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2 hours ago, GUTB said:

 

The Gryphon Diablo, very likely one of the best integrated amps on the planet:

 

Channel Separation: 120 dbl
Bandwidth (-3 dB): 0.1 Hz to 250 kHz
Power Supply Capacity: 2 x 60,000 µF

 

Now the Mephisto Stereo:

 

Channel Separation: INFINITE
Bandwidth (-3 dB): 0.1 Hz to 400 kHz
Power Supply Capacity: 2 x 250,000 µF

 

Since we're checking out high-end gear...

 

Boulder 865 (Integrated):

 

Channel Separation: 112 dbl
Bandwidth (-3 dB): 0.015 Hz to 95 kHz
 

Boulder 860 (Stereo):

 

Channel Separation: 112 dbl
Bandwidth (-3 dB): 0.015 Hz to 150 kHz

 

(It should be noted that Boulder doesn't offer an integrated anywhere except in their bottom tier).

 

You do realize that none of these specs you quoted mean anything whatsoever?!! The difference between 112 and 120 dB of channel separation is meaningless. Bandwidth beyond 50 KHz is meaningless. And power supply capacity  as a stand-alone specification is also less than meaningless.

 

What are you trying to say with these specifications? 


George

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oh c'mon - big numbers are impressive


"The overwhelming majority [of audiophiles] have very little knowledge, if any, about the most basic principles and operating characteristics of audio equipment. They often base their purchasing decisions on hearsay, and the preaching of media sages. Unfortunately, because of commercial considerations, much information is rooted in increasing revenue, not in assisting the audiophile. It seems as if the only requirements for becoming an "authority" in the world of audio is a keyboard."

-- Bruce Rozenblit of Transcendent Sound

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22 hours ago, GUTB said:

 

So do smartphones and TVs.

 

Please think more carefully about your comebacks. 

Yes and look how they have developed and improved over the years whilst you are still discussing how to destroy the looms with Ned and Enoch...

Things move on, a lot of audiophillia has not, you are a prime example, you just quote from the audiophiles handbook of beliefs and dismiss everyone as inferior audiophiles because they do not have $50,000 systems...

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17 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

The real problems with all-in-ones are as follows:

 

1. a little extra design may be needed to reduce noise

2. speaker cables may be long vs. sticking mono-blocks close to the speakers

3. um...

 

ah...

 

oh yeh!  I got one more

 

3. if you upgrade you might have to upgrade the whole thing

 

 

The real problem with separates are as follows:

1. a lot of extra design to reduce noise due to small signal cable runs between the boxes.

2. Low level cables may be long due to someone placing their mono-blocks next to the speakers.

3. Um

Ah,

Back pain lugging all those boxes about.

:D

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18 hours ago, GUTB said:

Quick research into the topic shows the opposite.

What he really meant: I spent 2 minutes with Google and found a few web pages that agree with my idea.


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1 hour ago, firedog said:

What he really meant: I spent 2 minutes with Google and found a few web pages that agree with my idea.

 

It’s just common knowledge. Check any audiophile forum, and that is the large consensus. I didn’t make it up. Also, it’s a simple fact that high-end manufacturers treat integrated systems as a part of their value tier, not competitive with their finest. That’s the reality of the integrated.

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7 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

Also, it’s a simple fact that high-end manufacturers treat integrated systems as a part of their value tier, not competitive with their finest. 

Right.  I'm sure this $38K Jeff Rowland Daemon integrated is from their value tier.

http://jeffrowlandgroup.com/us/daemon-integrated.html


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i7-6700K/Windows 10 Version 1903/HDPLEX 200W/HDPLEX 400W DC-ATX --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's 

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22 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

It’s just common knowledge. Check any audiophile forum, and that is the large consensus. I didn’t make it up.

 

What a load of guff. This is an audiophile forum and there is no consensus here. 


“All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone listening to music.”

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Just now, kumakuma said:

 

What a load of guff. This is an audiophile forum and there is no consensus here. 

 

Not many audiophiles post in General....

 

Actually this thread is way off topic from AiO (integrated with digital inputs / streaming). That is different product category than traditional integrateds.

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1 minute ago, GUTB said:

 

Not many audiophiles post in General....

 

Actually this thread is way off topic from AiO (integrated with digital inputs / streaming). That is different product category than traditional integrateds.

 

No idea what you are trying to say here...


“All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone listening to music.”

