A novel way to massively improve the SQ of computer audio streaming

[greenleo]

10 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

why not put the AL on SSD...boot is so slow on usb.  You couldn't possibly think loading from usb or ssd will make a difference 

The reason has been stated twice in this thread, Beer.  To reduce the electrical noise and Roy called it the slam dunk.

[greenleo]

10 hours ago, davide256 said:

I'm not finding the NUC7CJYH in stock anywhere, other than at boutique (list price) NUC dealers. Any good alternatives for AL endpoint that would run well off an LPS 1.2?

 

 

Dave,

 

Seetoyou has posted a link for the 7cjyh in the last few days and I remember the price was 850 RMB, quite a good deal.  Please search.

[greenleo]

3 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

Also, please clarify "the slam dunk"....i thought that would never happen, but maybe his definition is different....did he think "booting from usb and then removing it" made the biggest difference or just that he thinks that was the final touch needed or did he mean something totally different by removing the usb was "the slam dunk".

That's a quote and you many search.  The meaning of slam dunk is clear to me.  I see that you've been buying lots NUCs and you did mentioned that you're planing this, you are planing that.  I look forward to your findings.

[greenleo]

20 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

i was asking davide and he is using ssd for music storage...he might as well have a bootable partition.

Sorry, my bad.  Don't worry.  Won't do that again.

[tims]

26 minutes ago, greenleo said:

Dave,

 

Seetoyou has posted a link for the 7cjyh in the last few days and I remember the price was 850 RMB, quite a good deal.  Please search.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=581966896174

 

Here's the link to the 7PJYH.  Must have been a bit of demand for that price - it's now 1199 RMB!

[greenleo]

37 minutes ago, tims said:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=581966896174

 

Here's the link to the 7PJYH.  Must have been a bit of demand for that price - it's now 1199 RMB!

Still cheap.  The shop which took my deposit and then declined later updated the price to $220.  Actually I tried other shops immediately after taking back my deposit and they all marked up.

[Johnseye]

1 hour ago, beerandmusic said:

i was asking davide and he is using ssd for music storage...he might as well have a bootable partition.

 

Good grief dude. You can't be that stupid. Who cares who you asked. The answer is the same. If you've read any of this thread the answers are already there. It's not my thread but I'd consider you an instigator and ban you. 

[seeteeyou]

On 11/21/2018 at 8:22 AM, Johnseye said:

Good catch, I missed that.  Cores over cache.

 

Intel just happened to offer Denverton with 16 cores / 16 threads @ 24W / 32W TDP

 

https://ark.intel.com/products/codename/63508/Denverton

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/denverton/ns/atom-processor-c3000-series.html

 

Intel Atom C3000 “Denverton” Processor Targets Low Power Servers

https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/07/16/intel-atom-c3000-denverton-processor-targets-low-power-servers/

 

Flex ATX (with 2 PCIe slots) for over $900

 

https://www.provantage.com/supermicro-mbda2sdv16ctln5fo~7SUPM5TH.htm

https://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-components-motherboards-embedded-processor-a2sdv-16c-tln5f-10027787

https://www.dihuni.com/shop/do-it-yourself-embedded-iot-and-server-chassis-and-boards/supermicro-a2sdv-16c-tln5f-intel-atom-c3958-soc-16core-256gb-m-2-1xpcie-4x10gbe-1xgbe-embedded-iot-gateway-security-appliance-server-motherboard/

 

Mini ITX (with 1 PCIe slot) for $750 or so

 

https://www.atacom.com/program/atacom.cgi?ADD=MBMI_SUPE_A2_H3

https://www.cdw.com/product/supermicro-xeon-16c-motherboard/4933542

https://www.interpromicro.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=30667&czuid=1543025568775

https://coreprocomputers.com/products/supermicro-a2sdi-16c-hln4f-o-intel-atom-c3955-ddr4-sata3-usb3-0-v-4gbe-mini-itx-motherboard-cpu-combo

https://www.dihuni.com/shop/do-it-yourself-embedded-iot-and-server-chassis-and-boards/supermicro-a2sdi-16c-hln4f-intel-atom-c3955-soc-16core-256gb-12sata-4gbe-12v-embedded-iot-gateway-display-kiosk-security-appliance-server-motherboard/

 

C3955 on its own would already cost $434 so that's why we've gotta pay quite a bit more for such fanless SoC with the highest number of cores. It's "still" an Atom but its performance ain't too shabby when compared to stuff like Xeon Silver

 

https://www.servethehome.com/intel-atom-c3955-16-core-top-end-linux-benchmarks-review/

[davide256]

 

2 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

i was asking davide and he is using ssd for music storage...he might as well have a bootable partition.

