Sonore opticalRendu

[barrows]

41 minutes ago, jabbr said:

 

Oh yes, I see that their OM1 is $8.90 for 7m and the OM3 is $10.50 🤣

Hahah!  Exactly!  I am just making sure I supply the "official" recommendation, along with additional information...

[vortecjr]

3 hours ago, Steve Bruzonsky said:

Sorry, but I am a bit confused by all this well intended jabber. Since this stuff costs barely nothing, its easier just to get what Barrows uses.

 

So I will get:

 

https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-1000BASE-T-Converter-Switching-TFC-GSFP/dp/B01M32YPHJ/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_4?keywords=Trendnet+TFC-GSFP%2FA&qid=1551653118&s=gateway&sr=8-4-fkmrnull

 

Barrows, I assume your above cable link was for the media converter I already have. Can you give me the proper link to purchase the same cable you have to go with the media converter you use with the upgraded Sonore Signature Rendu SE/System Optique. Thanks.

We have tested this FMC with our gear so no worries here. Your existing FMC might or might not work. I can't say for sure because we have not tested it. 

[Steve Bruzonsky]

6 hours ago, barrows said:

I am using this with complete success here:

 

https://www.colorpowercables.com/fiber-optic-cables-panels/OM3-10Gb-50-125-multimode-duplex-fiber-optic-patch-cable/?sku=D-L2L2-3R2-007M&options=LC/LC-7m-(23ft)

 

With the FMC i linked to, and the Signature Rendu/optical.  I figured using the cable with the ClearCurve feature would be good given the testing and moving stuff around I do here.  But Sonore's official recommendation is for OM1, which is a little more affordable (as in the first cable link).  Either cable will work perfectly with our products and the SFP transceivers we provide.  As the optical networking stuff is mostly fairly affordable, I would suggest starting out with s simple, proven, set up first.  Then if the need to tweak things, or try potential "upgrades" strikes, one has a good proven baseline performance first.  

 

Thanks

[Steve Bruzonsky]

Barrows, out of curiousity, what linear power supply, if any, are you using to power the fiber media converter

 

https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-1000BASE-T-Converter-Switching-TFC-GSFP/dp/B01M32YPHJ/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_4?keywords=Trendnet+TFC-GSFP%2FA&qid=1551653118&s=gateway&sr=8-4-fkmrnull

[barrows]

10 minutes ago, Steve Bruzonsky said:

Barrows, out of curiousity, what linear power supply, if any, are you using to power the fiber media converter

 

https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-1000BASE-T-Converter-Switching-TFC-GSFP/dp/B01M32YPHJ/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_4?keywords=Trendnet+TFC-GSFP%2FA&qid=1551653118&s=gateway&sr=8-4-fkmrnull

Hi Steve.  i am not using any special tweaks or supplies for the FMC right now, just running the stock cheap switcher!  Still, performance is spectacular here.  Of course at some point I will probably try another supply, or maybe wait 'til the opticalModule becomes available to try other things.  Note, in my system the FMC is in the workroom where all the commercial computer gear is, and not anywhere near the audio system.  That FMC takes 5V at 1A, so any supply capable of that output should work.  I am too busy right now to build something up for it...

[vortecjr]

FYI I added links to the systemOptique approved optical gear to the top post. I’ll add more as they are confirmed. 

[iLguapo]

Does that mean the optical Rendu started shipping out too?

[TubeLover]

Anyone best able to respond to this is welcome. Would I be correct in thinking that the design and functionality of the Sonore Optical Rendu would likely eliminate the benefit of adding an ISO Regen, as has improved my UltraRendu  meaningfully? 

 

JC 

[vortecjr]

On 3/11/2019 at 11:23 PM, iLguapo said:

Does that mean the optical Rendu started shipping out too?

Not yet. Only the Signature Rendu SE units that have been updated to optical input have stared shipping.  

[vortecjr]

5 hours ago, TubeLover said:

Anyone best able to respond to this is welcome. Would I be correct in thinking that the design and functionality of the Sonore Optical Rendu would likely eliminate the benefit of adding an ISO Regen, as has improved my UltraRendu  meaningfully? 

 

JC 

Some people are doing this, but we have not endorsed it officially or tested without. 

[iLguapo]

How is it coming along?  Are we looking good for a pre-tax due day delivery ?  That will really balance things out 

[vortecjr]

On 3/16/2019 at 8:33 PM, iLguapo said:

How is it coming along?  Are we looking good for a pre-tax due day delivery ?  That will really balance things out 

Currently waiting on cases and fine tuning the operating system. I'm not able to post an expected ship date at this time. 

[vortecjr]

This weekend I plan to test this StarTech USB to fiber media converter

This adapter would allow one to stream from a computer directly via optical Ethernet to an opticalRendu and provide 100% galvanic isolation over the connection. 

 

There are a couple of versions available on Amazon here: https://amzn.to/2ue7hSf

1. StarTech USB A to Fiber Optic Converter, open SFP, Gigabit Ethernet

2. StarTech USB C to Fiber Optic Converter, open SFP, Gigabit Ethernet

[R1200CL]

57 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

This adapter would allow one to stream from a computer directly via optical Ethernet to an opticalRendu and provide 100% galvanic isolation over the connection.

 

This must be a product John can make even better as one of his next possible next projects 😀

 

USB to Ethernet converter. 

[Superdad]

5 hours ago, vortecjr said:

This weekend I plan to test this StarTech USB to fiber media converter.

 

How would that be different or better than someone using your (less expensive and more optimized) opticalModule FMC—connected to the copper Ethernet port of their computer?

