How DOES the grounding boxes work?

[plissken]

38 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

If you want to be scientific, there are studies about this.  Being confrontationally oppositional with individuals whose beliefs do not make sense has been shown in scientific studies to make them believe *even more strongly*.  So if you wish to be scientific about changing someone's mind, that is not the course to take.

 

I was scientific about it. The Entrec has been measured and posted about at WBF and AudioScienceReview.

 

You can't say I didn't give the reasoned, instrumented, approach first.

Exactly what is my responsibility to be 'nice' to someone that seemingly wants an answer, based in quackery, that isn't possible?

[YashN]

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

You sure seem confident in knowing what others are thinking. With such a mind reading ability, I'm surprised you're in the non-lucrative field of loudspeaker manufacturing. 

 

Seriously, you come off as being a jerk. Whether that is intentional or not, I have no idea. 

 

Oh, *that* AJ.

 

I'm afraid your assessment is correct, Chris, and it is intentional too.

[AnotherSpin]

10 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

Yes of course, Cornan and his box....but if you can walk on water, I'd love to see  that too!

By any mean I would not steal the show from the guy who did it already.

[YashN]

1 minute ago, plissken said:

 

I was scientific about it. The Entrec has been measured and posted about at WBF and AudioScienceReview.

 

You can't say I didn't give the reasoned, instrumented, approach first.

Exactly what is my responsibility to be 'nice' to someone that seemingly wants an answer, based in quackery, that isn't possible?

 

That's laughable: if this measurement is from Amir, he doesn't know how to make proper measurements from the Audio Precision gear with regards to grounding isolation.

 

Anyone taking this measurement from audiosciencemockery or Amir is a quack.

[AJ Soundfield]

3 hours ago, Cornan said:

 

I am no scientist. I have just my very own theories based on the properties of the tourmaline stones.

 

I am interested in any plausible explanation why the grounding boxes affects SQ. 

it seems this was incorrect. Only a very specific one is being sought.

[Jud]

12 minutes ago, Cornan said:

 

My grounding box is connected to the GND screw in the back of my Aqvox switch-8, ie. not connected to power or ground. They could be connected to ground though, but can never replace ground.

 

OK, if it's a box on the end of a wire connected to nothing other than the ground screw, I can't think of a way it would affect ground/leakage currents.

 

The only other thing I can think of is what @marce and others have mentioned, an antenna.  Folks, is there any possible way this wire to the box could change something in the radiated RFI noise from the switch (the AQVOX-8, which is a modded D-Link) that would affect pickup of this radiated noise in the rest of the system?  (I realize we're getting a little far down the path here, but as a dear late friend of mine used to say, "Don't cost nothin'.")

[AJ Soundfield]

2 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said:

By any mean I would not steal the show from the guy who did it already.

Repeatability is key to scientific rigor! 

[plissken]

3 minutes ago, YashN said:

 

That's laughable: if this measurement is from Amir, he doesn't know how to make proper measurements from the Audio Precision gear with regards to grounding isolation.

 

Anyone taking this measurement from audiosciencemockery or Amir is a quack.

 

I'm willing to look at whatever debunking information you have. Links please.

[plissken]

2 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

@marceOK, if it's a box on the end of a wire connected to nothing other than the ground screw, I can't think of a way it would affect ground/leakage currents.

 

I'm concerned here Jud that you have been actively discussing a box that you didn't understand the construction of...

[Jud]

6 minutes ago, plissken said:

Exactly what is my responsibility to be 'nice' to someone that seemingly wants an answer, based in quackery, that isn't possible?

 

No responsibility whatever.  It just depends whether you care if the OP wants to listen, which he's shown some willingness to do if people treat him with the courtesy he requested at the start of the thread.  But you can keep on telling him all he wants to hear is quackery if you feel that will do a better job (or if you don't care whether it does a better job and you're not really talking to the OP).

[plissken]

1 minute ago, Jud said:

 

No responsibility whatever.  It just depends whether you care if the OP wants to listen, which he's shown some willingness to do if people treat him with the courtesy he requested at the start of the thread.  But you can keep on telling him all he wants to hear is quackery if you feel that will do a better job (or if you don't care whether it does a better job and you're not really talking to the OP).

 

Lol. What on earth did Cornan post in this thread lead you to believe in him / her as a 'receptive' listener.

 

Sometimes information presented in these threads may be lost on the OP but serve as food for thought for others down the road.

 

Sometimes seeing the delusion of others will help see our own. I'm no exception to this.

[Jud]

Just now, plissken said:

 

I'm concerned here Jud that you have been actively discussing a box that you didn't understand the construction of...

 

It's not the construction, it's how he had it connected in his system.  I understand how it's intended to be used.  Paul earlier raised the possibility that it might affect ground currents, so I was exploring that possibility.  As you saw in my message, understanding how Cornan is using it, I've said I don't see how it could affect ground currents.

[YashN]

1 minute ago, plissken said:

 

I'm willing to look at whatever debunking information you have. Links please.

 

Do your own work, pal.

 

Do some research instead of continuously propagating mis-measurements and misinformation by Amir, as if you know something about science or audiophile pursuits.

 

I don't need to convince you, I've done my own work.