Read a basic primer on the components of a  computer and how it runs software, the difference between executable code and data files. You are flailing

with no understanding of how a computer works.

[seeteeyou]

Just an FYI - I compiled a list of USB_ID for quirks.c that ain't listed below

 

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/sound/usb/quirks.c

https://github.com/archlinux/linux/blob/master/sound/usb/quirks.c

case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x088c): /* Sony PHA-2 */
case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x0899): /* Sony Walkman NW-WM1A / NW-WM1Z / NW-ZX300 / NW-ZX300A */
case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x09d4): /* Sony MDR-1ADAC */
case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x09d5): /* Sony PHA-3 */
case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x0b8c): /* Sony Walkman NW-A40 / NW-A50 */
case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x0b97): /* Sony PHA-2A */
case USB_ID(0x054c, 0x0bda): /* Sony TA-ZH1ES */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe125): /* TechDAS D-7i/192DSD / D-7/192DSD */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe12a): /* RATOC Audio Lab RAL-DSDHA1 */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe12b): /* RATOC Audio Lab RAL-DSDHA2 */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe12c): /* RATOC Audio Lab REX-K24192DSDU */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe12d): /* RATOC Audio Lab REX-KEB02iP */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe12e): /* RATOC Audio Lab REX-KEB03 */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe12f): /* RATOC Audio Lab REX-KEB02iPL */
case USB_ID(0x0584, 0xe130): /* RATOC Audio Lab RAL-DSDHA5 */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x0026): /* Audio Technica AT-HA5050H Async Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x002c): /* Audio Technica AT-HA5050H Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x002e): /* Audio Technica AT-PHA100 Self-Powered Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x002f): /* Audio Technica AT-PHA100 Bus-Powered Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x0036): /* Audio Technica AT-HRD5 Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x0043): /* Audio Technica AT-HRD500 Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x0909, 0x0045): /* Audio Technica AT-HRD500 Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x1511, 0x0042): /* AURALiC ALTAIR */
case USB_ID(0x1511, 0x0044): /* AURALiC POLARIS */
case USB_ID(0x1511, 0x0052): /* AURALiC VEGA G2 */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x1005): /* Denon DCD-SX11 */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x1006): /* Denon DNP-2500NE */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x1007): /* Denon PMA-2500NE */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x1008): /* Denon DA-310USB */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x1009): /* Denon PMA-1600NE */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x100a): /* Denon PMA-60 */
case USB_ID(0x154e, 0x100b): /* Denon DNP-1600NE */
case USB_ID(0x1852, 0x50d0): /* FiiO E17 */
case USB_ID(0x1852, 0x50d1): /* FiiO E07K */
case USB_ID(0x1852, 0x7022): /* FiiO E10K */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0002): /* dCS Hi-Speed USB Device (2) */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0004): /* dCS Hi-Speed USB Device (4) */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0006): /* dCS Vivaldi DAC */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0008): /* dCS Vivaldi Upsampler */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x000a): /* dCS Rossini DAC */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x000c): /* dCS Rossini Player */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x000e): /* dCS USB device */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0010): /* dCS Vivaldi Upsampler Plus) */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0012): /* dCS Vivaldi DAC */
case USB_ID(0x1e8c, 0x0014): /* dCS Vivaldi One */
case USB_ID(0x20b1, 0x300d): /* Grace Design m920 */
case USB_ID(0x20b1, 0x301f): /* Shanling Audio Device */
case USB_ID(0x20b1, 0x306a): /* Grace Design m900 */
case USB_ID(0x20b1, 0x3073): /* Soekris dac1xx1 */
case USB_ID(0x20b1, 0x3075): /* JVC SU-AX01 */
case USB_ID(0x21ed, 0x901a): /* Accuphase DC-901 / DP-720 / DP-550 / DP-410 / DAC-40 */
case USB_ID(0x21ed, 0xd37a): /* Accuphase DC-950 / DP-560 / DC-37 / DP-430 / DAC-50 */
case USB_ID(0x21ed, 0xd75a): /* Accuphase DP-750 */
case USB_ID(0x245f, 0x0813): /* Chord Qute EX */
case USB_ID(0x245f, 0x0815): /* Chord DAVE / Blu MkII / Mojo / Hugo 2 / Qutest / Hugo TT 2 / Hugo M Scaler */
case USB_ID(0x245f, 0x931c): /* Chord Qute HD / QBD76 HDSD / QX DAC MX Series */
case USB_ID(0x245f, 0x1213): /* Chord Hugo / 2Qute / Hugo TT */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0101): /* PS Audio Perfectwave */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0102): /* PS Audio Perfectwave */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0103): /* PS Audio NuWave Phono */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0104): /* PS Audio NuWave Phono */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0105): /* PS Audio NuWave DAC */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0106): /* PS Audio NuWave DAC */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0107): /* PS Audio NuWave Integrated */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0108): /* PS Audio NuWave Integrated */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0109): /* PS Audio Perfectwave DSD */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0110): /* PS Audio Perfectwave DSD */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0111): /* PS Audio Sprout */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0112): /* PS Audio Sprout */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0113): /* PS Audio */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0114): /* PS Audio */
