A novel way to massively improve the SQ of computer audio streaming

[beautiful music]

7 hours ago, LTG2010 said:

Take the little black bridging connector off JP341 and slide it onto the connectors adjacent to R342. There is a photo floating around somewhere.

My unit was set to 12v so I think there is not a jumper in my board, here is my question, can I use the jumper that had been used in HDD?

[Johnseye]

16 minutes ago, beautiful music said:

My unit was set to 12v so I think there is not a jumper in my board, here is my question, can I use the jumper that had been used in HDD?

 

Yes but be careful and make sure there isn't a jumper already there. 

[Advieira]

I´ve a mac mini and I could not create the bridge as taught by @romaz. But I could share internet with thunderbolt.

My questions are:

- Would the sound quality be the same?

- I´m using router>macmini(thunderbolt)>macmini(ethernet)>SMS-200Ultra>Vega. The correct sequence is this?

[bobfa]

What an amazing collection of information. It took me over three days of “spare” time to read the whole thing.  Thanks to EVERONE.

 

I am evolving my systems and have upgraded my DAC/AMP  to the new Brooklyn DAC+ and AMP.  My current front end is Sonic Transporter i5 and an microrendu.  I have SOTM SMS-200 ultra and a modded switch on the way. I have held off on the USB re-clock part for just a bit.  I am looking at the grounding and shielding ideas that I can do on my own.  The idea of sleeving the USB with a shield and grounding the Switchs, etc.  will be fun.

 

i have a couple of server questions.

 

Has anyone used the new Sonic Transporter i7 bridged server?

 

I am looking to try my i7 Intel NUC with Windows 10 to see how that works for sound quality and bridging networks.  There was a whole section in the thread on out manually optimizing windows.  Does anyone have any thoughts about that or one of the methods?

 

—-RJF

[zackthedog]

25 minutes ago, bobfa said:

What an amazing collection of information. It took me over three days of “spare” time to read the whole thing.  Thanks to EVERONE.

 

I am evolving my systems and have upgraded my DAC/AMP  to the new Brooklyn DAC+ and AMP.  My current front end is Sonic Transporter i5 and an microrendu.  I have SOTM SMS-200 ultra and a modded switch on the way. I have held off on the USB re-clock part for just a bit.  I am looking at the grounding and shielding ideas that I can do on my own.  The idea of sleeving the USB with a shield and grounding the Switchs, etc.  will be fun.

 

i have a couple of server questions.

 

Has anyone used the new Sonic Transporter i7 bridged server?

 

I am looking to try my i7 Intel NUC with Windows 10 to see how that works for sound quality and bridging networks.  There was a whole section in the thread on out manually optimizing windows.  Does anyone have any thoughts about that or one of the methods?

 

—-RJF

 

I've never found heavy optimization schemes to work very well for me, beyond what you can find at the Focusrite website.  Far more interesting to me is the comment by Peter of Phasure Audio about the sound of different Windows builds.  It's on page 3 or 4 of this thread:

 

If you go the the XXHighend forum, you can find a thread about downloading various Windows 10 builds.  Just my .02.

 

 

[auricgoldfinger]

14 hours ago, bobfa said:

What an amazing collection of information. It took me over three days of “spare” time to read the whole thing.  Thanks to EVERONE.

 

I am evolving my systems and have upgraded my DAC/AMP  to the new Brooklyn DAC+ and AMP.  My current front end is Sonic Transporter i5 and an microrendu.  I have SOTM SMS-200 ultra and a modded switch on the way. I have held off on the USB re-clock part for just a bit.  I am looking at the grounding and shielding ideas that I can do on my own.  The idea of sleeving the USB with a shield and grounding the Switchs, etc.  will be fun.

 

i have a couple of server questions.

 

Has anyone used the new Sonic Transporter i7 bridged server?

 

I am looking to try my i7 Intel NUC with Windows 10 to see how that works for sound quality and bridging networks.  There was a whole section in the thread on out manually optimizing windows.  Does anyone have any thoughts about that or one of the methods?