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Hi,

I have a Cambridge Audio Azur 650A, and previous to that, an Audiolab 8000A from 1991. Both are/were good amplifiers, and perform more than adequately at the sound levels permissible in my current abode (neighbours). When the neighbours are away, then high volume levels are still ok.

Regards,

Shadders.

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8 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

Although I’m sure @beerandmusic is just happy that his thread is active, traditional integrateds are off-topic.

 

Ironic considering that the OP made it clear in the first post that your participation in this thread was unwelcome.


“All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone listening to music.”

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2 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Ironic considering that the OP made it clear in the first post that your participation in this thread was unwelcome.

 

Actually, by naming me he specifically expected me to participate.

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1 hour ago, GUTB said:

 

It’s just common knowledge. Check any audiophile forum, and that is the large consensus. I didn’t make it up. Also, it’s a simple fact that high-end manufacturers treat integrated systems as a part of their value tier, not competitive with their finest. That’s the reality of the integrated.

 

Repeating the same wrong information over and over and over again will not make it true. It is not common knowledge. There is simply  no technical reason for an Integrated to be inferior to separates and your incantations to the contrary will not change that simple fact. 


George

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54 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

Not many audiophiles post in General....

 

Actually this thread is way off topic from AiO (integrated with digital inputs / streaming). That is different product category than traditional integrateds.

 

Everybody who posts here in "General" is an audiophile. Everyone who posts on CA is, by definition an audiophile EVEN YOU!

 

I see that when it becomes clear to you that you are soundly losing this argument, it's time to remind your opponents that the thread has wandered off-topic. Well, thank you for the heads-up! :)


George

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57 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

No idea what you are trying to say here...

 

He's trying to say that the people who post on the General Forum of CA aren't really audiophiles (funny, I see the same handles in the other forums as I see here). IOW, he's trying to insult those of us here who don't buy his elitist bullshit by intimating that we aren't really audiophiles because we post in this "General" forum. Obviously, the Irony is lost on GUTB that he posts in "General" too!


George

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Just now, gmgraves said:

 

He's trying to say that the people who post on the General Forum of CA aren't really audiophiles (funny, I see the same handles in the other forums as I see here). IOW, he's trying to insult those of us here who don't buy his elitist bullshit by intimating that we aren't really audiophiles because we post in this "General" forum. Obviously, the Irony is lost on GUTB that he posts in "General" too!

 

It isn't even original. It's something he stole from Sandy Alex.

 

For course, it makes no sense when you consider that "General" is simply a catchall category where people start threads that don't fit neatly anywhere else.


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What about Respectable Receivers?

 

they contain an RF section for the tuner module, so should be harder to isolate from noise...


"The overwhelming majority [of audiophiles] have very little knowledge, if any, about the most basic principles and operating characteristics of audio equipment. They often base their purchasing decisions on hearsay, and the preaching of media sages. Unfortunately, because of commercial considerations, much information is rooted in increasing revenue, not in assisting the audiophile. It seems as if the only requirements for becoming an "authority" in the world of audio is a keyboard."

-- Bruce Rozenblit of Transcendent Sound

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20 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

The Gryphon Diablo sux - it's full of noise and has too much stuff crammed into the chassis space.

When I heard the Diablo it sounded good to me. 


- Mark

 

Synology DS916+ > SoTM dCBL-CAT7 > Netgear switch > SoTM dCBL-CAT7 > dCS Vivaldi Upsampler (Nordost Valhalla 2 power cord) > Nordost Valhalla 2 Dual 110 Ohm AES/EBU > dCS Vivaldi DAC (David Elrod Statement Gold power cord) > Nordost Valhalla 2 xlr > Absolare Passion preamp (Nordost Valhalla 2 power cord) > Nordost Valhalla 2 xlr > VTL MB-450 III (Shunyata King Cobra CX power cords) > Nordost Valhalla 2 speaker > Kaiser Kaewero Classic /JL Audio F110 (Wireworld Platinum power cord).

 

Power Conditioning: Entreq Olympus Tellus grounding (AC, preamp and dac) / Shunyata Hydra Triton + Typhoon (Shunyata Anaconda ZiTron umbilical/Shunyata King Cobra CX power cord) > Furutec GTX D-Rhodium AC outlet.

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On 12/30/2017 at 10:22 AM, beerandmusic said:

This thread is for those that believe a respectable integrated exists or can exist.

 

It does not matter to OP, if monos are better, same or worse. 

Let's get back on topic, please. 

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