case USB_ID(0x2616, 0x0115): /* PS Audio */
case USB_ID(0x262a, 0x100d): /* FiiO Q1 */
case USB_ID(0x262a, 0x100e): /* FiiO E17K */
case USB_ID(0x292b, 0xc4b3): /* Gustard U16 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0001): /* FiiO X3 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0005): /* FiiO X5 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0006): /* FiiO X5 2nd gen */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0007): /* FiiO X3 2nd gen */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0022): /* FiiO X7 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0023): /* FiiO X7 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0024): /* FiiO X7 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0026): /* FiiO X5 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0027): /* FiiO X5 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0028): /* FiiO X5 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0029): /* FiiO X1 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0030): /* FiiO X3 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0031): /* FiiO Q5 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0032): /* FiiO X7 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0033): /* FiiO X7 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0034): /* FiiO X7 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0035): /* FiiO Q1 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0036): /* FiiO Q3 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0037): /* FiiO M9 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0038): /* FiiO M9 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0039): /* FiiO M9 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0040): /* FiiO M5 */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0041): /* FiiO X series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0042): /* FiiO X series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0043): /* FiiO X series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0044): /* FiiO M series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0045): /* FiiO M series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0046): /* FiiO M series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0047): /* FiiO Q series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0048): /* FiiO A series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0049): /* FiiO B series */
case USB_ID(0x2972, 0x0050): /* FiiO S series */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x1000): /* RLabs DAC */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x3108): /* Resonessence Invicta */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x3228): /* Resonessence Concero HD */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x3229): /* Resonessence Concero HP */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x322a): /* Resonessence Herus */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x322b): /* Resonessence Herus P */
case USB_ID(0x29f3, 0x3300): /* Resonessence Veritas */
case USB_ID(0x2a39, 0x3fd2): /* RME ADI-2 Pro */
case USB_ID(0x2a39, 0x3fd3): /* RME ADI-2 DAC */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0001): /* Cayin CD Player (USB in) */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0002): /* Cayin Amplifier (USB in) */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0003): /* Cayin D/A Converter (USB in) */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0004): /* Cayin N5 MK2 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0005): /* Cayin N8 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0006): /* Cayin N6 MK2 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0007): /* Cayin N3 MK2 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x0008): /* Cayin N6 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x000a): /* Cayin iDAC-6 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x000b): /* Cayin DAC22 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x000c): /* Cayin N5 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x000d): /* Cayin i5 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x001a): /* Cayin N3 */
case USB_ID(0x2d87, 0x002a): /* Cayin USB DAC */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1190): /* Astell&Kern AK240 */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1194): /* Astell&Kern AK500N */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1196): /* Astell&Kern AK380 */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1204): /* Astell&Kern KANN */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1206): /* Astell&Kern SP1000 */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1210): /* Astell&Kern L1000 */
case USB_ID(0x4102, 0x1212): /* Astell&Kern SE100 */

 

[austinpop]

@beerandmusic - you are being disruptive. You ask questions but don’t seem to register a word of the answer.

 

Please stop posting here. Unless you post an actual finding, your posts will be deleted. Save your keystrokes.

 

All - please ignore him. I’ve removed some of his recent posts to avoid further BS.

[Soma]

Interesting results. Need help.

