NVMe SSD designed for audiophiles

[damian101]

3 hours ago, MarcelNL said:

Did you ever listen to the impact of what drive you' re using, or listen to a RAM buffer, or the differences between acrappy PSU and a really well designed PSU feeding te digital chain? Or add a stretch of fiberoptics in the network of which you stream? Tinker with latency settings in your OS? 

The theory that 0s and 1s are just that and nothing matters is something that keeps the engineers happy, ears tell a different tale. 

Find a good pair of speakers capable of great resolution and a decent amp without too many frills and try, you'll be amazed how many things have an effect on how the 0s and 1s flowing into your DAC and what differences come out of it.

No, just no. It is absolutely impossible for any of those things to make any difference to the DAC output, aside from latency, which does not matter for music listening unless you want a more responsive play/pause button. Pure placebo. 

[Patatorz]

Seems you are on the wrong post. You can try here : 

 

[MarcelNL]

+1 on the ignore list, I get too tired of beating dead horses about this.

[davide256]

17 hours ago, damian101 said:

It does not matter at all how dirty the power coming to the SSD is, as long as it is within specs, so the SSD can work reliably. Choice of drive has generally no impact on sound, as long as it can deliver audio before the decoding buffer runs empty, and does not alter the files (drive failures, dead sectors, bit flips).
The entire digital audio chain up to the DAC is completely deterministic, as it should be; the hardware used does not matter, as long as it works reliably. This drive will make zero difference to the raw digital audio sent to your DAC, bit-identical.

Now, what about the analog audio signal created by the DAC, can that be influenced by choice of SSD? If DAC and SSD share the same power source, theoretically yes. If not, no. Also, dirty power can be cleaned, that's what those big capacitors on expensive amps and sound cards are for.

And direct acoustic noise? I have never heard the noise of an SSD, but that might be because I haven't yet put my ears inches away from a working SSD. The vast majority of SSDs are probably quieter than other parts of your computer, and probably below the noise floor of your room and your own ears anyway, at a normal distance. 

My conclusion: Unless your previous drive was particularly noisy, any perceived auditory differences between this SSD and your previous drive are completely imaginary. That is especially true for switching between MB power and dedicated power supply for this SSD, which, in case of using a dedicated DAC with dedicated power supply, can not even make a difference in theory.
You and many others in this thread have fallen victim to the placebo effect.

Its been the same since the 70's... arm chair generals quoting pundits from the mass market manufacturers, never stirring from their chair to actually observe or testing solely

with instruments vs evaluation with actual listening. The difference between a consumer and an audiophile is that we test the limits vs trust pundits. People listen to music,

not machines.

[damian101]

9 minutes ago, davide256 said:

Its been the same since the 70's... arm chair generals quoting pundits from the mass market manufacturers, never stirring from their chair to actually observe or testing solely

with instruments vs evaluation with actual listening. The difference between a consumer and an audiophile is that we test the limits vs trust pundits. People listen to music,

not machines.

I don't think any of the people here making these hard-to-believe claims have conducted proper double-blind tests, that would be the only way to give those claims some validity.
When noone can properly explain an effect, there should better be some good evidence that it exists at all, before you believe in it.

[Patatorz]

This is Groundhog Day 😀 Stop feeding the troll.

[Smaragdhk]

7 minutes ago, Patatorz said:

This is Groundhog Day 😀 Stop feeding the troll.

Trolls will be trolls … I’m enjoying my music no matter what ☺️

[Patatorz]

Any news concerning the heatsink ?

[darkforce]

7 hours ago, Patatorz said:

Any news concerning the heatsink ?

 

I'm sorry there is still no production schedule, we can't find a factory that is willing to produce such a complex shape in small quantities.

[oneguy]

What kind of quantities did they want to produce? Maybe a group buy or pre-order until a sufficient quantity is reached?

[darkforce]

Current audiophile NVMe users or potential buyers alone won't be enough, but we haven't given up on our heatsink production plans, which we're still discussing with the factory recently.

[MarcelNL]

Do you plan to use copper? (I hope so as it works magically when compared to aluminium somehow)

 

Looking at the NVME; something like this may serve ad interim?

https://www.amazon.nl/Alphacool-17427-Copper-Heatsinks-14x14mm/dp/B077VM8FJW/ref=asc_df_B077VM8FJW/?tag=nlshogostdde-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=454710028251&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14170650322459426872&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9064720&hvtargid=pla-527969856407&psc=1

[darkforce]

Our initial design was solid aluminum with copper plating.

 

Those existing small heat sinks can be used as long as they are the right size.

 

 

[darkforce]

Due to the lack of components, we have been out of stock since the end of last year. Now a new batch of products is in production and will be completed soon, we are also starting to provide a 1TB version. If you are willing to pre-order, please send a private message.

