Popular Post Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 I think it's time to see if we can unite in a subject that stir up a lot of feelings here at CA. It is like a new USB cable discussion. So, how about the grounding boxes? Why do they work? How could they possibly improve SQ? Considering the tons of great reviews they must work in some way, right? This thread belongs to both believers and disbelievers of grounding boxes. Let's get this hot subject sorted out ones and for all! ? Anything from scientific materials to personal ideas are most welcomed. I am a personal believer in that scientist is just a person with an extremely curious mind. Above all keep it civil and without any personal attacks or "stupid" comments please! ? louisxiawei and mozes 2 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
esldude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 They don't work. Next! And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
esldude Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 They do work. Tremendously well. For audiophiles looking for emotional support they are doing something to clean up their grounding and improve their system. The money spent validates the emotional improvements. carlosmante 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 To start this thread off I can tell a little something about myself. I have used Entreq Cupper Minimus for almost five years and have experimented with it a lot. Before I even bought one I constructed numerous DIY grounding boxes using battery, bentonite clay, tourmalines, rose quartz, clear quartz, Himalayan salt etc etc. The closest to "the real deal" I got was my battery grounder embedded in tourmaline stones that I still use today. Still, it was'nt even close to the Entreq Minimus in performance. How come? I read about stones, grounding and grounding boxes for ages but still did'nt come close enough. What did I miss? 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, esldude said: They do work. Tremendously well. For audiophiles looking for emotional support they are doing something to clean up their grounding and improve their system. The money spent validates the emotional improvements. Hmm, you mean they work or not? Any clues why they work or not? ? 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
plissken Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Based on the: Instrumented data that I have seen The lack of any human, bias controlled testing They don't appear to work other than sighted. Ground means ground. esldude 1 Link to comment
Popular Post pkane2001 Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 They don't work in the following ways: 1. They don't provide a safety ground 2. They don't extract and store noise from the ground plane 3. They don't filter noise 4. They don't attract stray currents or voltages (where "they find peace"! ) 5. They don't work "like a bit of mother Earth" What they might be actually doing: 1. Acting as an antenna receiving (or even broadcasting) signal 2. They might form a common ground across devices if more than one device is connected to the same grounding box/connector (resulting in more cross-talk but possibly fewer ground loops) 3. Their 'technical' explanations sound plausible to folks that don't understand how ground actually works, but sounds like gobbledygook to anyone with basic a Physics education semente, sarvsa, zilch0md and 3 others 6 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, plissken said: Based on the: Instrumented data that I have seen The lack of any human, bias controlled testing They don't appear to work other than sighted. Ground means ground. I would'nt qualify that as a hard evidence against grounding boxes. Bias controlled testing! Common! Just tell me how you think they work. Not by accusing believers of being half deaf. ? carlosmante 1 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Popular Post esldude Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 28 minutes ago, Cornan said: Hmm, you mean they work or not? Any clues why they work or not? ? I mean exactly what I said. Electrically to improve how well your gear functions, they don't work. They will slightly degrade it. As an experiential thing for audiophiles who believe in them, and don't do listening unsighted, or don't measure how things function, they work fabulously well. They also are an excellent product business-wise. gridlock74, zilch0md, wgscott and 1 other 4 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, esldude said: I mean exactly what I said. Electrically to improve how well your gear functions, they don't work. They will slightly degrade it. As an experiential thing for audiophiles who believe in them, and don't do listening unsighted, they work fabulously well. They also are an excellent product business-wise. Quick question. Have you tried them IRL? 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
plissken Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cornan said: I would'nt qualify that as a hard evidence against grounding boxes. Bias controlled testing! Common! Just tell me how you think they work. Not by accusing believers of being half deaf. ? Based on the testing they can act as an antenna and introduce noise into a system. Link to comment
Popular Post esldude Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, Cornan said: Quick question. Have you tried them IRL? Nope. Didn't drink salamander hormones and chop off a finger to see if it would grow back either. I guess in some people's eyes I am unqualified to speak to the effectiveness of salamander hormones or grounding boxes. wgscott, zilch0md, gridlock74 and 3 others 6 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Popular Post mozes Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 They do work! I invited two friends yesterday and I didn't tell them about my new Entreq box. They have never heard of it and they know nothing about it. They asked me how come my system sounds much better than before so they wanted to know if I have a new amp or dac. I told them I just added a grounding box from Entreq. I was a skeptic myself but before you try it in your system, pls don't make any conclusions! Teresa, MikeyFresh, audio.bill and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: They don't work in the following ways: 1. They don't provide a safety ground 2. They don't extract and store noise from the ground plane 3. They don't filter noise 4. They don't attract stray currents or voltages (where "they find peace"! ) 5. They don't work "like a bit of mother Earth" What they might be actually doing: 1. Acting as an antenna receiving (or even broadcasting) signal 2. They might form a common ground across devices if more than one device is connected to the same grounding box/connector (resulting in more cross-talk but possibly fewer ground loops) 3. Their 'technical' explanations sound plausible to folks that don't understand how ground actually works, but sounds like gobbledygook to anyone with basic a Physics education To make it simple I will decide your questions in 1:1 and 2:1 etc. 1:1 No, not what they are suppose to do either 1:2 How do you know? Explain. 1:3 How do you know? Explain. 1:4 How do you know? Explain 1:5 How do you know? Explain 2:1 How do you know? Explain 2:2 Nothing wrong with a common ground AFAIK. 2:3 Then please explain to me as a guy that do understandfor these things! Teresa 1 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, plissken said: Based on the testing they can act as an antenna and introduce noise into a system. Which testings? Please post the links. Teresa 1 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
plissken Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Bottom line is maybe you prefer the added noise: http://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/entreq-signal-grounding-preliminary-measurements.476/page-3#post-11656 Link to comment
Popular Post Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, esldude said: Nope. Didn't drink salamander hormones and chop off a finger to see if it would grow back either. I guess in some people's eyes I am unqualified to speak to the effectiveness of salamander hormones or grounding boxes. Why am I not surprised? Teresa and carlosmante 2 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Popular Post Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, plissken said: Bottom line is maybe you prefer the added noise: http://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/entreq-signal-grounding-preliminary-measurements.476/page-3#post-11656 What makes you think I beleive in that post compared to me own ears? Have you tried any grounding boxes yourself? MikeyFresh and Teresa 2 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Popular Post AJ Soundfield Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 They work on a very simple, well know principle sarvsa, gridlock74, mansr and 2 others 5 Link to comment
plissken Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Cornan said: What makes you think I beleive in that post compared to me own ears? Have you tried any grounding boxes yourself? Again, I said you MAY PREFER THE ADDED NOISE. Link to comment
Popular Post Kal Rubinson Posted July 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, Cornan said: Just tell me how you think they work. Not by accusing believers of being half deaf. ? They work by having believers. sarvsa, semente, zilch0md and 4 others 7 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, AJ Soundfield said: They work on a very simple, well know principle AJ Soundfiield. I am not surpriced to find you here! ? 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, plissken said: Again, I said you MAY PREFER THE ADDED NOISE. But I may NOT! ? Teresa 1 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
Cornan Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Kal Rubinson said: They work by having believers. You could be one as well. If you ever try one! ? Teresa 1 🎛️ Audio System Link to comment
AJ Soundfield Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Cornan said: What makes you think I beleive in that post compared to me own ears? I had no idea there were so many advocates for blind listening here. Bravo sir. Yes, own ears is the way to test this. No peeking, etc, etc Link to comment
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