 

I have bought AL about 3 weeks before along with desktop HQP and had some initial difficulties setting it up on macbook pro. Finally everything resolved (thanks to Piero) and now able to boot from RAM in Macbook Pro (Mid 2015 model with it processor and 8GB RAM).

 

Roon core is in Synology NAS --> HQP as NAA in AL Macbook Pro ----> ultraRendu --> DAC

 

So far experience I felt like above setup recessed the music overall (took out the sparkle) as compared to Roon direct setup (Synology NAS ----> ultraRendu --> DAC). I am not sure it is because it Macbook Pro or my setting is incorrect? Or I should directly try with NUC? Any experience AL and HQP on macbook pro?

[seeteeyou]

On 11/19/2018 at 12:52 AM, austinpop said:

I should be getting my loaner NUC from Roy in a week or so.

 

Is that gonna be June Canyon with Celeron J4005 or Dawson Canyon with i7-8650U?

 

BTW, did you get a chance to compare the difference between your SE with both SSD / optical drive connected and disconnected while running AL with ramroot? Just wondering if a completely diskless SE were superior to idle SSD / optical drive.

[look&listen]

57 minutes ago, seeteeyou said:

I compiled a list of USB_ID for quirks.c that ain't listed below

 

Now all have to scroll through 6 screens of probably useless, distracting code  

Maybe next time attach text file?

Back to listening reports---

[mourip]

8 hours ago, lmitche said:

Sometimes simply rebooting the router can fix this.

Thanks. I gave that a try but got no joy. The odd thing is that if I turn off one then the other will show in Roon.

 

Does anyone here have two or more PCs as endpoints running Audiolinux with Roon Bridge?

 

[austinpop]

20 minutes ago, seeteeyou said:

Is that gonna be June Canyon with Celeron J4005 or Dawson Canyon with i7-8650U?

 

Don't know yet, but I believe it's one of the Celerons.

 

20 minutes ago, seeteeyou said:

BTW, did you get a chance to compare the difference between your SE with both SSD / optical drive connected and disconnected while running AL with ramroot? Just wondering if a completely diskless SE were superior to idle SSD / optical drive.

 

Nah - I didn't want to open up the box.

[austinpop]

5 minutes ago, mourip said:

Thanks. I gave that a try but got no joy. The odd thing is that if I turn off one then the other will show in Roon.

 

Did you check the multicast and other settings I mentioned? What about managed switches?

 

5 minutes ago, mourip said:

Does anyone here have two or more PCs as endpoints running Audiolinux with Roon Bridge?

 

 

Yes, I have this with no problem. Often times, I'll leave Roon clients open on a couple of my machines, and both machine's system outputs will show up as devices 

[greenleo]

Beer, you said that you have 6 to 7 Asus i5 that looks like NUC type of things to me.

12 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

I have a slew of ASUS vm60's i5's laying around here....I like them better than nuc's because i like the size and accessiblity better.  They also have spdif and sdslot....I am always swapping hd's in and out, and they have an easy slide off cover....everytime i find them on ebay for around $150 or less (w/i5 &incl hd&mem) i buy one, and i have about 6 or 7 of them here now....just outbid on an i3 w/8gb mem for $120

 

 

The following post said u bought only one NUC in the past 5 years.

2 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

i only bought one nuc and that was over 5 years ago, and no longer have it....still unsure of his meaning of slam dunk so i will search the thread....slam dunk would suggest to me that is the thing that made the most difference or the "money shot"...i just was curious if that is what  he felt that made the most difference. 

Like i said, i have lots of projects and will likely be a month, but i will share what i find....i am in process of trying to downsize a 5br house and preparing for sell/move, and my main system isn't even hooked up right now...but i may do some smaller testing on my second system sooner....i thought some were using AL as their streamer directly into dac, which is what i was thinking...I cannot afford a rendu or sotm right now...all my money is in real estate rentals and 401k....i am on very tight budget until i am 65 ( I am 60 and retired at 55)...i may splurge after selling my san diego home, but that won't happen until april 2020, and until then i have no play money....just buying a $119 nas and 2 4tb hd for $100 each was like a big expense for me.

 

Clearly our terms of NUC are different and probably I'm wrong.   I'm unlikely to be able to further reply to your posts, due to my comprehension inability.  