 

—-RJF

 

I don't run Windows 10, but a lot of people seem to like this optimization software:

 

https://www.highend-audiopc.com/audiophile-optimizer

[KingRex]

I probably have a completely different design of system, but wonder if an upgraded Ethernet cable would benefit me.   I have a purpose built computer music server with LPS and multiple rails to power internal devices such as drives, mother board etc.  I run Server 16 with AO.   I connect my server to my DAC with a nice USB Cable.  I get a lot of my music from Tidal and my NAS.  I have cat 6 throughout my home.  I have a pretty cheap jumper from the wall to my server and was looking to upgrade it.  This is where I was wondering if a filtered Ethernet cable and or a iSO LAN isolator  would benefit my system.  Is anyone else configured as I am and tried these products to know if you get a decent return on the $.

 

If I were to add a linear PS to my network switch, modem and NAS, would the iSO not be so important.

 

Thanks

[mozes]

I have spent some time trying to find the best solution for hosting OS and data in my sCLK-EX modded server. Because it is messy and not straight forward to keep swapping between OS hosted on a SATA SSD and a USB HDD (plugged to tX-USB-exp), I couldn't test all possible iterations. However, I managed to test some scenarios and below is my subjective rankings of SQ. Score is out of 100.

 

1- HDD (OS+Data) via tX-USBexp: 98 (more air, holographic, more dynamics)

 

2-SSD (OS)+SOTM SATA II filter: 96

 

3- HDD (OS+Data)+SOTM SATA II filter: 94 (very warm and lush at the expense of air and extended highs). My interpretation here is that we may have too much filtering between the tX-USBexp and SATA II filter.

 

4-SSD (OS):88 (smaller sound stage, flatter sound)

 

In all of the above scenarios, playing the music from the HDD sounded better than playing it from the SSD.

You should realize that the differences are very small and it really it doersn't matter if you don't do critical A/B testing with the exception of scenario 4 which was clearly inferior.

 

Two more significant boosts to SQ

So I went with scenario 1 and worked on optimizing it. The first significant boost in SQ I got is when I removed the enclosure of the 2.5inch 2TB HDD which was powered by USB3.0 from the tX-USP-exp (LPS-1). I went with the recommendation of @seeteeyou and ordered the SATA to USB3.0 adapter from Addonics. This enabled me to power the HDD from a TP-Link power bank and obviously I switched off the Vbus power on the tX-USBexp. This was a great improvement, more than switching between any of the above 4 scenarios. Thank you @seeteeyou, I am grateful! this is the link if someone is interested.

 

http://www.addonics.com/products/adsau3.php

 

 

The second significant boost in SQ I got was yesterday when, I replaced the TP-Link power bank with a 20,000mAH Lithium-ion 12V battery with a DC link that has 3 LT3045 1A boards in series to drop th voltage from 12V to 5V (9V>7.1V>5V). I had to butcher a USB 3.0 cable as I found out that the USB 3.0 B connector needs its own 5V power, so the HDD is powered by the 15 pin SATA power and also the Vbus of the USB 3.0 cable is connected to the same battery. 

I tried an Elijah USB 2.0 Cable between the HDD and the tX-USBexp, I heard a very subtle to no difference in SQ. So a USB 2.0 cable also works for OS and data. I kept the USB 3.0 generic cable ($7 cable) as I felt it is better to have faster speed for OS.

 

My weak link while it may not be so, is the cheapo USB 3.0 cable, but there are no audiophile USB 3.0 cables out there, if anyone knows of any or have a better recommendation, please let me know.

 

I hope this helps!

 

P.S. I am trying to be descriptive without throwing hypotheses or theories, as I am not technically proficient in computers/software although I have some thoughts of what is going on there, but will leave this to more knowledgeable and smarter guys on this thread.

 

 

[Cornan]

22 minutes ago, mozes said:

I have spent some time trying to find the best solution for hosting OS and data in my sCLK-EX modded server. Because it is messy and not straight forward to keep swapping between OS hosted on a SATA SSD and a USB HDD (plugged to tX-USB-exp), I couldn't test all possible iterations. However, I managed to test some scenarios and below is my subjective rankings of SQ. Score is out of 100.