That StarTech unit does not act as a switch or router, so as with any FMC, the computer would still need another network connection—and I recall you are not a fan of people doing the problematic “bridging” dance.

Maybe a USB>fiber converter will be useful for laptops lacking an Ethernet port, but again, that fiber output still needs to go to someplace on the network which will give it an IP address.

 

Am I missing something here my friend? 

—Alex C.

[k-man]

@Superdad You need to see this thread to see what this ‘forward thinking’ approach is all about.

This will please the Bridge Gang a lot.

 

 

 

[jcn3]

3 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

How would that be different or better than someone using your (less expensive and more optimized) opticalModule FMC—connected to the copper Ethernet port of their computer?

That StarTech unit does not act as a switch or router, so as with any FMC, the computer would still need another network connection—and I recall you are not a fan of people doing the problematic “bridging” dance.

Maybe a USB>fiber converter will be useful for laptops lacking an Ethernet port, but again, that fiber output still needs to go to someplace on the network which will give it an IP address.

 

Am I missing something here my friend? 

—Alex C.

 

wouldn't it be advantageous to go endpoint > usb to fiber converter > fiber > sfp port on switch?  that would leave out a couple of power supplies at least.

[Superdad]

3 hours ago, k-man said:

@Superdad You need to see this thread to see what this ‘forward thinking’ approach is all about.

This will please the Bridge Gang a lot.

 

The MSB USB>fiber solution functions VASTLY different from the way a common USB>fiber media converter! (such as the StarTech that Jesus mentioned).  The USB of the MSB piece presents as a USB Audio device (driverless for Mac/Linux, drivers for Windows).  Your OS and player s/w sees it as a USB audio device that you stream to.

The StarTech and other USB FMCs are simply turning a computer USB port into an Ethernet port (one that needs to be assigned an IP address by a router on whatever network you connect it to).  Audio is not involved--unless you have s/w and an Ethernet audio endpoint on your network awaiting that.  

VERY different streams! 

[Superdad]

26 minutes ago, jcn3 said:

 

wouldn't it be advantageous to go endpoint > usb to fiber converter > fiber > sfp port on switch?  that would leave out a couple of power supplies at least.

 

Not quite following you, other than that the StarTech USB>fiber converter is powered by computer USB 5VBUS and the Sonore opticalModule FMC (as well as lesser, garden variety FMCs) does require a modest power supply.

Beyond that I'll await Jesus' explanation regarding the rationale for his interest in the StarTech.  I am genuinely curious. 

[vortecjr]

4 hours ago, Superdad said:

 

How would that be different or better than someone using your (less expensive and more optimized) opticalModule FMC—connected to the copper Ethernet port of their computer?

That StarTech unit does not act as a switch or router, so as with any FMC, the computer would still need another network connection—and I recall you are not a fan of people doing the problematic “bridging” dance.

Maybe a USB>fiber converter will be useful for laptops lacking an Ethernet port, but again, that fiber output still needs to go to someplace on the network which will give it an IP address.

 

Am I missing something here my friend? 

—Alex C.

The opticalModule is not available yet and this is just another connection scheme. Also, Andrew has a lot of sonicTransporters in the wild and this would be a simple and effective way to convert them to optical output without the need for another power supply. I'm going to test with my Mac which can access the internet via WiFi and assign an IP address to another unit. Andrew has code in his sonicTransporters to access the internet via Ethernet and assign an IP address to another unit. So we just need to load the driver to get this to work.  

[Superdad]

2 hours ago, vortecjr said:

The opticalModule is not available yet and this is just another connection scheme. Also, Andrew has a lot of sonicTransporters in the wild and this would be a simple and effective way to convert them to optical output without the need for another power supply. 

 

Ah, makes sense.  Something fun to try. Thanks.  

[And indeed Macs make it easy to share a network connection with other ports/devices.  I've been doing that for years with the Apple Thunderbolt>Ethernet Adapter.]

[vortecjr]

14 hours ago, k-man said:

@Superdad You need to see this thread to see what this ‘forward thinking’ approach is all about.

This will please the Bridge Gang a lot.

 

 

 

That is not optical Ethernet. It’s also proprietary and only works with their gear. 

[vortecjr]

11 hours ago, jcn3 said:

 

wouldn't it be advantageous to go endpoint > usb to fiber converter > fiber > sfp port on switch?  that would leave out a couple of power supplies at least.

That would add two USB processes to the endpoint and we like to keep USB assigned audio playback only.

[R1200CL]

@vortecjr

I’ve just learn that SFP’s get quite hot, and also requires more power. 

 

Is this correct, and if so, will your opticalRendu and optical Module get quite hot or at least hotter than the UltraRendu ?

 

Is the fiber interface the main reason for a possible more power draw from the opticalRendu ? (Compared to UltraRendu). 

 

This may also limit the possible future implementation of SFP on the SonicTransporter?

 

  

[vortecjr]

On 3/21/2019 at 12:43 PM, R1200CL said:

@vortecjr

I’ve just learn that SFP’s get quite hot, and also requires more power. 

 

Is this correct, and if so, will your opticalRendu and optical Module get quite hot or at least hotter than the UltraRendu ?

 

Is the fiber interface the main reason for a possible more power draw from the opticalRendu ? (Compared to UltraRendu). 

 

This may also limit the possible future implementation of SFP on the SonicTransporter?

I haven’t really noticed the SFP getting hot. It’s light though, but these are LED based and not laser based. The opticalRendu gets warm, but we expected this since there are more linear regulators and more circuits. The opticalModule uses less power.