MQA The Truth lies Somewhere in the Middle

[Shadders]

11 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

To all

I've watched the video and all I can say is that unless you were there you got about 10% of the audience participation, ask Lee Scoggins and Rajiv. That's the fault of all of us, the moderator, me, the audience and the camera and mic folks.  Chris did his best in a very difficult situation and yes, with some hostile feedback from the audience including me (yes, I am the Brit in the blue T shirt) . For those of you mocking me, go ahead, for those of you mocking Edwin, the guy sitting next to me, you disgust me. It is obvious that he is blind, his white cane is in full view. By the way Brinkmanship I've added your clip to my profile, the grandkids love it.

 

At the end of the day the seminar was about the pros and cons of MQA, that's what Chris tried to present. In MY OPINION, that was not what his presentation was, it was biased against MQA, that is why he got the reaction that he did. Again in MY OPINION, he stated that it would be unbiased and it wasn't. I am in touch with Chris privately and I think we are good.

 

As to my position on MQA. I listen to MQA tracks on Tidal and  Red Book tracks on Tidal. I enjoy both and I love Tidal as a vehicle for me to listen to music I know and, to discover new music. Let  me give you an example, I wandered around RMAF with Shazam in hand. I got home and built a Tidal playlist of the Shazam tracks, it's great to listen to. Once Qobuz becomes available I'll sign up for it and then decide if I stay with one or go with both. I can not defend or support MQA technically, I don't have the necessary skills. At least one of you, maybe more, have said that they hope Tidal fails because of their support for MQA, I don't. Tidal and MQA will survive or fail based on customer demand and their finances. 

 

I have really enjoyed my time reading CA, I post very little but I have gotten a lot from it. I really enjoyed the bar time with Chris and other CA members at both Axpona and RMAF. Most of you are a good bunch and Chris has built a great brand and and is enjoying the success of his labors. I'm sure that it will continue. 

Hi,

The white stick is not noticeable until the end when it is moved. Yourself notices it, because you know it is there.

 

With regards to the pro's and cons, MQA do not publish any cons, so maybe, the "negative" aspects of the presentation were to balance the misinformation of MQA Ltd ? I did not see any cons - only exposure of the misinformation from MQA Ltd.  The slides are available on this web site - so you can see and challenge the con's if you so desire.

 

Regards,

Shadders.

[mansr]

5 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

None.

Sure, and I have bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

[Derek Hughes]

5 minutes ago, Shadders said:

Hi,

The white stick is not noticeable until the end when it is moved. Yourself notices it, because you know it is there.

 

With regards to the pro's and cons, MQA do not publish any cons, so maybe, the "negative" aspects of the presentation were to balance the misinformation of MQA Ltd ? I did not see any cons - only exposure of the misinformation from MQA Ltd.  The slides are available on this web site - so you can see and challenge the con's if you so desire.

 

Regards,

Shadders.

Go to minute 33 and watch it again, the white cane is clearly visible. I've been in touch with Chris privately and I'll discuss his presentation with him privately if he wants to. As I said above, unless you were in the room you got about 10% of the audience participation.

Derek 

[Derek Hughes]

3 minutes ago, mansr said:

Sure, and I have bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

So you are calling me a liar. I suggest that you ask Chris, he knows me, you don't.

[Shadders]

1 minute ago, Derek Hughes said:

Go to minute 33 and watch it again, the white cane is clearly visible. I've been in touch with Chris privately and I'll discuss his presentation with him privately if he wants to. As I said above, unless you were in the room you got about 10% of the audience participation.

Derek 

Hi,

The reason you are aware of the white stick is because you know it is there. For someone who is not really paying attention, it is very easily missed. People on this site are not that nasty.

Regards,

Shadders.

[Indydan]

1 minute ago, Derek Hughes said:

So you are calling me a liar. I suggest that you ask Chris, he knows me, you don't.

 

Then why defend MQA with such passion if you have no affiliation?!

[hvbias]

I think the real focus should be on the two known MQA reps, namely the CEO and the other rep in the brown blazer in the back row, far right. As representatives of a company their behavior was abhorrent. Their demands that Archimago be identified otherwise his evidence is not valid was a complete joke as Chris repeatedly stated the data is reproducible and that no one had come forward to refute it. This went in one ear and out the other with those two.

[Indydan]

Here is a video of Derek Hughes reading the "MQA is vaporware" thread, while at work.

 

 

 

[Derek Hughes]

1 minute ago, Indydan said:

 

Then why defend MQA with such passion if you have no affiliation?!

I wasn't defending MQA, I was pointing out that Chris's presentation was biased. I spoke to one of the MQA reps in the bar after the presentation. I pointed out to him that I thought that they had gone in to the marketplace with too much hoopla and set themself for a very high bar. In my opinion they should have gone in much softer and gotten some feedback. 

 

[mansr]

6 minutes ago, Shadders said:

The reason you are aware of the white stick is because you know it is there. For someone who is not really paying attention, it is very easily missed. People on this site are not that nasty.

Even if they were, it would not excuse Derek's rude behaviour, not least since it occurred before the allegedly insensitive comments were made.

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

I wasn't defending MQA, I was pointing out that Chris's presentation was biased.

Did you really have to do that in such a rude manner? The usual protocol is to leave questions until the end.

[mansr]

11 minutes ago, hvbias said:

Their demands that Archimago be identified otherwise his evidence is not valid was a complete joke as Chris repeatedly stated the data is reproducible and that no one had come forward to refute it. This went in one ear and out the other with those two.

They also ignored all the work done by me and other named individuals.

