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[charlesphoto]

14 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

I don't think most Schiit customers care about most measurements. They listen, they like, they purchase. 

Considering Schiit doesn't have a dealer network, it's more like they purchase, listen and like. Same with Sonore, Uptone, and many others who have eschewed the traditional dealer showroom model. If there wasn't something to what they sell, measurements or no measurements (usually not) then they wouldn't last long what with the critical role of the internet. 

 

I would applaud Sonore who will not comment on the sound quality on their own products - too much of a mine field these days to do that (esp since ASR's crusade against them and Uptone) so one has to just experience for themselves by purchasing or shut up and look elsewhere. 

[PeterSt]

26 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

I don't think most Schiit customers care about most measurements. They listen, they like, they purchase. 

 

Exactly.

And the proof of that is in this very forum. I mean, everybody now suddenly goes easy on Shiit Shit or not, but look what happened with these measurements and how appreciated they were (hint: not at all).

So bye AmirM especially since you don't know what you're doing (this is quite crucial in my book). Pestering manufacturers the wrong way. The orgasmic way. Not good.

 

[Samuel T Cogley]

Seriously, what was/is Chris thinking letting a thread about another audio forum persist and degenerate into this dung slinging festival?

 

No good has come of this thread, and never will.

[The Computer Audiophile]

32 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

Seriously, what was/is Chris thinking letting a thread about another audio forum persist and degenerate into this dung slinging festival?

 

No good has come of this thread, and never will.

I try to let adults have discussions and frequently error on the side of non-moderation. Over moderating is the easy way. Finding balance is hard.

[Superdad]

1 hour ago, charlesphoto said:

...,Chris C is on the make,...

Uh, best not let his wife know that...

[semente]

4 hours ago, asdf1000 said:

I enjoy discussing various topics with people here too.

It reads more like a patronising lecture and your tone denotes that you’re not exactly having fun... 

[DuckToller]

4 hours ago, asdf1000 said:

Thanks for chiming in though.

That's quite sweet and you're welcome.

As your response avoided tackling the most important question, I revive it again using your preferred method of copy/paste:

 

[pkane2001]

2 minutes ago, DuckToller said:

That's quite sweet and you're welcome.

As your response avoided tackling the most important question, I revive it again using your preferred method of copy/paste:

 

 

You forgot to bold the important part, I can't figure out what it is without the bolding ;)

 

Don't know if you, Chris, and even @Jud(!) among others, realize that you are all trolling @asdf1000 after he explicitly and repeatedly asked that his thread be closed. He even quoted himself saying this, multiple times, in bold :) and addressed it to the moderator/owner. His original post had nothing to do with the discussion that ensued, and the back and forth has gotten progressively less constructive to the point of just being silly and immature. 

@The Computer Audiophile, a point of clarification: do the OPs still have moderator privileges on the threads they start? Or can anyone just make up the rules as they go, as long as they hate ASR? Serious question.

[The Computer Audiophile]

10 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

You forgot to bold the important part, I can't figure out what it is without the bolding ;)

 

Don't know if you, Chris, and even @Jud(!) among others, realize that you are all trolling @asdf1000 after he explicitly and repeatedly asked that his thread be closed. He even quoted himself saying this, multiple times, in bold :) and addressed it to the moderator/owner. His original post had nothing to do with the discussion that ensued, and the back and forth has gotten progressively less constructive to the point of just being silly and immature. 

@The Computer Audiophile, a point of clarification: do the OPs still have moderator privileges on the threads they start? Or can anyone just make up the rules as they go, as long as they hate ASR? Serious question.

I don’t take your question seriously because it’s more of a statement than a serious question, even though you use the word serious. 
 

If an OP is reasonable, I’ve never not given him/her moderation rights to a thread. Based on the hidden agenda here, I don’t think it’s reasonable. 

[DuckToller]

2 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

You forgot to bold the important part, I can't figure out what it is without the bolding ;)

Yeah, you're perhaps right, that's why he may have overlooked it first time. 🙂

 

For the other part, did you suggest he was forced to his postings being trolled by the others? 

Again, for non native speaker he had the air of enjoying the OP's right of having the last word. Obviously, I could have read that incorrectly.

[pkane2001]

2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I don’t take your question seriously because it’s more of a statement than a serious question, even though you use the word serious. 
 

If an OP is reasonable, I’ve never not given him/her moderation rights to a thread. Based on the hidden agenda here, I don’t think it’s reasonable. 