 

If you can afford a $120 bid and will buy an ASUS NUC like computer at $150 as shown in the 1st quotation that posted within the last 24 hours, the Celeron NUC must be affordable to you.  It would be a good buy in MPOV SQ wise.  The usual price was $117, adding AL is just $29 the total is less than $150 and I trust you have 16GB USB disk lying around that costs nothing.  You may save $29 for AL by using an NAA image and a 4GB USB disk as I did before.  Of course you need to buy the RAM which I have no particular recommendations, only to say that mine is a humble Kingston 4GB and that's working fine.  NUC+RAM would be around $160, not that far from $150.

 

I won't give further comments on the NUC7CJYH SQ wise because enough great and correct descriptions and hostile disbeliefs (hostile because without actual audition or the poster have skin in the game.  I woulkdn't name them) have been said in this thread already.  Judge on your own.

 

Always asking others to clarify, to explain, to prove without actual audition will get noone anywhere because in this hobby good sounding is subjective, nevertheless.  To make life complicated but real life is always complicated, our gears are different, our room treatments are different, our power supply treatments are different, ..., etc.  The reader must extrapolate or interpolate from the impressions.

 

Honest impressions no matter positive or negative (I value these most), consensus (distilled from the positive and negative impressions by the reader) and try the affordable is my way to proceed.  My final words.

 

Regards.

[beerandmusic]

29 minutes ago, greenleo said:

Beer, you said that you have 6 to 7 Asus i5 that looks like NUC type of things to me.

 

 

The following post said u bought only one NUC in the past 5 years.

 

Clearly our terms of NUC are different and probably I'm wrong.   I'm unlikely to be able to further reply to your posts, due to my comprehension inability.  

 

If you can afford a $120 bid and will buy an ASUS NUC like computer at $150 as shown in the 1st quotation that posted within the last 24 hours, the Celeron NUC must be affordable to you.  It would be a good buy in MPOV SQ wise.  The usual price was $117, adding AL is just $29 the total is less than $150 and I trust you have 16GB USB disk lying around that costs nothing.  You may save $29 for AL by using an NAA image and a 4GB USB disk as I did before.  Of course you need to buy the RAM which I have no particular recommendations, only to say that mine is a humble Kingston 4GB and that's working fine.  NUC+RAM would be around $160, not that far from $150.

 

I won't give further comments on the NUC7CJYH SQ wise because enough great and correct descriptions and hostile disbeliefs (hostile because without actual audition or the poster have skin in the game.  I woulkdn't name them) have been said in this thread already.  Judge on your own.

 

Always asking others to clarify, to explain, to prove without actual audition will get noone anywhere because in this hobby good sounding is subjective, nevertheless.  To make life complicated but real life is always complicated, our gears are different, our room treatments are different, our power supply treatments are different, ..., etc.  The reader must extrapolate or interpolate from the impressions.

 

Honest impressions no matter positive or negative (I value these most), consensus (distilled from the positive and negative impressions by the reader) and try the affordable is my way to proceed.  My final words.

 

Regards.

Nuc is from intel mfr....I have bought ASUS vm60s i5's for anywhere from $60 to $150 at most and that included mem and hd and windows os.  I stated why i prefer them to nucs already (sd slot, easier accessibility to hd, sdslot, spdif, 6USB slots and price)  Another reason i didn't mention is that since i have acronis images, i can have one image and it work on all of my vm60s in under 10min from scratch...so they serve as great backups for a ready computer for everyone in the family fully configured with all apps and correct pointers to data.  I have nothing against nuc's i just prefer asus vm60's for several reasons.  My only inquiry about nuc's was because i was curious if there was something unique to them where they may offer better SQ than an ASUS vm60.  ..maybe they are known to have something that was known better for audio....My inquiry was sincere...perhaps people were over-sensitive to my inquiry because the last person wasn't sincere where i was.

[Dev]

 

22 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

Nuc is from intel mfr....I have bought ASUS vm60s i5's for anywhere from $60 to $150 at most and that included mem and hd and windows os.  I stated why i prefer them to nucs already (sd slot, easier accessibility to hd, sdslot, spdif, 6USB slots and price)  Another reason i didn't mention is that since i have acronis images, i can have one image and it work on all of my vm60s in under 10min from scratch.  I have nothing against nuc's i just prefer asus vm60's for several reasons.  My only inquiry about nuc's was because i was curious if there was something unique to them where they may offer better SQ than an ASUS vm60.

 

Not sure if you are aware but Intel has been following this thread for a while before they released the Celeron NUC this year that many of us here like it for audio. Get one while you can ?

