MQA is Vaporware

[andifor]

1 hour ago, PeterV said:

So THIS shows the true face of FredericV vanden Poel !!

 

He actually did send an e-mail to my employer in order to incriminate me.

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I am therefore forced to expose FredericV despicable behaviour like this:

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No, you are not forced at all. Just ignore him here in the forum. That's what I usually do with guys I can't stand.

 

[PeterV]

9 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

Eh, probably.  Still it is just a kind of slap fest that will blow over even if it seems important now.

 

I still want to know who is paying PeterV

 

Haha..that can be read in the e-mail ..for me this hobby has gotten out of hand more than a year ago when the slander towards MQA and Bob Stuart began.. I just cannot stand dishonesty and disrespect towards persons who always answer politely. This guy is frantic with regard to something which is nothing more than an extra hobby for some people. His paranoia has towards me gotten totally out of hand.

[PeterV]

8 minutes ago, andifor said:

 

No, you are not forced at all. Just ignore him here in the forum. That's what I usually do with guys I can't stand.

 

 

Well  it has gotten very personal now and since he actively starts messing up with my business and private life like this, it is now more than just a 

'Format war'  between me and him. 

[PeterV]

1 hour ago, copy_of_a said:

is it allowed to publish details like personal phone number and email from someone else here on this forum?

 

 

You should ask yourself if this way of slandering and damaging my reputation at my employer by misusing the forum discussions overhere by copy paste and send to my management is of a higher degree of immoral behaviour than what I do by exposing this brutal and cowardly act. He did the same yesterday on the Archimago blog. I will disclose this garbage overthere as well.

[andifor]

Just now, PeterV said:

 

You should ask yourself if this way of slandering and damaging my reputation at my employer by misusing the forum discussions overhere by copy paste and send to my management is of a higher degree of immoral behaviour than what I do by exposing this brutal and cowardly act. He did the same yesterday on the Archimago blog. I will disclose this garbage overthere as well.

 

I advise you to sleep over it. It's not worth it, trust me.

[Shadders]

[The Computer Audiophile]

@PeterV and @FredericV any more posts about each other or going back and forth and your both banned.

[realhifi]

1 hour ago, firedog said:

Wow, what FredericV did is totally out of line. I think he shouldn't be allowed to post here. It doesn't matter that the "behavior didn't occur here"; he exploited this site, used his interactions here, and used the posts of another member to  interfere in that persons personal life and employment.

If that isn't against the terms of use here, it should be.

+1

[Samuel T Cogley]

46 minutes ago, PeterV said:

 

Haha..that can be read in the e-mail ..for me this hobby has gotten out of hand more than a year ago when the slander towards MQA and Bob Stuart began..

 

Interesting to see the similarity in Andrew Quint's response to Archimago

 

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I really don't feel it's fair to maintain that TAS is "ramping up the hype again" when it comes to MQA, as if the magazine was part of a coordinated promotional campaign. Both my editorial and Robert Harley's piece are responses to the vitriol that's been coming from those who feel MQA is ruining their lives, or at least polluting the sanctity of their worldview.

 

Whether amateur or professional or a mix of the two, a PR campaign seems to be underway.

[realhifi]

This MQA thing has really brought out a surprising amount of vitriol and odd accusations and has really changed the tone of this website.  It will be interesting to see industry response moving forward.

 

[PeterV]

4 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Interesting to see the similarity in Andrew Quint's response to Archimago

 

 

Whether amateur or professional or a mix of the two, a PR campaign seems to be underway.

 

Well, I actually came up to the same conclusion Samual. I wrote several pages ago or maybe on Archimago 's blog that I do not believe in a big conspiracy in which esteemed journalists, recording engineers an who knows who more are all being paid by MQA.. What the real 'conspiracy' or better said ambush marketing strategy potentially is, are all these 190 pages of free publicity for MQA alone over here..I am (over) enthusiastically advocating and defending the format, since I do not want to lose it anymore. What also strikes me is that the more something so-called 'bad' or 'worthless format is being attacked, the more intersting it gets..! Because the observing reader will not understand what there is to lose! It is just something new, you like it or not. So maybe we are all indeed part of a smart strategy. I do not care, others might. All fuzz and buzz is free publicity.  

[PeterSt]

On 14-10-2017 at 6:07 PM, PeterV said:

and you will not know how this album sounds in MQA...My impression is that it is very much better than other versions.. It is impressive that it works also with lectronic music. I am eager to hear what Boris Blank himself will tell us what MQA means to him.

 

Hey Peter. I am on my knees to thank you for this indirect hint. I thought I had everything from Yello.

When I read this post two days ago I had without much thinking Boris vd Lek in mind and noted the album for giving it a try. So 10 minutes ago I gave it a go and thought ... what ?!? Yello ? I checked and indeed.

I never knew the man also made albums on individual title ! Poor me.

 

Anyway, sounding great. And obviously I don't even know the normal Redbook version.

Thanks man.

 

PS: Cut the crap now. 

