace:

 

https://gearspace.com/board/mastering-forum/1171365-mqa-discussion-denver-rmaf-21.html#post15468549

 

I’m sure he just doesn’t understand audio and the music industry as well as Amir, though. 😂

 

Lucey says: 

 

The master is the master, and there is only one. Whatever is the native sample rate and bit depth of the session is the best master available for sale. Upsampling? Please stop selling that lie as well.

And don't get me started on how 96 is High Res ... 24 bits is high res at any sample rate.

The converter quality is the main thing, and the quality of the mastering.

 

So a master is a master and that's that. That is the "art" which is the object of our desire. Commercial offerings should be the master - described as the master. Or a lo-res described as exactly that. Or whatever - provided you get what it says on the tin. You pays your money and you makes your choice. Choice is important here.

 

Of course - if we audiophiles want to upsample or otherwise muck about with what we've paid for, that's also a matter of choice.

[JoeWhip]

Gee, I just saw that Mansr has received a one week ban at ASR for his anti mQa posts and his not too complimentary posts about Amir. He is angling for a permanent ban. So much for the pure objectivists not being into banning people for contrary opinions.

[FredericV]

15 minutes ago, JoeWhip said:

Gee, I just saw that Mansr has received a one week ban at ASR for his anti mQa posts and his not too complimentary posts about Amir. He is angling for a permanent ban. So much for the pure objectivists not being into banning people for contrary opinions.

Is Mansr no longer active here?

Looking around on ASR, this post is interesting:

https://www.audio “science” review/forum/index.php?threads/tidal’s-new-lossless-tier-says-goodbye-to-mqa-but-does-it-really.22968/page-9#post-769891
https://distrokid.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360059827614-How-I-Can-Send-My-Music-in-TIDAL-Master-Quality-MQA-

The sausage machine for $17.99 per album ...

 

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An artist/label can get their album encoded for $17.99 via an automated process

 

[JoeWhip]

Mansr has not posted here since the whole Objectivist thing.

[KeenObserver]

1 hour ago, JoeWhip said:

Gee, I just saw that Mansr has received a one week ban at ASR for his anti mQa posts and his not too complimentary posts about Amir. He is angling for a permanent ban. So much for the pure objectivists not being into banning people for contrary opinions.

Well...he did tell the king he had no clothes!

Besides, he did expose the con side of MQA. Only those supporting BS have free rein.