COMPUTERS MURDERED MODERN MUSIC

[NOMBEDES]

My thesis:  Computers, Algorithms and advanced technology killed modern music or have your wondered why most popular music sounds the same?

 

My proof:

 

1. Autotune.  (no further explanation required)

 

2. Algorithms used by music streaming companies constantly monitor your listening habits so they can provide you with more music the computer believes you would like to hear.  Hence, your exposure to musical diversity becomes narrow.  Over time you subconsciously bond to computer generated playlists.  This trend is exceptionally dangerous as it, over time, could eliminate entire sub categories of music and/or stifle new music and artists.

 

3.  Music composition based on computer measured brain response to certain sounds and timing patterns.  Hence Taylor Swift et. al.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JoeWhip]

Computers are just a tool. The music industry murdered music.

[botrytis]

10 minutes ago, NOMBEDES said:

My thesis:  Computers, Algorithms and advanced technology killed modern music or have your wondered why most popular music sounds the same?

 

My proof:

 

1. Autotune.  (no further explanation required)

 

2. Algorithms used by music streaming companies constantly monitor your listening habits so they can provide you with more music the computer believes you would like to hear.  Hence, your exposure to musical diversity becomes narrow.  Over time you subconsciously bond to computer generated playlists.  This trend is exceptionally dangerous as it, over time, could eliminate entire sub categories of music and/or stifle new music and artists.

 

3.  Music composition based on computer measured brain response to certain sounds and timing patterns.  Hence Taylor Swift et. al.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree. What computers do is make engineers and producers lazy, instead of getting the right recording, it made it easier to make a crap recording sound better. 

 

Algorithms are nothing new. They have been used for a long time to determine ads, etc. 

 

Computers allowed indie groups to record their own music rather than going to a big recording studio/record company to produce their music. I find plenty of new artists on Bandcamp, etc. If anything the old style music industry stifled new artists.

 

 

[botrytis]

2 minutes ago, JoeWhip said:

Computers are just a tool. The music industry murdered music.

 

SPOT ON.

 

The recording industry killed itself with greed, nothing more.

 

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8550477/vinyl-record-industry-apollo-masters-plant-fire

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48688743

 

Universal Music had a huge storage warehouse that destroyed innumerable master tapes, which can never be replaced. It was sloppy, arrogant, and just plain dumb.

[Rexp]

Music died in 1982. The world is suffering as a result. 

[R1200CL]

MP3 killed music 😀

DRM is a problem, and SACD could be a success. 
DAB radio is a horrible invention. 
 

Internet (and computers) with almost no limit in bandwidth sampling etc., made music come alive again. 

[CatManDo]

18 hours ago, NOMBEDES said:

My thesis:  Computers, Algorithms and advanced technology killed modern music or have your wondered why most popular music sounds the same?

 

My proof:

 

1. Autotune.  (no further explanation required)

 

2. Algorithms used by music streaming companies constantly monitor your listening habits so they can provide you with more music the computer believes you would like to hear.  Hence, your exposure to musical diversity becomes narrow.  Over time you subconsciously bond to computer generated playlists.  This trend is exceptionally dangerous as it, over time, could eliminate entire sub categories of music and/or stifle new music and artists.

 

3.  Music composition based on computer measured brain response to certain sounds and timing patterns.  Hence Taylor Swift et. al.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Classical music and jazz have been pronounced dead multiple times in the last 50 years, although they use traditional acoustic instruments

 

2: Exposure to new music is now easier than anytime in history. In the 1990's I had to go to a public library and borrow a couple of CDs per week in order to discover little known music I had read (in expensive magazines) or heard about. At that time, most people only heard music on the radio, which was mostly Top100 stuff, i.e. worse than streaming algorithms.

 

3. Pop acts have always tried to compose songs with the aim of making a hit, and followed popular trends by copying. No computer required for that

[botrytis]

1 hour ago, R1200CL said:

MP3 killed music 😀

DRM is a problem, and SACD could be a success. 
DAB radio is a horrible invention. 
 

Internet (and computers) with almost no limit in bandwidth sampling etc., made music come alive again. 

 

MP3 just made music easier to listen to in a small format that sounded better than an FM Radio, while out and about. Jes saying....

 

I agree about DRM - MQA REALLY WOULD KILL MUSIC.