 

No, it was a serious question. I perceive hidden agendas in posts by others, not just by @asdf1000. I don't see any hidden agenda in his original post, but maybe I'm blind. My impression was that he didn't like where the discussion was headed and wanted to stop many pages ago, but you and the others continued on, despite OPs wish. The discussion seems to now have devolved into everyone piling on in accusing the other of hidden agendas, and yet you still have not closed the thread. What possible benefit do you expect will come from it? 

[pkane2001]

15 minutes ago, DuckToller said:

Yeah, you're perhaps right, that's why he may have overlooked it first time. 🙂

 

For the other part, did you suggest he was forced to his postings being trolled by the others? 

Again, for non native speaker he had the air of enjoying the OP's right of having the last word. Obviously, I could have read that incorrectly.

 

Maybe you're right. But I judge people by their actions, and not by what I think might be their hidden motives. OP asked this thread to be closed multiple times, but each time was ignored with more people coming in and piling on. I assume he really wanted it closed. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

What possible benefit do you expect will come from it? 

I honestly haven’t thought about it much. I see posts, I pop in and leave my opinion, then go back to my day, getting work done on other parts of the site. 

[KeenObserver]

I see people starting threads with the intent of having an intelligent, thought provoking discussion. The "if a tree falls in the forest" type discussion.

I see other people starting threads with the intent of simply provoking. The "do you still beat your wife" type discussion.

 

The latter often goes awry.

[fas42]

8 hours ago, pkane2001 said:

 

... . Then, by checking if you're really hearing the difference or imagining it.

 

And how do you suggest that be done?

[pkane2001]

Just now, fas42 said:

And how do you suggest that be done?

Why, use your ears, of course!

[Rt66indierock]

25 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

Maybe you're right. But I judge people by their actions, and not by what I think might be their hidden motives. OP asked this thread to be closed multiple times, but each time was ignored with more people coming in and piling on. I assume he really wanted it closed. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

 

Based on his posts in the Vaporware thread the OP here can dish it out but can't take it. I've ignored this poster for the most part.

[fas42]

Just now, pkane2001 said:

Why, use your ears, of course!

 

I suspect we're going to go nowhere ... but, let's try: "something sounds fantastic or terrible" - how do we confirm, with our ears, which it is?

[pkane2001]

1 minute ago, fas42 said:

 

I suspect we're going to go nowhere ... but, let's try: "something sounds fantastic or terrible" - how do we confirm, with our ears, which it is?

Wait, you don’t know yet??? ;) You listen with your ears. No peeking.

[fas42]

3 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

Wait, you don’t know yet??? ;) You listen with your ears. No peeking.

 

Peeking at what? ... We have a single version of some product we are evaluating ...

[pkane2001]

9 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Peeking at what? ... We have a single version of some product we are evaluating ...

I assume when writing a review you’d be comparing it to something else that others might be familiar with, otherwise your review is not very helpful to anyone else.

[pkane2001]

26 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

Based on his posts in the Vaporware thread the OP here can dish it out but can't take it. I've ignored this poster for the most part.

Haven’t been following the MQA thread, I guess I missed it.

[fas42]

Just now, pkane2001 said:

I assume when writing a review you’d be comparing it to something else that others might be familiar with, otherwise your review is not very helpful to anyone else.

 

Does one have to compare an item with another item, for your opinion about how it performs to have meaning? If I read a motoring magazine, does the writer have to keep referring to another brand of a similar style of vehicle, for his comments and impressions to have meaning for me?

[asdf1000]

1 hour ago, DuckToller said:

Again, for non native speaker he had the air of enjoying the OP's right of having the last word. Obviously, I could have read that incorrectly.

 

Couldn't be more factually incorrect.

 

I put in writing to PC Audiophile that he could have the last word. Please read.

 

Then try again to paint a fake motives picture.

 

Just like PC Audiophile, conveniently ignoring facts.

 

He clearly thought everything after this on page 7 was beneficial, despite even more requests from me to shut it down.

 

 

[pkane2001]

5 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Does one have to compare an item with another item, for your opinion about how it performs to have meaning? If I read a motoring magazine, does the writer have to keep referring to another brand of a similar style of vehicle, for his comments and impressions to have meaning for me?

Yes? There has to be a point of reference, Frank, for others to know what you’re describing. You know, like when you compare things to the sound of your laptop speakers? This helps everyone know exactly what you may or may not be hearing ;)