[crenca]

6 minutes ago, realhifi said:

This MQA thing has really brought out a surprising amount of vitriol and odd accusations and has really changed the tone of this website.  It will be interesting to see industry response moving forward.

 

 

You are correct to point to MQA being a special case.  It is Voodoo too far even for an industry if not built on, then dependant on a radical subjectivity.  The nice thing about the REAL is that occasionally it breaks into the most stubbornly resistant corners of the unreal...

[realhifi]

10 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

You are correct to point to MQA being a special case.  It is Voodoo too far even for an industry if not built on, then dependant on a radical subjectivity.  The nice thing about the REAL is that occasionally it breaks into the most stubbornly resistant corners of the unreal...

Oh, well ok. 

[Samuel T Cogley]

23 minutes ago, PeterV said:

 

Well, I actually came up to the same conclusion Samual. I wrote several pages ago or maybe on Archimago 's blog that I do not believe in a big conspiracy in which esteemed journalists, recording engineers an who knows who more are all being paid by MQA.. What the real 'conspiracy' or better said ambush marketing strategy potentially is, are all these 190 pages of free publicity for MQA alone over here..I am (over) enthusiastically advocating and defending the format, since I do not want to lose it anymore. What also strikes me is that the more something so-called 'bad' or 'worthless format is being attacked, the more intersting it gets..! Because the observing reader will not understand what there is to lose! It is just something new, you like it or not. So maybe we are all indeed part of a smart strategy. I do not care, others might. All fuzz and buzz is free publicity.  

 

In the U.S., the saying goes, "there is no such thing as bad publicity".  I personally prefer unadulterated hi rez PCM, but I'm waiting patiently for a < $500 (US) DAC that provides a level of sound quality that matches the hype of MQA.  Maybe Pro-Ject will fix theirs, or maybe the iFI iDSD Nano BL will be the one.  The Meridian Explorer 2 just isn't doing it for me, with both vanilla PCM and MQA.  And the Mytek is not on my radar for reasons not appropriate for this thread.

 

2017 marks the first year that I haven't bought a significant DAC (the ME2 doesn't count ) since 2013 in anticipation of the eventual release of the Duke Nukem Forever of DACs: the iFI iDSD Pro.  But I'm not convinced it will ever see the light of day.

 

Even if I do find an MQA DAC that sounds good, the next step is finding the MQA diamonds in the peak limited rough.  For me, the relatively low percentage of well mastered MQA content (and MQA insisting this is "quality") is another strike against it.  Note I don't mean new releases.  I mean catalog titles where the DR is well known and the mastering engineer peak limits it (probably at the behest of the record companies) to be "competitive"

[PeterV]

1 hour ago, PeterSt said:

 

Hey Peter. I am on my knees to thank you for this indirect hint. I thought I had everything from Yello.

When I read this post two days ago I had without much thinking Boris vd Lek in mind and noted the album for giving it a try. So 10 minutes ago I gave it a go and thought ... what ?!? Yello ? I checked and indeed.

I never knew the man also made albums on individual title ! Poor me.

 

Anyway, sounding great. And obviously I don't even know the normal Redbook version.

Thanks man.

 

PS: Cut the crap now. 

 

So strange to experience all this and just because we love our music so much... music has become our new religion it seems.

[firedog]

2 hours ago, PeterV said:

 

Well, I actually came up to the same conclusion Samual. I wrote several pages ago or maybe on Archimago 's blog that I do not believe in a big conspiracy in which esteemed journalists, recording engineers an who knows who more are all being paid by MQA.. What the real 'conspiracy' or better said ambush marketing strategy potentially is, are all these 190 pages of free publicity for MQA alone over here..I am (over) enthusiastically advocating and defending the format, since I do not want to lose it anymore. What also strikes me is that the more something so-called 'bad' or 'worthless format is being attacked, the more intersting it gets..! Because the observing reader will not understand what there is to lose! It is just something new, you like it or not. So maybe we are all indeed part of a smart strategy. I do not care, others might. All fuzz and buzz is free publicity.  

A PR campaign and it's results don't have to be the result of an actual conspiracy, but the effect can be the same.

That's what seems to be going on to many of us. Many of us listen to MQA and don't hear anything revolutionary or even consistently better than standard recordings. So when we keep reading in the audiophile press about how obviously better MQA is we are left scratching our heads. We can only conclude that either deliberate deception or groupthink about MQA are owing on - and both of these things have happened in the audio world before.

Many of us can remember being told how great early digital sounded (even when it didn't) from these same types of sources.

The fact that the profit motive of several of the actors involved  and the DRM aspects of MQA are almost totally ignored by the audio press is also suspicous to many of us who feel like we are being "herded" into supporting MQA.

[Jud]

14 minutes ago, firedog said:

Many of us can remember being told how great early digital sounded (even when it didn't) from these same types of sources.

 

My recollection is the reverse: The “subjective” publications, for example TAS, led the group of those who said not to believe the hype, while objective consumer-oriented media, such as Consumer Reports in the US, were the leaders in saying the sound was essentially perfect.