 

1- HDD (OS+Data) via tX-USBexp: 98 (more air, holographic, more dynamics)

 

2-SSD (OS)+SOTM SATA II filter: 96

 

3- HDD (OS+Data)+SOTM SATA II filter: 94 (very warm and lush at the expense of air and extended highs). My interpretation here is that we may have too much filtering between the tX-USBexp and SATA II filter.

 

4-SSD (OS):88 (smaller sound stage, flatter sound)

 

In all of the above scenarios, playing the music from the HDD sounded better than playing it from the SSD.

You should realize that the differences are very small and it really it doersn't matter if you don't do critical A/B testing with the exception of scenario 4 which was clearly inferior.

 

Two more significant boosts to SQ

So I went with scenario 1 and worked on optimizing it. The first significant boost in SQ I got is when I removed the enclosure of the 2.5inch 2TB HDD which was powered by USB3.0 from the tX-USP-exp (LPS-1). I went with the recommendation of @seeteeyou and ordered the SATA to USB3.0 adapter from Addonics. This enabled me to power the HDD from a TP-Link power bank and obviously I switched off the Vbus power on the tX-USBexp. This was a great improvement, more than switching between any of the above 4 scenarios. Thank you @seeteeyou, I am grateful! this is the link if someone is interested.

 

http://www.addonics.com/products/adsau3.php

 

 

The second significant boost in SQ I got was yesterday when, I replaced the TP-Link power bank with a 20,000mAH Lithium-ion 12V battery with a DC link that has 3 LT3045 1A boards in series to drop th voltage from 12V to 5V (9V>7.1V>5V). I had to butcher a USB 3.0 cable as I found out that the USB 3.0 B connector needs its own 5V power, so the HDD is powered by the 15 pin SATA power and also the Vbus of the USB 3.0 cable is connected to the same battery. 

I tried an Elijah USB 2.0 Cable between the HDD and the tX-USBexp, I heard a very subtle to no difference in SQ. So a USB 2.0 cable also works for OS and data. I kept the USB 3.0 generic cable ($7 cable) as I felt it is better to have faster speed for OS.

 

My weak link and may not a be so, is the cheapo USB 3.0 cable, but there are no audiophile USB 3.0 cables out there, if anyone knows of any or have a better recommendation, please let me know.

 

I hope this helps!

 

P.S. I am trying to be descriptive without throwing hypotheses or theories, as I am not technically proficient in computers/software although I have some thoughts of what is going on there, but will leave this to more knowledgeable and smarter guys on this thread.

 

 

 

Great findings Moussa! ?

The LT3045s is awesome. I just ordered a couple of 3A LT3045 single ps boards from a DiyAudio member. I will use them pre my Brooklyn DAC and main router. Expecting a nice SQ jump! ?

 

 

If you are looking for USB 3.0 cables there is the Wireworld USB 3.0 https://store.wireworldcable.com/collections/usb-audio-cables/products/starlight-7-usb-3-0-audio-cables?variant=950479743 but I have no idea if it is good or not. Looks like an interesting cable design to these eyes though. 

[mozes]

10 minutes ago, Cornan said:

 

Great findings Moussa! ?

The LT3045s is awesome. I just ordered a couple of 3A LT3045 single ps boards from a DiyAudio member. I will use them pre my Brooklyn DAC and main router. Expecting a nice SQ jump! ?

 

 

If you are looking for USB 3.0 cables there is the Wireworld USB 3.0 https://store.wireworldcable.com/collections/usb-audio-cables/products/starlight-7-usb-3-0-audio-cables?variant=950479743 but I have no idea if it is good or not. Looks like an interesting cable design to these eyes though. 

Thanks @Cornan, Looks nice this 3A board. I am thinking now of using one LT3045 board pre my wireless bridge. Will see if the battery while charging can pump up more than 12V as the Asus bridge needs 12V.

[Cornan]

9 minutes ago, mozes said:

Thanks @Cornan, Looks nice this 3A board. I am thinking now of using one LT3045 board pre my wireless bridge. Will see if the battery while charging can pump up more than 12V as the Asus bridge needs 12V.

 

I think so too! It was love at first site, but it still took a while for me to pull the plug. I have quite high expectations. When they arrive my whole chain will have LT3045s! ?

