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  1. But for all out "low impedance", it looks like the Dean's ULT might be the best: 0.13 milliohms is nearly an order of magnitude less impedance than the GX-16.
  2. Yes, very much interested to know your findings. With the giant LiFePO4 batteries I have here, without spending a lot of money, you can buy these 6awg DC cables terminated with ring terminals on one end (to connect to the battery) and PowerPole connectors on the other end to connect to the power supply. These connectors are genderless and very securely snap on. They can also be crimped instead of soldered for a more secure fit without the coloration that soldering adds. https://www.impulseelectronics.com/power-cable-75-amp-powerpole-to-eyelet-terminal/ https://powerwerx.com/5900-bk-anderson-power-6awg
  3. Boulder amps use 250V 32A connectors and that connector is just massive: Even though the Neutrik PowerCon 32A connectors can pass 32A of 250V AC, the contact resistance of that connector is only still about 3 milliohms and so with regards to contact resistance for low voltage power supplies like the ARC6, this connector is not really an improvement over the GX-16:
  4. According to Paul Hynes: Gold-plated DIN connector: 5 milliohms impedance Silver-plated XLR connector: 3 milliohms Jaeger: <1 milliohm According to Sean Jacobs and Farad: GX-16: 3 milliohms With the GX16 4-pin connectors, if 2 pins are paralleled, you can cut impedance in half to about 1.5 milliohms. Neutrik Speakon connector (according to Neutrik): ≤3 milliohms (https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/nl4fc) So the Speakon not really better than GX-16. The GX-16 connectors currently being used in the ARC6 prototype are sourced in the U.K. and are 10x the cost of the ones you can buy from China. A potential option yet to be explored are the Anderson PowerPole connectors which report a contact resistance of only 0.6 milliohms: https://powerwerx.com/anderson-261g2-powerpole-contact-pp45 https://www.acerracing.com/collections/powerpole-connectors For reference, the resistance of 16awg copper DC wire is about 4 milliohms per foot. Barrel connectors have a contact resistance of about 30 milliohms each! If you're using 1 meter of DC wire with barrel connectors on each end, then your ultra low impedance PSU is no longer ultra low impedance. With so much effort to get the ARC6 to sub 1-milliohm levels, you potentially throw away the effort if you use long DC cabling and bad connectors and so while the connectors on the final spec ARC6 DC4 has yet to be established, the GX-16 connectors are by far not your worst option.
  5. The Taiko GaN DC-ATX converter can handle any DC input between 16-40V and so as long as it sees voltage within this range, regulation is not important.
  6. Emile tried powering an Extreme using his GaN DC-ATX converter and a giant 24V battery and the results were not positive. Personally, I think I am done with batteries for directly powering digital components. As for a GaN-based inverter, I have not seen one. The problem with DC-to-AC inversion is that the DSP involved introduces distortion, sometimes >10%. I would not automatically assume, for example, that a giant Tesla 13.5kWh Powerwall battery that people can buy for their homes will sound better than AC power from the grid because the inverters used are not audiophile quality. The best off-the-shelf inverters I have looked at, the distortion ratings are around 2% but those are lower power (sub 2500 watt inverters). The very expensive Stromtank S2500 that I tried claims a line distortion of about 2% but the problem I had with that battery-powered inverter is that transients were soft. You really have to use a massive array of paralleled cells to achieve very low output impedance for this to sound good but the expense goes up and so does the size of the unit.
  7. Yes, lots of possible options for DC wire but those high-impedance barrel connectors are instant turn offs and make the whole setup look cheap. I think the connectors are potentially more damaging than the wire.
  8. When we were dealing with batteries that could discharge up to 1000A and 6AWG DC wire between the batteries and the DC4, we looked at a variety of connectors besides the Jaeger. @Nenon liked this one from Amphenol Industrial but we never got around to trying it. With the ARC6, the only connectors we have to worry about are with the umbilical that connects the ARC6 to DAVE but the limitation is the Molex connector which cannot accommodate anything bigger than 15.5AWG wire and so the ARC6 prototype that I have is using the GX16 connectors. Among the worst connectors are the barrel connectors. Those are high impedance.