[NOMBEDES]

This thread makes me want to burn all my digital capable kit and start spinning vinyl.  

 Why all this emotion over dull technology rather than emotion over something worthwhile, like music. (?) 

 

[FredericV]

6 hours ago, PeterV said:

So THIS shows the true face of FredericV vanden Poel !!

 

He actually did send an e-mail to my employer in order to incriminate me. It seems as if Frederic's life is at stake with his pathetic attempt to stop me from speaking out what my personal experiences are regarding MQA. I received a phone call from my management this afternoon that I am not allowed to use labour hours for private communications and that in principle I can be fired for that.  I requested Chris Connaker to ban FredericV from CA, but that will not be done because this behaviour did not take place on CA forum itself. I am therefore forced to expose FredericV despicable behaviour like this:

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On 16/10/2017 12:17, Frederic Vanden Poel wrote:

I think Peter needs professional help or a new hobby. He has been posting all day long on computr audiophile, today monday 16/10/2017.
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Disclosing private emails between companies is not allowed by both Belgian and Dutch law. Furthermore these emails are incomplete and out of context as they lack the embedded content which prove the slandering. You are also  violating every privacy law in Europe. Since yesterday you started to call me a fraud without proof. You also changed the topic into attacking my product.

Which company would allow their employees to disclose private emails on public forum like CA, and attack other companies while being paid to do another job?

I defend myself because you continue to attack me, even though Chris has asked you to stop this and warned both of us with a ban. As no action has been taken to respect the privacy of email conversations, I can only react to what is happening here. I would suggest you to take it down immediately.

We will never be friends, but copy pasting private emails is not acceptable.
 

[mansr]

19 minutes ago, FredericV said:

attack other companies while being paid to do another job

Well, we don't know exactly what MQA pays him to do. Perhaps this is all part of the job.

[lucretius]

1 hour ago, FredericV said:

Disclosing private emails between companies is not allowed by both Belgian and Dutch law. Furthermore these emails are incomplete and out of context as they lack the embedded content which prove the slandering. You are also  violating every privacy law in Europe. Since yesterday you started to call me a fraud without proof. You also changed the topic into attacking my product.

Which company would allow their employees to disclose private emails on public forum like CA, and attack other companies while being paid to do another job?

I defend myself because you continue to attack me, even though Chris has asked you to stop this and warned both of us with a ban. As no action has been taken to respect the privacy of email conversations, I can only react to what is happening here. I would suggest you to take it down immediately.

We will never be friends, but copy pasting private emails is not acceptable.
 

 

Sir, I appreciate your technical posts very much  and I am sure many others do also.  However, I fear that you are on a sure course to getting banned.  My only hope is that you will stand down from this craziness, so that we can all continue enjoying your posts at CA.

 

Kindest regards!

[#Yoda#]

4 hours ago, PeterSt said:

 

Hey Peter. I am on my knees to thank you for this indirect hint. I thought I had everything from Yello.

When I read this post two days ago I had without much thinking Boris vd Lek in mind and noted the album for giving it a try. So 10 minutes ago I gave it a go and thought ... what ?!? Yello ? I checked and indeed.

I never knew the man also made albums on individual title ! Poor me.

 

Anyway, sounding great. And obviously I don't even know the normal Redbook version.

Thanks man.

 

PS: Cut the crap now. 

 

You should know that this is originally a 24/44.1 recording and Qobuz.com is still selling an upsampled version. Via a really good DAC with own adjusted digital filters better sounding than the MQA version on a MYTEK Brooklyn anyway.

[FredericV]

54 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

Sir, I appreciate your technical posts very much  and I am sure many others do also.  However, I fear that you are on a sure course to getting banned.  My only hope is that you will stand down from this craziness, so that we can all continue enjoying your posts at CA.

 

Kindest regards!

Rest assured that I want to end this crazyness.  But I hope PV also stops. Yesterday I made it very clear that I wanted to respect Chris wishes and no longer react to this specific person. I'm not in the mood to get banned. I did not react for a whole day, but saw the whole topic derail even more when emails were being copy pasted. That's why I react.

I hope it gets back on track. These private emails are not meant for a public forum. This is not wikileaks.

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, Jud said:

 

My recollection is the reverse: The “subjective” publications, for example TAS, led the group of those who said not to believe the hype, while objective consumer-oriented media, such as Consumer Reports in the US, were the leaders in saying the sound was essentially perfect.

 

The mainstream audio press rejects all new formats until a superceding format is released, then the poo-pooing of the newer format starts and waxing poetic about the formerly bad format begins :~)

 

They still talk about digital as if the problems of 1980 haven't been resolved. If a DAC is good, it's always described as having no digital glare and like analog. However, the flaws of analog are completely ignored in this context. 

 

MQA has been a different animal for them. Nothing but open arms and the savior for bad digital. 

 

I understand those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but I'm just making an observation based on no data and using the feeling I get when reading the other guys. Subjective to the highest. Take it for what it's worth.