You should definately use it for the wireless bridge. The LT3045s have increased SQ everywhere I've tried them. 

 

Here is a link if you're interested in the 3A board http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/310402-fs-ultra-low-noise-power-supply-lt3045-based-pcb-2.html#post5227003

However, I just bought his last two single ps boards. Not sure how fast he can make new ones.

 

 

[austinpop]

I've been busy over the holidays with family and trips, so have not been posting much. Now that I am back from 80º F weather to 20º F weather - yes, we do have winters in Texas, even snow...

 

I have an SR4 and a Zenith SE burning in, and this coming week, have a dedicated AC circuit (6AWG cable and outlet, supplied by Jim Weill of Sound Application) going in to my setup. It will take a few weeks for all of these changes to stabilize and break in, after which I plan to do a lot of critical listening and some comparisons.

 

Please be patient with me.

[hurka]

1 hour ago, Cornan said:

 

I think so too! It was love at first site, but it still took a while for me to pull the plug. I have quite high expectations. When they arrive my whole chain will have LT3045s! ?

You should definately use it for the wireless bridge. The LT3045s have increased SQ everywhere I've tried them. 

 

Here is a link if you're interested in the 3A board http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/310402-fs-ultra-low-noise-power-supply-lt3045-based-pcb-2.html#post5227003

However, I just bought his last two single ps boards. Not sure how fast he can make new ones.

 

 

Lt 3045's based pico psu would be interesting.......

can feed sps 500  example...

[hurka]

The Chinese also do something....

[lmitche]

4 hours ago, mozes said:

I have spent some time trying to find the best solution for hosting OS and data in my sCLK-EX modded server. Because it is messy and not straight forward to keep swapping between OS hosted on a SATA SSD and a USB HDD (plugged to tX-USB-exp), I couldn't test all possible iterations. However, I managed to test some scenarios and below is my subjective rankings of SQ. Score is out of 100.

 

1- HDD (OS+Data) via tX-USBexp: 98 (more air, holographic, more dynamics)

 

2-SSD (OS)+SOTM SATA II filter: 96

 

3- HDD (OS+Data)+SOTM SATA II filter: 94 (very warm and lush at the expense of air and extended highs). My interpretation here is that we may have too much filtering between the tX-USBexp and SATA II filter.

 

4-SSD (OS):88 (smaller sound stage, flatter sound)

 

In all of the above scenarios, playing the music from the HDD sounded better than playing it from the SSD.

You should realize that the differences are very small and it really it doersn't matter if you don't do critical A/B testing with the exception of scenario 4 which was clearly inferior.

 

Two more significant boosts to SQ

So I went with scenario 1 and worked on optimizing it. The first significant boost in SQ I got is when I removed the enclosure of the 2.5inch 2TB HDD which was powered by USB3.0 from the tX-USP-exp (LPS-1). I went with the recommendation of @seeteeyou and ordered the SATA to USB3.0 adapter from Addonics. This enabled me to power the HDD from a TP-Link power bank and obviously I switched off the Vbus power on the tX-USBexp. This was a great improvement, more than switching between any of the above 4 scenarios. Thank you @seeteeyou, I am grateful! this is the link if someone is interested.

 

http://www.addonics.com/products/adsau3.php

 

 

The second significant boost in SQ I got was yesterday when, I replaced the TP-Link power bank with a 20,000mAH Lithium-ion 12V battery with a DC link that has 3 LT3045 1A boards in series to drop th voltage from 12V to 5V (9V>7.1V>5V). I had to butcher a USB 3.0 cable as I found out that the USB 3.0 B connector needs its own 5V power, so the HDD is powered by the 15 pin SATA power and also the Vbus of the USB 3.0 cable is connected to the same battery. 

I tried an Elijah USB 2.0 Cable between the HDD and the tX-USBexp, I heard a very subtle to no difference in SQ. So a USB 2.0 cable also works for OS and data. I kept the USB 3.0 generic cable ($7 cable) as I felt it is better to have faster speed for OS.

 

My weak link while it may not be so, is the cheapo USB 3.0 cable, but there are no audiophile USB 3.0 cables out there, if anyone knows of any or have a better recommendation, please let me know.