  9. The cable capacitance you're talking about is a different story. As Dana himself is fond of saying, unlike a power supply, a cable is a passive device and its only job is to get out of the way. A perfect cable that will do no harm will have zero resistance/impedance, capacitance, and inductance but the only cable that would approach this would be a super conductor. Since super conductors also require super cooling (to zero degrees Kelvin), this impracticality makes all audio cables inherently imperfect and so all cables will add something to the signal, whether it be digital or analog. Reducing resistance is fairly easy, just use a large enough conductor. Inductance and capacitance are tougher to deal with and tend to be a zero sum game where construction techniques that decrease one will increase the other. The trick is to balance them well and it seems this is where cable manufacturers get creative. Adding capacitance can sometimes add a warmth or softness that is desired and so playing with these parameters could be useful for sound tuning. With the giant capacitor arrays used in the ARC6, the goal is different. Used pre-regulator, these giant capacitor arrays serve as energy reservoirs to make sure the regulators are never starved of current. This would be one way to effectively lower output impedance.
  10. Steve, the Neotech single-crystal copper that Sean uses as his standard wire is a very competent wire and if it's all you heard with an ARC6, I'm pretty sure you will be pleased and wonder if you really need anything better. This is how I felt. But then @Nenon lent me his Mundorf Silver/Gold (MSG) umbilical and that proved to be an expensive mistake because once I heard it, it was difficult not to go with it. Performance-wise, it offers a bit better resolution but it was really the tonal qualities of this wire that I like. Tonally, the sound is more intense and more alive without sounding too forward or fatiguing. Unlike some silver wire, it does not sound bright or thin and, in fact, it portrays timbres beautifully and accurately (to my ears) but if you're looking for relaxed and laid back, stick with the Neotech. One word of caution, MSG wire is not cheap and so it is not a high value upgrade. My suggestion is if you already own these Shunyata cables, go with what you have and see what you think. I have not experimented with power cords yet for the ARC6 and while I'm confident they'll make a difference, for now, this inexpensive (I paid $200 USD for it years ago), unfiltered TG SLVR power cord (hand built by the late Bob Crump) that I'm using on the ARC6 is very satisfying.
  11. It's been awhile since I've posted on this thread. I like to post when I feel I have something meaningful to contribute. Hopefully, some of you will find this to be meaningful. If you have no interest in the Chord DAVE or in power supplies in general, then feel free to ignore this long post. It is the storyline of how the ARC6 DC4 for DAVE came to be. In November of 2017, while in he U.K. visiting Rob Watts, he was kind enough to share with me the necessary specifications for building an external PSU for DAVE. In exchange, he had expressed a desire to hear this PSU during his planned visit to my home in March of 2018. While still in the U.K., I initially approached Paul Hynes with this PSU project. He expressed interest in it and was confident DAVE could be improved with a better power supply as he had built outboard PSUs for a Berkeley DAC and TotalDAC and those customers were apparently quite pleased. But because Paul said he was busy and given his history of delays, as I was eager to make sure this PSU was ready in time for Rob's visit in early March, I reached out to Sean Jacobs. It was a pleasure interacting with Sean and I had the further privilege of picking up this PSU personally from Sean at his home in West Yorkshire, a 2 hour and 20 minute train ride form London. The above is a photo of Sean preparing to explant the stock SMPS from my DAVE. This photo was taken on January 29, 2018, just weeks before Rob's visit to my home. To add to the drama, to our knowledge, no one had ever attempted to design a custom PSU for DAVE before and so other than Rob's recommended specifications (minimum of 2A per rail), there was no precedent. Until I brought my DAVE to Sean that day, he had never actually personally seen a DAVE before and so he designed this PSU based on photos he had seen on the internet. DAVE has 3 rails and so it remains a mystery to me how he knew which leads on the Molex connector fed which rail. What's worse is when I got to Sean's house, while the "surgery" proved to be quite easy, because this PSU was designed for 120V AC and because the U.K. operates at 230V AC, we had no way to test it but Sean was pretty confident that it "should" work. Fortunately, it did work. The time and effort it took to pick this up personally from Sean, the expense, and the voiding of my DAVE's warranty -- it was worth it. First of all, it was a pleasure to interact with Sean. While in West Yorkshire, we had lunch at a local pub that was at least 500 years old. Not unusual for for people in the U.K. or