[Carlosoptico]

Recibí mi segundo M.2 NVME Femto SSD, donde puse el sistema operativo. y en el primer carril PCIe, directamente a la CPU, reemplazando un SSD de temperatura extendida SLC de 64 GB de Apacer con cables SATA y DATA de calidad. Tras deshabilitar la controladora SATA en BIOS y alimentado por una Plixir Elite en ambos casos y con pocas horas de uso, la diferencia es muy grande. Muy contento con la compra porque es un gran avance en la búsqueda del mejor servidor informático. carlos

[Smaragdhk]

@Carlosoptico, you should really try to power those Revelation Audio Femto SSD with a linear power supply… instead of the motherboard… you will be surprised at the difference, it really takes the sound to the next level…

[Carlosoptico]

Hello .  I am powering the Asus P10S WS with the 24 pin and CPU cables from a JCAT Optimo S ATX.  The M.2 Femto SSD with the OS.  Windows 10 E. LTSC 2019 is externally powered with a Plixir Elite BDC 5v.  4 Amps.  The JCAT XE cards and the M.2 Femto SSD with the Music Library are externally powered by Óptimo 3 Duo.  RAM is Apacer ECC, Extended Temperature Range.  AC cables are Oyaide with Furutech FI-50 NCF R connectors.  I have evolved this server for three years.  Started with Intel M.2 760p SSD in motherboard M.2 slots, from there to Apacer 64 SLC SSD with JCAT SATA Reference cable and Hilo Neotech based DC cable, first powered by HDPlex 200 + HDPLEX 400 DC /ATX to which I then add JCAT Óptimo 3 Duo and then JCAT Óptimo S ATX .  The server connects to two Devialet Expert configured as Devialet 400 with 100% Audio Physics Cardeas Plus SAM program.  Kimber Select 3033 speaker cables and A.F.  Cardeas Plus in a dedicated room and Jplay and Fidelizer Pro software. Carlos

[Carlosoptico]

3 hours ago, Smaragdhk said:

@Carlosoptico, realmente debería intentar alimentar esos Revelation Audio Femto SSD con una fuente de alimentación lineal... en lugar de la placa base... se sorprenderá de la diferencia, realmente lleva el sonido al siguiente nivel...

Hello, you can follow my experiences in the following linkhttp://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/2859-hdplex-h5-asus-p10s-ws-intel-xeon-e3-1235l-v5/

[jabbr]

On 4/6/2022 at 3:34 PM, MarcelNL said:

Do you plan to use copper? (I hope so as it works magically when compared to aluminium somehow)

 

 

This technology NVME-oF uses glass! It is insane.

 

https://www.snia.org/geekout/nvme-of

[AudioDoctor]

On 6/5/2022 at 3:29 PM, jabbr said:

 

This technology NVME-oF uses glass! It is insane.

 

https://www.snia.org/geekout/nvme-of

 

 

I do not understand that at all.

[MarcelNL]

I thought it was me, rereading info, viewing the infomercials...

[jabbr]

20 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

 

I do not understand that at all.

The new technology for high performance NVME NAS has the CPU talk directly to the NAS using the NVME protocol ... but over Ethernet.

 

The speed of the new networks approaches the memory bandwidth of the CPU. These networks are often fiberoptic, hence glass. So the NVME drive is mounted, and presents itself over the network.

 

Needless to say, over glass networks, the electrical activity of the NVME drive is entirely isolated from the CPU.

[MarcelNL]

thanks for explaining! I thought I gathered as much but could not cut through the specialistic tech lingo!

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, jabbr said:

The new technology for high performance NVME NAS has the CPU talk directly to the NAS using the NVME protocol ... but over Ethernet.

 

The speed of the new networks approaches the memory bandwidth of the CPU. These networks are often fiberoptic, hence glass. So the NVME drive is mounted, and presents itself over the network.

 

Needless to say, over glass networks, the electrical activity of the NVME drive is entirely isolated from the CPU.

 

Oh, so the only thing that is glass is the fiber optic network connection, not the SSD itself? That makes a lot more sense.

[yamamoto2002]

11 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Oh, so the only thing that is glass is the fiber optic network connection, not the SSD itself? That makes a lot more sense.

 

IIRC I/O port of current gen NVMEoF Ethernet SSD is copper based: a protocol converter on the SSD speaks RDMA UDP protocol over its 25Gbe copper ethernet interconnect and Copper to Optical Media converter is needed to convert it to fibre optic. In the near future, I hope it will be replaced with direct silicon photonics optical protocol converter (for lower power consumption).

 Source: https://www.servethehome.com/marvell-88ss5000-nvmeof-ssd-controller-shown-with-toshiba-bics/

 

In the photo, there are two SFP28 ports. most certainly it is for redundancy like SAS drives