 

I hope this helps!

 

P.S. I am trying to be descriptive without throwing hypotheses or theories, as I am not technically proficient in computers/software although I have some thoughts of what is going on there, but will leave this to more knowledgeable and smarter guys on this thread.

 

 

Moussa,

 

Startech USB 3 cables sound best here.  I've been through 4 to 5 brands, but no audiophile versions.  I'm happy with the Startechs  and not going there.

[Johnseye]

2 hours ago, austinpop said:

I've been busy over the holidays with family and trips, so have not been posting much. Now that I am back from 80º F weather to 20º F weather - yes, we do have winters in Texas, even snow...

 

I have an SR4 and a Zenith SE burning in, and this coming week, have a dedicated AC circuit (6AWG cable and outlet, supplied by Jim Weill of Sound Application) going in to my setup. It will take a few weeks for all of these changes to stabilize and break in, after which I plan to do a lot of critical listening and some comparisons.

 

Please be patient with me.

 

I'm surprised by the preliminary results of the SR4.  If after your burn it in further, and it's the same result, I suspect the sPS-500 the better supply and says a lot for Paul's new line.  Disappointing and I'm glad I waited as I was about to order one.

 

Did you buy a Zenith?  That's a lot of coin.  Congrats.

 

I just started a thread on breaker to outlet AC wiring.  Would appreciate your input if you've been doing some research.  6awg is some thick wire.  I'm guessing the outlet is designed for it.  Looks like we continue down the same path.

[mozes]

4 hours ago, Cornan said:

 

I think so too! It was love at first site, but it still took a while for me to pull the plug. I have quite high expectations. When they arrive my whole chain will have LT3045s! ?

You should definately use it for the wireless bridge. The LT3045s have increased SQ everywhere I've tried them. 

 

Here is a link if you're interested in the 3A board http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/310402-fs-ultra-low-noise-power-supply-lt3045-based-pcb-2.html#post5227003

However, I just bought his last two single ps boards. Not sure how fast he can make new ones.

 

 

I will wait to hear your impressions with the Brooklyn.

[mozes]

36 minutes ago, lmitche said:

Moussa,

 

Startech USB 3 cables sound best here.  I've been through 4 to 5 brands, but no audiophile versions.  I'm happy with the Startechs  and not going there.

I have the blue Startech cable as well and the sound is amazing! I picked Startech by luck, great to know that it is the best you tried

[mozes]

29 minutes ago, Johnseye said:

I'm surprised by the preliminary results of the SR4.  If after your burn it in further, and it's the same result, I suspect the sPS-500 the better supply and says a lot for Paul's new line.  Disappointing and I'm glad I waited as I was about to order one.

I am in love with the sPS-500, I am using it with a $75  8 AWG power cord and it is amazing how dynamic it is. However, I couldn't conclude that it is better than the LPS-1. What I found is that the LPS-1 is better powering the sCLK-EX board, but the sPS-500 is better powering the tX-USBexp. No clue why!

 

If you remember my raving post about the 18AH LifePo4 battery powering my server, now this battery doesn't stand a chance against the sPS-500 with an upgraded 16 AWG OCC silver DC cable, the sPS-500 simply smokes this battery in air, transparency and dynamics. 

 

[seeteeyou]

8 hours ago, mozes said:

Two more significant boosts to SQ

So I went with scenario 1 and worked on optimizing it. The first significant boost in SQ I got is when I removed the enclosure of the 2.5inch 2TB HDD which was powered by USB3.0 from the tX-USP-exp (LPS-1). I went with the recommendation of @seeteeyou and ordered the SATA to USB3.0 adapter from Addonics. This enabled me to power the HDD from a TP-Link power bank and obviously I switched off the Vbus power on the tX-USBexp. This was a great improvement, more than switching between any of the above 4 scenarios. Thank you @seeteeyou, I am grateful! this is the link if someone is interested.