[FredericV]

9 minutes ago, mansr said:

They also ignored all the work done by me and other named individuals.

Including truncation of 24 bit MQA files to 16 bit, and the blue light still shines ....
 

 

and then we have MQA CD based on the same principles

[Derek Hughes]

9 minutes ago, mansr said:

Did you really have to do that in such a rude manner? The usual protocol is to leave questions until the end.

Were you there? Chris did not state that he wanted to leave questions to the end. I worked at Intel for over 20 years, if you think that was rude you have no idea.

Are you still calling me a liar? 

[Derek Hughes]

 

28 minutes ago, Shadders said:

Hi,

The reason you are aware of the white stick is because you know it is there. For someone who is not really paying attention, it is very easily missed. People on this site are not that nasty.

Regards,

Shadders.

OK, I'll buy that but the comment clearly upset me. 

[crenca]

1 hour ago, Derek Hughes said:

the seminar was about the pros and cons of MQA, that's what Chris tried to present. In MY OPINION, that was not what his presentation was...

 

I can not defend or support MQA technically, I don't have the necessary skills...

 

On the one hand, you have a very strong table-banging opinion, which happens to coincide with those who have $investment$ in MQA 

 

On the other hand, you admit you don't have the skills/knowledge to have an opinion one way or another.

 

I guess INTEL does not mean what it used to mean.  Don't worry, your a meme worthy representation of so much of what is wrong with Audiophiledom - lots of opinion, no actual knowledge.

 

Also, I saw where your table banging frightened your blind friend.  No wonder you are disgusted with yourself...

[kumakuma]

17 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

I worked at Intel for over 20 years, if you think that was rude you have no idea.

 

 

 

What a lame ass excuse for bad behaviour.

 

 

[Hugo9000]

19 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

Were you there? Chris did not state that he wanted to leave questions to the end. I worked at Intel for over 20 years, if you think that was rude you have no idea.

Are you still calling me a liar? 

Chris said "We'll come back to questions," and you immediately barreled in again, interrupting him.  Watch from 13:25 or so.  Isn't that you, rudely interrupting Chris?

[look&listen]

45 minutes ago, Shadders said:

For someone who is not really paying attention, it is very easily missed.

Why you not pay attention?

I see man look asleep, look closer, understand blindness. Many cues, so simple task(1-1.5 sec) & what else to see while listening to words?

What are perception problems of who "very easily missed"?

[Ralf11]

I am surprised that a continuous video did not capture 90% of this.  What do you mean by that, Derek Hughes?

 

I also did not see the white cane...

[crenca]

3 minutes ago, look&listen said:

What are perception problems of who "very easily missed"?

 

Too much table banging nonsense going on to focus on anything else obviously, at least for most of us.  Those who noticed through all the "I have an opinion even though I admit I should not have an opinion at all" table bangin are clearly in the minority and probably have other unusual and/or strange experiences which allow them to look around all the ignorant table bangin...such as yourself for example.  What are these experiences of yours?  Do you swim with the dolphins, or are you a porn actor perhaps?

[BigAlMc]

8 minutes ago, Derek Hughes said:

Were you there? Chris did not state that he wanted to leave questions to the end. I worked at Intel for over 20 years, if you think that was rude you have no idea.

Are you still calling me a liar? 

 

From my perspective there is a difference between asking a few questions and systematically derailing a presentation.

 

I wasn't there but the MQA guys seem to think they entered a door labeled "MQA team debates Chris C". Chris on the other hand entered a door with "Chris C's  presentation".

 

You stated 20 years experience at Intel. I have never worked there but I don't imagine that derailing a presentation by arguing/heckling for the vast majority was encouraged or productive at Intel. I've worked in IT for years and a few constructive questions is one thing but presentation sabotage is quite another.

 

FWIW Derek I felt Chris made a slight misstep describing his presentation as neutral when it leaned slightly to anti-MQA.

 

That said I honestly believe he was genuine in trying to avoid an MQA Takedown or bigging up MQA. Hence let's look at MQA and their claims was (in my humble opinion) a genuine attempt to be fair.

 

The MQA executive team conspiring to shut the presentation down with corrections like "we haven't used that logo since 2016"  doesn't help. Its not DRM, trust us we haven't done it so far, likewise doesn't.

 

I'd genuinely appreciate knowing your background and stance here?

 

But that video played as the MQA team rudely derailing and sabotaging Chris's attempt to have a rational discussion about the pros and cons of MQA. Hence the defensive reaction.

 

I have an MQA download (from High Res Audio) that sounds amazing. I have some Tidal masters that are likewise. I have others that are meh at best.

 

I'd love for MQA to be an audiophile bonus. And I've kept an open mind to date. But that video plays as bullying and raises the question why do they feel compelled to do so.

 

Cheers,

Alan

[Brinkman Ship]

The focus should not be on Derek Hughes..it should be on the two MQA execs, Forsythe and Jbara. They were appalling and disgraceful.

[crenca]

1 minute ago, Brinkman Ship said:

The focus should not be on Derek Hughes..it should be on the two MQA exec, Forsythe and Jbara. They were appalling.

 

Oh I don't know.  I can at least understand Forsythe and Jbara or even Scogins - they have their livelihoods invested in this MQA fraud, which at the end of the day is (at least for now) limited to seperating a small amount of cash from gullible "audiophiles".  

 

Table bangin opinion, from self admited ignorance, is a microcosm of so much that is wrong with this "hobby"...

 

 

[FredericV]

10 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said:

The focus should not be on Derek Hughes..it should be on the two MQA execs, Forsythe and Jbara. They were appalling and disgraceful.

Maybe they had nothing to lose.