people from many other countries, I suppose, but as an American, it was novel and I loved it. During that conversation, I realized Sean wasn't just a PhD-level robotics engineer, an avid mountain climber, and skilled PSU designer and builder, he was also a genuinely nice human being. As for the resultant SQ improvement from this DC3 for DAVE, it was splendid, better than I hoped for, and Rob was able to hear it for himself during his visit. The DC3 for DAVE had been the standard I had been living with until August 3, 2020, when Sean designed and built another "first" for my DAVE, this time, a battery-operated DC4. I was aware of the standard DC4 but as I already had an SR7 for DAVE on order with Paul Hynes, my desire was for a PSU that would allow me to travel with DAVE to a mountain cabin that we frequently stay at that has no reliable electricity. At the same time, I was intrigued with the concept of a DAVE powered by low-impedance batteries and what that might sound like. Here is a photo of the battery-powered DC4 versus the larger DC3 chassis: Fortuitously, this lightweight and compact PSU which contained Sean's cascaded DC4 regulators had battery inputs that allowed me to connect 3 separate batteries to power each of DAVE's 3 rails. This allowed me to feed DAVE's digital (5V) rail with any DC source between 14-18V and DAVE's analog (+/-15V) rails with any DC source between 24-30V. This new platform allowed for lots of experimentation and it especially caught @ray-dude's interest. Because batteries are known to be "high-impedance" DC sources compared to AC/DC rectification, @Nenon was initially skeptical that a battery-powered DC4 could sound as good as a standard AC-powered DC4 but as Ray came up with the brilliant idea of combining highly volatile and combustible lithium batteries in parallel to achieve peak instantaneous discharge capabilities of up to 1000A, @Nenon had to eventually concede that this type of battery array could outperform a standard DC4 and so he jumped in. With @austinpop safely monitoring our progress from his fire-safe home in Austin, here is what we learned: 1. Low output impedance is just as important as low noise with respect to SQ when designing a PSU and is more difficult to achieve. If low noise is all that mattered, then why not just use batteries for everything? Try battery powering a DAVE with any ol' cheap battery that you can buy from Amazon such as a PowerAdd that are designed for recharging cell phones and what you'll get are soft, slow, and smeared transients, a flat sound stage, and weak dynamic contrasts. As you start to lower the output impedance from the power source, music starts to take form and comes to life. It just becomes more 3D and palpable and low output impedance is what differentiates a DC4, SR7, Farad, or LPS-1.2 from the rest. It's amazing how few ultra-low output impedance PSUs there are that are being sold for audio. Chances are that if the manufacturer fails to mention "output impedance" or better yet, fails to state the output impedance of their PSU in their ad, that PSU is probably not a low output impedance PSU. Despite the long wait times for PSUs from Sean Jacobs and Paul Hynes, there's a reason people have queued up for these devices. With respect to our battery experiments, while we had no way to directly measure the impedance of a battery, we could approximate it with an internal resistance meter like this AideTek that you can purchase on Amazon and so this device was especially useful for making relative comparisons: If you connect battery cells in series, voltage output goes up but if you connect them in parallel, peak current discharge capability of that array of batteries goes up while the internal resistance of the array as a whole goes down and so we used the peak discharge capability of a battery array as a surrogate for output impedance. The problem with this from a practical standpoint is the number of batteries that you would need to combine in parallel becomes quite large. Here is an array that @ray-dude put together. Imagine having something like this by your DAVE in your listening room: This led @Nenon to design capacitor arrays since adding energy storage capacitance in parallel to the batteries effectively drops output impedance. @Nenon and @ray-dude experimented with capacitors of various sizes and configurations: We even contemplated these giant paint-can sized caps that were expressly designed by Mundorf for Emile at Taiko Audio: What was initially an experiment about batteries soon became more about capacitors. With capacitors, it was now possible to achieve output impedances of <1 milliohm. With the aid of these capacitors and at this ultra low level of output impedance, the standard DC4 which @Nenon was kind enough to make available to us for direct A/B comparisons was now soundly being outperformed by batteries. 