 

http://www.addonics.com/products/adsau3.php

 

I'm so glad that's working great for you, I also briefly mentioned the affordability and quality of LT3045 back in October 2017 here

 

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/?page=152&tab=comments#comment-724439

 

Regarding USB 3.0 cables, we've got quite a few choices as listed below

 

http://www.curiouscables.com/buy.html

https://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/gemini3-0/

https://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/mercury3-0/

https://www.startech.com/Cables/USB-3.0/A-B/

http://www.audioquest.com/usb3-digital-audio/diamond

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/cables/galileo/galileodigital/digital/

https://store.wireworldcable.com/products/starlight-7-usb-3-0-audio-cables

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-connectors-Blue-Jeans-brand/dp/B004YF8KG8

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-connectors-Blue-Jeans-brand/dp/B004Z1VRZC

 

For those of us who might be interested in a very different kinda trifecta, SOtM could modify three clocks in a row like this

1. One clock inside the 2.5" SATA drive
2. One clock inside the USB-to-SATA adapter
3. One clock inside tX-USBexp

Most likely we're gonna need something like Intel X25-E according to @romaz because of its low current draw, the clock is sitting between the SATA connectors and the SSD controller as shown below

 

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel-SSD-730-480GB-Full-Review-Overclocked-Data-Center-SSD-Enthusiast

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel-Enterprise-SSD-Roundup/Internals-Testing-Methodology-and-System-Setup

 

Some of us might be still interested in an enclosure for 2.5" drives with 5V DC power input, maybe it's possible to get the clock modified?

 

Inateck FE2006
https://www.amazon.com/Inateck-Enclosure-Support-Optimized-FE2006/dp/B00OFJ1UK6

 

OWC Mercury Elite Pro mini MEPMU3ES
https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Mercury-Bus-Powered-Portable-Enclosure/dp/B00740BJQ8

 

StarTech S2510SM12U33
https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-External-Hard-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B00GYR75GK

 

Century CSS25EU3BK6G
https://www.amazon.co.jp/センチュリー-シンプルBOX2-5-USB3-0-SATA6G-CSS25EU3BK6G/dp/B00OUAJV2O

 

 

BTW, I did find some USB-to-SATA adapters that should be good for more than one 2.5" drive

 

http://www.satadrives.com/usb20espcbfo.html

http://www.cooldrives.com/index.php/usb20espcbfo.html

https://www.amazon.com/Oodelay-eSATA-Port-Multiplier-Controller/dp/B00PZ7347E

https://www.amazon.com/Oodelay-eSATA-6Gbps-Multiplier-Controller/dp/B00T22JUT4

https://www.amazon.com/eSATA-SATAIII-controllers-driver-less-retain/dp/B00U9EIRMA

 

If we're looking for a REALLY low current draw, it's hard to be CF and SD cards as I mentioned before

 

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/?page=217&tab=comments#comment-757303

 

Apparently we could also ask SOtM to modify the clocks inside card readers

 

https://www.kogan.com/usermanuals/usb-30-universal-memory-card-reader/

http://goughlui.com/2014/02/17/review-teardown-kogan-usb-3-0-universal-memory-card-reader/

 

https://www.amazon.com/USB-Gen1-All-UHS-II-Multi/dp/B01443P08K

http://goughlui.com/2017/06/01/quick-review-teardown-transcend-rdf9k-uhs-ii-usb-3-13-0-card-reader/

[Lebouwsky]

In an older post I’ve reported I didn’t notice an improvement  with the lan bridge. Because my motherboard doesn’t have a double lan port I used an “usb to lan adapter”.

 

What I’ve noticed during critical listening these hollidays is that the usb to lan adapter degrades the sound (a lot). So all of you who plan to use an usb to sata adapter, be carefull. My adapter is out of the chain and is never coming back.

[seeteeyou]

On 11/6/2017 at 12:52 AM, mozes said:

In this case, does it make sense to consider Pico ITX boards?