[AJ Soundfield]

4 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

I'm willing to look at whatever debunking information you have. Links please.

Of Amir being a quack? https://media.tenor.com/images/8156726442614ed2a8c8cf48a923db75/tenor.gif

[Jud]

1 minute ago, plissken said:

 

Lol. What on earth did Cornan post in this thread lead you to believe in him / her as a 'receptive' listener.

 

Heck, I still think of *you* as a potentially receptive listener. 

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, YashN said:

I don't need to convince you, I've done my own work.

Translation: I got nothing but waving hands

[plissken]

2 minutes ago, YashN said:

 

Do your own work, pal.

 

Do some research instead of continuously propagating mis-measurements and misinformation by Amir, as if you know something about science or audiophile pursuits.

 

I don't need to convince you, I've done my own work.

 

Chris, is it possible for you to ban YashN from this thread?

[AJ Soundfield]

5 minutes ago, Jud said:

I understand how it's intended to be used.

Shouldn't the manufacturer make it clear, to avoid these kinds of threads??

[semente]

2 hours ago, plissken said:

 

Chris, with respect. Multiple explanations, that have been ASKED for, have been given, and all dismissed.

 

So given that information AJ, and it's conclusion that I can't find fault with, has made another guess as to not how but WHY the listener thinks the box works.

 

Why does AJ need to be tea and cookies pleasant with someone that is ignoring so much data? He's not being unpleasant, just sometimes it takes a different tact.

 

You could also simply close the thread.

 

One can educate without being scornful or putting down.

Be nice and make CA a better place; it's our responsibility.

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Chris, is it possible for you to ban YashN from this thread?

 

I'm trying to manage competing interests. I have PMs from people asking others to be banned not only from this thread but from the entire site.

 

If everyone just takes a step back, and realizes this is audio not brain surgery, we'll be OK.

[elcorso]

22 minutes ago, marce said:

Why say that people who have bothered to answer and in many cases DO understand what is not going on, just because we (I personally) can not give an answer that is wanted (ie they do work) does not mean are answers are invalid... that's the problem with physics there are rules that even audiophile components cant break...

 

My answer is because Cornan's question is not answered. If the one who answers says that it is not possible because of the sacrosanct laws of Physics, it is fine for me, but let's take a look at the biography of Einstein, now in Nat Geo. On the other hand, those who answer do not own the Grounding Boxes.

 

Please understand me well that I am not defending the effectiveness (or not) of those Boxes, I do not have any nor plan to buy it. What bothers me (and has always bothered me) is as a certain group of this forum (they are almost always the same) is so willing to attack someone who puts a new thread that seems wrong to them because or the laws of Physic. By this way very few people are going to dare to pose new threads.

 

It's better to teach, if you have the knowledge, than to make fun. Isn't it?

 

Roch

[mansr]

8 minutes ago, Jud said:

I understand how it's intended to be used.

The box is primarily intended to transfer money from the audiophool to the manufacturer.

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, semente said:

One can educate without being scornful or putting down.

Be nice and make CA a better place; it's our responsibility.

 

This is exactly the way I look at it. 

 

I put responsibility in the hands of adults and assume they will handle it without the need of an adult babysitter. Some people obviously come here to raise hell, but the vast majority are here to help and be helped.

[plissken]

1 minute ago, semente said:

 

One can educate without being scornful or putting down.

Be nice and make CA a better place; it's our responsibility.

 

We have a difference in opinion. I see my responses being tough, but I don't see them being unfair.

 

I think the hardest thing for Cornan to potentially have to come to grips with is that the grounding box may be adding noise to the system and it may be his preference. I know when I first showed him the measurements of the box that his reaction was visceral and very object to it.

 

That possibility would certainly erode away some who had built up themselves as some sort of connoisseur of audio to realize they have been listening to a noisy system and aligning it with an audiophile system.

 

[wgscott]

Just now, elcorso said:

 

My answer is because Cornan's question is not answered. If the one who answers says that it is not possible because of the sacrosanct laws of Physics, it is fine for me, but let's take a look at the biography of Einstein, now in Nat Geo. On the other hand, those who answer do not own the Grounding Boxes.

 

Please nderstand me well that I am not defending the effectiveness (or not) of those Boxes, I do not have any nor plan to buy it. What bothers me (and has always bothered me) is as a certain group of this forum (they are almost always the same) is so willing to attack someone who puts a new thread that seems wrong to them because or the laws of Physic. By this way very few people are going to dare to pose new threads.

 

It's better to teach, if you have the knowledge, than to make fun. Isn't it?

 

Roch

 

If you ground something, the electrons (which are negatively charged) flow into the earth.  If you have something that is electrically isolated and suspended in space, and not connected to the earth, it cannot dissipate electrons, so no current flows, and no grounding takes place.  This has nothing to do with something like Einstein's discoveries.  In the case of special relativity, Einstein offered a new interpretation of why Maxwell's Laws of Electrodynamics were invariant under a Lorentz transformation. Einstein did not change the laws of electrodynamics in any way whatsoever.

 

As for me, I suggested he take advantage of the free on-line physics lectures that MIT has made available.  It is a tremendously valuable, high-quality resource from one of the best institutions in the world.  How is that making fun of anything?