[asdf1000]

20 hours ago, NOMBEDES said:

2. Algorithms used by music streaming companies constantly monitor your listening habits so they can provide you with more music the computer believes you would like to hear.  Hence, your exposure to musical diversity becomes narrow.  Over time you subconsciously bond to computer generated playlists.  This trend is exceptionally dangerous as it, over time, could eliminate entire sub categories of music and/or stifle new music and artists.

 

Spotify's evil algorithm recommend this great album to me.

 

 

20 hours ago, NOMBEDES said:

3.  Music composition based on computer measured brain response to certain sounds and timing patterns.  Hence Taylor Swift et. al.  

 

Can you kindly share any evidence of this, regarding Taylor Swift?

 

[botrytis]

15 minutes ago, asdf1000 said:

 

Spotify's evil algorithm recommend this great album to me.

 

 

 

Can you kindly share any evidence of this, regarding Taylor Swift?

 

 

I don't think the research is that far along.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/computer-designed-by-scientists-to-compose-music-which-makes-the-brain-feel-happy-8507437.html

 

It seems Joni Mitchell or Beethoven is..

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28342407/

[Graviton]

Good music started with Bach in 1685 and ended with death of Rachmaninov in 1943 well before electronics arrived. 🤣

[asdf1000]

16 minutes ago, botrytis said:

I don't think the research is that far along.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/computer-designed-by-scientists-to-compose-music-which-makes-the-brain-feel-happy-8507437.html

 

Thanks, I've been aware of this but the OP mentioned Taylor Swift specifically, so I was interested in the source of that info.

[botrytis]

8 minutes ago, asdf1000 said:

 

Thanks, I've been aware of this but the OP mentioned Taylor Swift specifically, so I was interested in the source of that info.

 

 

Me too, actually

[mfsoa]

I enjoy music more now that I can learn from the best drummers in the world on the web and have access to streaming services vs. still using only my pre-computer vinyl collection.

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, botrytis said:

 

 

Me too, actually

 

I wonder if he was thinking of Swedes like Max Martin

 

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/behind-the-music-why-a-few-guys-from-sweden-own-your-playlist/

 

 

[coot]

I feel a new golden era in music enjoyment began with the availability of Qobuz (US) last year specifically and streaming in general. The sheer number of releases now available to me is amazing. Much of it is new to me, never before available or at least unfamiliar. I continue to discover composers and new music each day. Never in my lifetime has such a gigantic musical opportunity presented itself and I'm damned excited about it and enjoying it to the max! 

 

Never would have happened without the computer.

[botrytis]

32 minutes ago, coot said:

I feel a new golden era in music enjoyment began with the availability of Qobuz (US) last year specifically and streaming in general. The sheer number of releases now available to me is amazing. Much of it is new to me, never before available or at least unfamiliar. I continue to discover composers and new music each day. Never in my lifetime has such a gigantic musical opportunity presented itself and I'm damned excited about it and enjoying it to the max! 

 

Never would have happened without the computer.

 

 

See, you're not such an 'old coot' after all  You are right there.

[danadam]

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

I wonder if he was thinking of Swedes like Max Martin

 

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/behind-the-music-why-a-few-guys-from-sweden-own-your-playlist/

 

 

This book talk about the Swedish influence. 
 

The Song Machine - https://www.amazon.com/Song-Machine-Inside-Hit-Factory/dp/0393353281/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=song+machine&qid=1598033404&sprefix=song+ma&sr=8-3

 

 

 

[botrytis]

I really only like a few pop masters. One of them is Nick Lowe. He is called the 'King of the 3 minute song'. He was doing it way before computers

 

 

 

[NOMBEDES]

2 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

I wonder if he was thinking of Swedes like Max Martin

 

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/behind-the-music-why-a-few-guys-from-sweden-own-your-playlist/

 

 

 Yes.  Exactly.  There was a book about this topic, but I can’t remember the title.  The Song Machine, noted above, maybe? Mentioned T. Swift
@kumakuma@asdf1000 et al

[coot]

3 hours ago, botrytis said:

 

 

See, you're not such an 'old coot' after all  You are right there.

Just stay off my lawn, kid!

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98% Classical

[FIndingit]

Vanilla Ice invented rap thus ending singing. 

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

Music was murdered when screaming ("to have a moment" ) replaced singing. I blame Randy Jackson.😁

[asdf1000]

18 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

I wonder if he was thinking of Swedes like Max Martin

 

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/behind-the-music-why-a-few-guys-from-sweden-own-your-playlist/

 

 

 

Those Swedes like Max Martin are real people, they're not computers or AI.

 

Title of this thread is: "computers murdered modern music"

 

Not Swedes murdered modern music.