 

Recently I was reading quite a bit about something called MIOe from Advantech

 

http://www2.advantech.com/mio_extension/

http://www2.advantech.com/embcore/promotions/mio_brochure_0604.pdf

http://www2.advantech.com/embcore/promotions/whitepaper/Design_Benefits_of_the_MIO_Extension_Solution.pdf

 

All MIOe modules should cost less than 100 bucks

 

https://www.mouser.com/Advantech/Embedded-Solutions/Interface-Modules/_/N-5g1o?P=1yv2wobZ1yv2wde

http://download.advantech.com.tw/ProductFile/PIS/MIOE-PWR1/Product - Datasheet/MIO Extension Modules_DS(12.19.13)20131224135914.pdf

 

Industrial Pico-ITX boards MIO-2360 with Celeron N3350 could be purchased for roughly $225

 

https://ipc2u.com/catalog/mio-2360n-s1a1e

https://my.advantech.com/Product/Model_Detail.aspx?model_no=MIO-2360

http://linuxgizmos.com/advantechs-first-five-apollo-lake-sbcs-include-mini-itx-pico-itx-models/

http://advdownload.advantech.com/productfile/Downloadfile2/1-1E4FC8Q/MIO-2360_User_Manual_ed.1_FINAL.pdf#page=13

Quote

4 PCI-Express x1 Lanes
Lane 1 &2: MIOe connector
Lane 3: Full-size Mini PCIe connector
Lane 4: Intel i210 GbE controller

 

http://advdownload.advantech.com/productfile/Downloadfile2/1-1E4FC8Q/MIO-2360_User_Manual_ed.1_FINAL.pdf#page=21

Quote

 

Interface
SMBus, 2 x USB3.0, LPC, 2 x PCIe x1, line out, DisplayPort/HDMI*, +5 Vsb/+12 Vsb power, Power On, Reset, SATA*.

 

Total peripheral power supply output
5V @ 3A for CPU board and MI/O Extension module totally, 12V @ 2A for MI/O Extension module.

 

 

I could count three (top side = 1 and bottom side = 2) clocks when I was looking at page 22

 

http://advdownload.advantech.com/productfile/Downloadfile2/1-1E4FC8Q/MIO-2360_User_Manual_ed.1_FINAL.pdf#page=22

 

There's another $80 evaluation board MIOE-DB2100 that's designed for a different model MIO-3260 with Celeron N2930

 

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Advantech/MIOE-DB2100-00A1E/?qs=OCoHSBuAoyt9N2SSzkMOzg==

http://www.advantech.com/products/mi{{--o_extension_evaluation_board/mioe-db2100/mod_f7f2d694-863b-4bc2-b67b-00b31359f4f4

http://download.advantech.com.tw/ProductFile/Downloadfile1/1-X5X9S6/MIOe-DB2100_User_Manual_Ed.1-FINAL.pdf

 

We could power MIO-2360 and the expansion board separately so that could be a bonus, not to mention that both of them don't come with 5.5-mm DC power connectors (i.e. high impedance) by default.

 

Now the question really is how much is a custom-made expansion board that's compliant with their specifications

 

https://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/AdvantechMIOExtensionSpecification_V10.pdf

[Cornan]

7 hours ago, hurka said:

Lt 3045's based pico psu would be interesting.......

can feed sps 500  example...

 

Indeed! ? I have been thinking about sPS-500 or SR4, but so far I am holding on to my beloved Gophert csp-3205II. A new PSU have to be amazing to sound better. The new 3A LT3045 single ps pre Brooklyn DAC will be powered by the Gophert as well. If I do not end up happy (which I doubt) I will probably opt for a sPS-500.

[hurka]

Just now, Cornan said:

 

Indeed! ? I have been thinking about sPS-500 or SR4, but so far I am holding on to my beloved Gophert csp-3205II. A new PSU have to be amazing to sound better. The new 3A LT3045 single ps pre Brooklyn DAC will be powered by the Gophert as well. If I do not end up happy (which I doubt) I will probably opt for a sPS-500.

I'm ordered 4 pcs Chinese 3045, split the sps500 9v to  5v,5v,7v,7v  with lt boards.Feed iso r,tx usb ultra,singxer F1.

Just want trial how degrade the SQ. Vs 4 independent u cap psu.

[Cornan]

18 minutes ago, hurka said:

I'm ordered 4 pcs Chinese 3045, split the sps500 9v to  5v,5v,7v,7v  with lt boards.Feed iso r,tx usb ultra,singxer F1.

Just want trial how degrade the SQ. Vs 4 independent u cap psu.

 

Great stuff! Be sure to report back your findings. The independant u cap psu is surely in for a cat fight! ?