2. Low output impedance is important for analog but our testing with DAVE suggests low output impedance is more important for digital. I think there are many smart engineers, designers, and manufacturers out there that do not believe output impedance matters for digital because it shows in their designs. These people believe with digital, it's purely about low noise. For example, with my Oppo UDP-205, it's interesting to note that in stock form, this device has a transformer-based PSU with low ESR caps for the analog side and a basic SMPS for the digital side. When I opened up a dCS Network Bridge, I noticed the miniscule transformer inside. As I opened up an Innuos Zenith SE Mk2 music server, the 400VA transformer used by Sean Jacobs was much more massive in comparison despite the fact that the Innuos Zenith uses a low power Pentium CPU and has no high power requirement. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Innuos sounded much more dynamic than the dCS Network Bridge in my A/B testing: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/review-comparison-of-5-high-end-digital-music-servers-aurender-n10-cad-cat-server-totaldac-d1-server-auralic-aries-audiophile-vortex-box.787020/page-69#post-13801299 With respect to our experiments with DAVE, applying a lower output impedance power source to the analog rails made a notable difference with respect to dynamics but that difference was much more profound on DAVE's digital rail. If all we did was apply ultra low output impedance power to DAVE's digital rail, it would be already be a significant win. 3. Batteries are ultimately NOT what is best for digital. Yes, digital is more susceptible to HF noise and digital also gives off more HF noise and so to isolate it from your other components by powering it with batteries makes sense in theory but in practice, it does not necessarily sound better. Even using a large array of batteries in parallel with approximately 5 milliohms of impedance, while these batteries can discharge quickly, they do not seem to have the agility that transformer-based power sources are capable of. Since my DC4 has the ability to connect to any DC source, battery or otherwise, I was able to compare various batteries against an SR4T from Paul Hynes. According to Paul the SR4 has an output impedance of <3 milliohms from DC to 100kHz but when you combine the impedance of the DC cable and the barrel connector (which are horribly high impedance), then the output impedance of both sources are roughly the same and while the batteries and the SR4T achieve roughly the same dynamic contrasts (which is to say both are excellent), the batteries in comparison sound slow, soft, and smeared around the edges. The tiny SR4T does far better as an energizing source for DAVE's digital rail than a giant LiFePO4 battery. 4. The ARC6 DC4 - A new king is crowned. The ARC6 that @austinpop had in his possession made it to me on Thursday and I have been able to directly compare it against the latest hybrid DC4 that I currently have (which was also built by @Nenon) which uses an SR4T + cap array to power DAVE's digital rail and 2 giant LiFePO4 batteries + cap array to power DAVE's 2 analog rails. While I preferred the SR4T over batteries on DAVE's digital rail, I had no high-quality transformer-based supply that could output 24-30V for DAVE's analog rails and so I was forced to use batteries there but I found the characteristic "slower" nature of batteries on the analog rails to be to its advantage as the resultant sound was immersive, liquid, non-fatiguing, and pleasingly musical. I thought the character of the batteries worked really well on the analog rails and so I was very interested to know just how the ARC6 would compare. The ARC6 manifests the best of everything we learned through our months of experimentation. It utilizes Sean's cascaded regulation which is in both the ARC6 but also my unit. It incorporates 594,000 uF of Mundorf capacitors for DAVE's 3 rails but my unit has this, too. The ARC6 uses @Nenon's preferred Mundorf Silver/Gold DC wiring. Having done careful A/B comparisons against this more expensive Mundorf wire and Sean's less expensive Neotech OCC copper option (which is what comes stock), I have found myself preferring the Mundorf wire and so the unit I have has the same wire. The only difference is the ARC6 uses @Nenon's and Sean's best transformer-based answer to a giant battery as an energizing source for the capacitor arrays. With the giant capacitor array, did the energizing source (transformer vs battery) matter that much and if so, which was better? Because I'm capable of assessing the digital and analog rails separately, that's what I did. On the digital rail, I already knew a transformer is better than a battery and so no surprise, that's what I found. What wasn't clear was how much better, if at all, the ARC6 was compared to the SR4T and the answer is it's unquestionably better, A LOT BETTER. