Darko spreading misinformation.

[Rexp]

Here's Darko telling folks Rega 2 and Technics SL1210 are high end decks, is he that stupid? 

 

[Qhwoeprktiyns]

I watched most of it and don't see any "mis-information". He's just telling us he likes these two turntables, how they differ, and why he prefers using the Technics even though the SQ is not as good as the Rega.

[March Audio]

I hevent looked at the video but my initial reaction to the OP is how does he define "high end"?

 

Expensive? Sound quality?  Technical performance?

 

There is precious little objective performance data about decks out there, so what is highend?

[plissken]

I think it's funny when people debate the finer points of fidelity when it comes to turn-tables. It's like self proclaimed surgeons debating spit and polish vs elbow grease when it comes to sterilizing their scalpel.

[ASRMichael]

Maybe it’s high-end if you have this Bush! 
 

I think when talking about SQ it needs to be SQ at price point. They’re a variety of budgets out there. It’s what quality you get for your budget. 
 

 

[Richard Dale]

13 hours ago, Rexp said:

Here's Darko telling folks Rega 2 and Technics SL1210 are high end decks, is he that stupid? 

 

The video is about the usability problems of entry level decks, such as the Rega Planar 2. For instance, the Rega lacks automatic speed changing and you need to move the belt on the pulley to switch from 33 to 45 rpm, it doesn’t have any sort of leveling system, you can’t adjust the vertical tracking angle on the arm, and it doesn’t have a detachable head shell.
 

For a little more money the Technics fixes these usability problems, although John Darko actually prefers the sound of the Rega/Denon cartridge combo. At no point did he call either of these decks ‘high end’, and so I fail to see what your point is.

[cab33]

6 hours ago, plissken said:

I think it's funny when people debate the finer points of fidelity when it comes to turn-tables. It's like self proclaimed surgeons debating spit and polish vs elbow grease when it comes to sterilizing their scalpel.

 

Well, if you're stuck playing LPs then you care.

 

Some LP albums never made it to CD or files, some sound better on LP, some LPs can be found where the CDs can't be found...

[Rexp]

4 hours ago, Richard Dale said:

The video is about the usability problems of entry level decks, such as the Rega Planar 2. For instance, the Rega lacks automatic speed changing and you need to move the belt on the pulley to switch from 33 to 45 rpm, it doesn’t have any sort of leveling system, you can’t adjust the vertical tracking angle on the arm, and it doesn’t have a detachable head shell.
 

For a little more money the Technics fixes these usability problems, although John Darko actually prefers the sound of the Rega/Denon cartridge combo. At no point did he call either of these decks ‘high end’, and so I fail to see what your point is.

He signed off by saying 'if you like my attitude to high end audio, its not always about sound quality but also funtionality and aesthetics'. 

He also scored the Rega 2 nine out of ten.

 

Any inkling what my point is? 

[Qhwoeprktiyns]

22 minutes ago, Rexp said:

He signed off by saying 'if you like my attitude to high end audio, its not always about sound quality but also funtionality and aesthetics'. 

He also scored the Rega 2 nine out of ten.

 

Any inkling what my point is? 

 

There's nothing wrong in saying that we can choose functionality over SQ. Obviously, having both is preferable. 

 

As for his ratings, I actually don't follow Darko, but I think his audience is more interested in "mid-range" gear (price wise) - high end is relative. 1000$ equipment is "high end" to a general public. 

 

Saying he is spreading "misinformation" is a little excessive. If you don't like him, don't waste your time watching his videos :) 

 

[Rexp]

1 hour ago, hopkins said:

 

There's nothing wrong in saying that we can choose functionality over SQ. Obviously, having both is preferable. 

 

As for his ratings, I actually don't follow Darko, but I think his audience is more interested in "mid-range" gear (price wise) - high end is relative. 1000$ equipment is "high end" to a general public. 

 

Saying he is spreading "misinformation" is a little excessive. If you don't like him, don't waste your time watching his videos :) 

 

High end audio is not a reletive term. It is reserved for the pinnacle of music reproduction. 