[Dev]

Just now, beerandmusic said:

 

Great to hear...maybe they will read my message and come out with a slightly larger footprint with a little more functionality (wink).  It won't be the first time manufacturers take suggestions from me.  I absolutely love the build of the vm60s...hope they pick one up...the removable top is awesome for those that swap ssd''s a lot.

 

Trust me, they are very very picky from whom they take suggestions from....

[greenleo]

2 hours ago, austinpop said:

@beerandmusic - you are being disruptive. You ask questions but don’t seem to register a word of the answer.

 

Please stop posting here. Unless you post an actual finding, your posts will be deleted. Save your keystrokes.

 

All - please ignore him. I’ve removed some of his recent posts to avoid further BS.

Sorry Rajiv, when I was replying, I didn't see your post and it took really long time to reply sensibly and quite sometime to use the multi-quote(my 1st time and I encountered troubles).  During my reply, your post came out and I couldn't realise.  I was trying to help as so many members have helped me in the past.  

 

Please do not feel offended by me or I'm ignoring your advice's.

 

Regards.

[greenleo]

48 minutes ago, Dev said:

 

 

Not sure if you are aware but Intel has been following this thread for a while before they released the Celeron NUC this year that many of us here like it for audio. Get one while you can ?

What a great news.  Any chance that we may draft a wishlist here?  May be a better NUC may be out?  I'm serious on this.

 

Now my day dreaming, NUC with fanless aluminium cases, NUC with SCLK-EX, NUC with SCLK-EX and BNC connectors for external referencing clock, ...?

[Johnseye]

2 hours ago, seeteeyou said:

 

Intel just happened to offer Denverton with 16 cores / 16 threads @ 24W / 32W TDP

 

https://ark.intel.com/products/codename/63508/Denverton

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/denverton/ns/atom-processor-c3000-series.html

 

Intel Atom C3000 “Denverton” Processor Targets Low Power Servers

https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/07/16/intel-atom-c3000-denverton-processor-targets-low-power-servers/

 

Flex ATX (with 2 PCIe slots) for over $900

 

https://www.provantage.com/supermicro-mbda2sdv16ctln5fo~7SUPM5TH.htm

https://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-components-motherboards-embedded-processor-a2sdv-16c-tln5f-10027787

https://www.dihuni.com/shop/do-it-yourself-embedded-iot-and-server-chassis-and-boards/supermicro-a2sdv-16c-tln5f-intel-atom-c3958-soc-16core-256gb-m-2-1xpcie-4x10gbe-1xgbe-embedded-iot-gateway-security-appliance-server-motherboard/

 

Mini ITX (with 1 PCIe slot) for $750 or so

 

https://www.atacom.com/program/atacom.cgi?ADD=MBMI_SUPE_A2_H3

https://www.cdw.com/product/supermicro-xeon-16c-motherboard/4933542

https://www.interpromicro.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=30667&czuid=1543025568775

https://coreprocomputers.com/products/supermicro-a2sdi-16c-hln4f-o-intel-atom-c3955-ddr4-sata3-usb3-0-v-4gbe-mini-itx-motherboard-cpu-combo

https://www.dihuni.com/shop/do-it-yourself-embedded-iot-and-server-chassis-and-boards/supermicro-a2sdi-16c-hln4f-intel-atom-c3955-soc-16core-256gb-12sata-4gbe-12v-embedded-iot-gateway-display-kiosk-security-appliance-server-motherboard/

 

C3955 on its own would already cost $434 so that's why we've gotta pay quite a bit more for such fanless SoC with the highest number of cores. It's "still" an Atom but its performance ain't too shabby when compared to stuff like Xeon Silver

 

https://www.servethehome.com/intel-atom-c3955-16-core-top-end-linux-benchmarks-review/

 

I have a mini ITX from April of this year and the NUC sounds better with a similar proc. Both running Audiolinux. Although the ITX is running gui and NUC is running headless. 

 

Not sure about the Atom but "suspect" it's not as good. 

 

 

[misterspense]

1 hour ago, Johnseye said:

 

I have a mini ITX from April of this year and the NUC sounds better with a similar proc. Both running Audiolinux. Although the ITX is running gui and NUC is running headless. 

 

Not sure about the Atom but "suspect" it's not as good. 

 

 

So that means two things are different, NUC vs mini itx, and headless vs GUI. So you're saying a NUC with headless AL sounds better to you, compared to mini itx with GUI AL.?!?!