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised since the ARC6 is utilizing a giant 600VA transformer with a newly improved recap board along with a giant choke that much more effectively filters rectification noise without stunting dynamics like the older recap board did with the original DC4. With the SR4T, I'm connecting this energizing device to the DC4 chassis via a DC cable terminated with a high-impedance 2.5mm x 5.5mm barrel connector. With the ARC6, current paths are much shorter and devoid of high impedance connectors. Comparing ARC6 vs DC4, both result in excellent dynamic contrasts in large part due to the capacitor array but the ARC6 is just incredibly good with respect to noise floor and clarity. The "blackness" of the ARC6 over the SR4T in this instance is just eerily striking. There's just tons of space. Even when I compared the ARC6 to a giant LiFePO4 battery, most people would assume the battery would be quieter but in this case, it is not. Batteries create their own noise and the ARC6 is good proof that a properly designed and implemented transformer-based, AC-to-DC rectified circuit can sound cleaner. Regarding ARC6 vs batteries on DAVE's analog rails, this is where things got interesting for me. It turns out the ARC6 is sensitive to power cords and more specifically, it is sensitive to bad power cords. Quite randomly, I picked out the first spare power cord from my cabinet that I could find and it happened to be the stock Transparent 12awg power cord that came with my D'Agostino HD preamp that I never previously used and so as far as I know, this power cord had virtually zero hours on it. For those that have experience with Transparent cabling, their house sound is "fullness" but what I first heard with the ARC6 on the analog rails compared against the batteries was a "leanness" that sounded anything but musical. At some point, a brightness developed and that is when I realized this changing sound was possibly due to a power cord that wasn't broken in. After a swap of power cords, it was a relief to find that a different power cord made all the difference. With an inexpensive TG SLVR power cord I've had for years, it became clear that the ARC6 is a full-bodied and rich sounding PSU and even more emotive and satisfying than the batteries. There was tremendous dynamics with a giant expansive sound stage that was bigger than the batteries and with a blackness that was just as eerily good here as it was on the digital rail. From bass to treble, definition was better on the ARC6. Micro details were much more easily gleaned with amazing clarity. There was also the most incredibly natural sounding decay I've heard from my DAVE with the ARC6 that lingers in the air longer and gradually disappears. With the batteries, it lingers then then more abruptly cuts off. Yes, the batteries still have their appeal but the overall appeal of the qualities of the ARC6 is greater. If you own a DAVE with it's stock PSU, it's hard to accurately convey just how big a step change the ARC6 brings. It really is transformational and all credit goes to @Nenon and Sean Jacobs. At the very least, imo, you owe it to yourself to get a DC3 because swapping out DAVE's PSU is among the highest value things you can do to your DAVE and it's easy to do. I'm sure when Paul Hynes' SR7 for DAVE finally comes out, it will transform your DAVE if you are in line for one. But with regards to the ARC6, coming from a baseline of a DC3 and then DC4, which are both excellent in their own rights, it's amazing how the ARC6 is just ridiculously better.
  12. In my case, this has nothing to do with hearing things that the artist/producer didn't hear. Some performances / recordings / masterings are just so bad that they do not sound good in a transparent and resolving system by today's standards. You actually want a veil to make then listenable. Growing up in the 80s, I enjoyed bands like Duran Duran, The Cure, The English Beat, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, China Crisis, etc. Yes, the 2nd British invasion. I saw these bands live on many occasions and I enjoy listening to them even today but only in my car. Back then, for many of us, our audio systems were slow, not as resolving, treble was rolled off, etc. Perhaps those albums were mixed for systems like that. If I play that type of music in my system now, they sound thin and strident. Certainly, all of my system building efforts are not for music like that. What's interesting is that with my main system at home, the large majority of what I listen to (at least 75%) is unamplified acoustical music (chamber, choral, symphonic). Among my favorite instruments is the organ. These are the live concerts I most enjoy attending today and what I endeavor to recreate to scale in my main listening room. This type of music does not not translate nearly as well in my car, in the shower, or on my Sonos system in the kitchen. I don't even bother because I find very little engagement and so when I'm not listening in my main system, I listen to almost everything else. This means that over the course of a day, since I'm often listening to music in the car and at work, the music I most enjoy listening to is the music I intentionally listen to the least. It's quite the irony.
  13. I have some music that I enjoy that is better left as mp3s and listened to on my car's audio system. Sometimes, transparency can be a bad thing, lol.
  14. I never specified sample rates. This prototype server is making the rounds to different systems and not all servers, players, and DACs being tested are capable of 16fs.
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