[AudioDoctor]

A disciple of the GUTB school of audio?

[Rexp]

19 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

A disciple of the GUTB school of audio?

I don't know, what is the GUTB school of audio? 

[AudioDoctor]

15 minutes ago, Rexp said:

I don't know, what is the GUTB school of audio? 

 

GUTB also considers price to be the only indicator of what is, and what isn't, high end enough. In my opinion, it's an attitude guaranteed to drive people away from audiophilia.

 

You know what the number one thing I hear from people immediately after they tell me that they want better sound?  "I'm not an audiophile or anything." And its because of exactly that attitude. A good friend of mine recently bought a Rega turntable and he was really excited about it. What do you think would have happened if I had come at him with the attitude of, it sucks because it's not expensive enough?

[Rexp]

13 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

GUTB also considers price to be the only indicator of what is, and what isn't, high end enough. In my opinion, it's an attitude guaranteed to drive people away from audiophilia.

 

You know what the number one thing I hear from people immediately after they tell me that they want better sound?  "I'm not an audiophile or anything." And its because of exactly that attitude. A good friend of mine recently bought a Rega turntable and he was really excited about it. What do you think would have happened if I had come at him with the attitude of, it sucks because it's not expensive enough?

Quite a strange response since I didn't mention price. 

 

[firedog]

10 hours ago, Rexp said:

High end audio is not a reletive term. It is reserved for the pinnacle of music reproduction. 

It's by definition a relative term. And clearly there are disagreements about the meaning.

[Salsero_at]

12 hours ago, Rexp said:

High end audio is not a reletive term. It is reserved for the pinnacle of music reproduction. 

I do not see the point of this topic. This will lead to endless discussions what the pinnacle is....

[fas42]

The pinnacle is pretty easy to define - assuming you want accuracy ... if the intention is to have a rig be an additional effects unit, the next one in the chain, going on from the last one used when doing the mastering - then all bets are off! 🙂

 

Continuing from the first goal, if the "high end" system imparts zero audible signature, at any sane volume, for all recordings, then you've got to the top ...

[March Audio]

On 4/14/2021 at 8:53 AM, Rexp said:

High end audio is not a reletive term. It is reserved for the pinnacle of music reproduction. 

Often it is a term used for a pinnacle in price and not performance.

[Rexp]

31 minutes ago, March Audio said:

Often it is a term used for a pinnacle in price and not performance.

Very true, on the other hand some people seem to have a problem with all high priced audio gear, a kind of reverse snobbery. 

[GregWormald]

The trouble with "high end" is that it is basically a content-free term. We all know what "high" means, but "end" in the context is meaningless.

"High price"—OK. "High accuracy"—OK, "High appearance"—OK, "High reputation"—OK, "High end"—what?

[fas42]

high-end:

adjective

 

intended for people who want very good quality products and who do not mind how much they cost:

[Rexp]

Wikipedia says High-end Audio can either be high priced or high quality which is clearly wrong. High priced and low qualty exists particularly with digital gear and is a scam/snake oil. 

[davide256]

I've stopped using anything from Darko. He's more interested in peddling "hip" components then reviewing for comparative merit. Its all about how many

views he gets.

[Sam Lord]

How odd, I think he has one the most sensible and responsible approaches I've seen.

On 4/18/2021 at 2:58 PM, davide256 said:

I've stopped using anything from Darko. He's more interested in peddling "hip" components then reviewing for comparative merit. Its all about how many

views he gets.

 

[Rexp]

5 hours ago, Sam Lord said:

How odd, I think he has one the most sensible and responsible approaches I've seen.

 

Lol, Darko name drops Frank Schroeder fitted the cartridge to his Rega P2, yet Mr Schroeder rightly classes this deck as Entry-level, Darko gives it 9 out of 10. He also pokes fun at the idea there are huge SQ improvements to be had by upgrading. If you've never heard a high end system I guess you might find this comforting.