NewOldman Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Now my disk has run about 5-600 hours, and still getting bether and bether, more detail, bether resolution, highly recommended Exocer 1 Link to comment
MarcelNL Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Mine now has only a few hundred hours but it is still improving (like it a LOT), I will report more in depth at a later stage...a week of repeating songs played from the disk while I'm away will help :-) ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Can I ask when can I buy connectors? 90 degree? Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Would this do the job? https://www.mcru.co.uk/product/oyaide-gold-plated-dc-plug-90-degree/ Link to comment
Exocer Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Just now, ASRMichael said: Would this do the job? https://www.mcru.co.uk/product/oyaide-gold-plated-dc-plug-90-degree/ This is exactly what I use. ASRMichael 1 Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Exocer said: This is exactly what I use. Top man! Mind actually fit that into my dimm.2 card now. Maybe! Worth a go! Link to comment
NewOldman Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 MCRU Reviews | Read Customer Service Reviews of www.mcru.co.uk (trustpilot.com) Link to comment
NewOldman Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Japan Oyaide DC-2.1GL (5.5mm x 2.1mm) Right-angle Gold Plated DC Barrel plug | eBay Link to comment
ASRMichael Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 hour ago, NewOldman said: MCRU Reviews | Read Customer Service Reviews of www.mcru.co.uk (trustpilot.com) I’ve been using MCRU for over 10 years. No issues whatsoever. Dave is a very kjnd man & is very helpful. Link to comment
Smaragdhk Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Any suggestions on which LPS that matches the FEMTO drive best? Its recommended power is 5V 2.5A … Link to comment
Exocer Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 3:50 AM, Smaragdhk said: Any suggestions on which LPS that matches the FEMTO drive best? Its recommended power is 5V 2.5A … I've had very good results with this: https://www.mpaudio.net/product-page/als-hpuln-ps I will not be able to tell you if its "best" though as I have not done a comparison. My build is rather simple too: IEC Inlet > Transformer of 150VA > ALS-HPULN > Outputs. The are the usual options discussed here as well: Uptone JS-2 JCAT Optimo or Initio Farad Super3 All of the above options will do a swell job. Cheers, -Rob Marcin_gps 1 Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 3:50 AM, Smaragdhk said: Any suggestions on which LPS that matches the FEMTO drive best? Its recommended power is 5V 2.5A … Alas the PS I had which sounded best with the drive, an LPS 1.2 had too low an amperage to be reliable, DAC synch loss happened annoyingly often. The JS-2 was overkill. I suspect the best match is something like a Superfarad3 LPS @ 5V or if it exists a capacitive power supply like the LPS 1.2 with the requisite 2.5A Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Smaragdhk Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Allow me to post some initial findings after finally being able to install Darkforce’s FEMTO M.2 drive courtesy of his beta trial. Since I’m using a fan-less HDplex case there was not enough clearance to mount the drive directly on the NUC10i7’s motherboard. I received a riser/ extender yesterday allowing to relocate the FEMTO M.2 drive. Reinstalling Euphony was a breeze and in. In no time I was ready to play music again. I’ve decided to run in the drive for a few days powered by the motherboard first (my NUC is already powered by a Keces P8 LPS) before changing the power supply setting and taking the 5V from an additional LPS. The FEMTO M.2 replaces an Optane M.2 which already sounded much better than the Samsung 970 EVO used before. I barely have 24 hours of running time, too little to comment frankly but so far and I already hear a more relaxed analogue like sound with better controlled bass… micro details are still a bit rolled off but my experience is that after 100 hrs this will improve and sound will open up further… very impressed so far and can’t wait to get to 150 or so hours where I will decide if the time is right to power the FEMTO M.2 drive from the external LPS… this should be another major step up… stay tuned. MarcelNL 1 Link to comment
Popular Post NewOldman Posted August 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2021 "LPS… this should be another major step up… stay tuned." A LPS is required for the best sound you will surprised how much its lift the sound MarcelNL, Exocer, Smaragdhk and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Popular Post MarcelNL Posted August 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2021 I returned after being away for 9 days, let's call it a break from breaking in ;-) as the femto drive was busy transferring data all that time. Installing the drive was the breeze you expect with NVME on a current MoBo and once the Oyaide connectors came in the external LPS was attached using some 18AWG UP-OCC in a twisted pair (not yet shielded). The femto drive now has between 500 and 600 hours under its belt, I THINK breaking in is about done but experience tells me breaking in takes forever in the digital domain.... The femto drive does a great job when compared to my current regular NVME SSD (1Tb Samsung Evo plus) which is powered through the MoBo, which in turn sounds better than the previous 1Gb SATA SSD on an external LPSU. ( as a next step; SATA controllers switched off in Bios off brought a tiny improvement too,) Music coming from the femto drive is simply cleaner and more precise, both leading and trailing edges of sound waves seem to be preserved better, it offers more detail... overtones and acoustics have more 'colors' if you know what I mean, low end control is better. My initial overall impression is that music appears louder (in fact I did dial the volume knob a click back, which is 1 dB on the Khozmo shunt I'm using). Music definitely has more weight when coming from the femto drive! The "duck quack" effect I dread so much but which is so common in digital systems (and in many wires using teflon insulation, many horns, etc) is vastly decreased or even non-existent, making long and loud listening to recordings susceptible for this effect possible..., eeerrr, no... the femto drive is making listening to these recordings a joy! For example, my fave Schubert Lieder by Bernarda Fink can sound pretty harsh in the upper mid range, the Evo plus was a nice improvement that in comparison (from memory as the current MoBo does not digest Optane) is almost (?) on par with the 32 Gb Optane NVME stick I had in use for a while. The femto drive takes this to the next level and at the same time opens up the low end of the piano with the full spectrum of overtones and decay. The fabulous recording of Arcadi Volodos playing in Vienna is suddenly showing a startling high level of interfering noise from the audience, but more importantly; what makes him (IMO) such a great pianist is now much more clear, his capability of playing with the overtones of the notes he plays is much more clear listening to the femto drive. The best is; the advantage remains when playing track copied from SSD to RAM, on my system (Daphile) I can opt to convert a FLAC to WAV format and play that from RAM, this somehow lowers the perceived noise flow and makes music sound more organic and detailed. Comparing a track stored to RAM originating from the three options mentioned learned me that I prefer the track played from RAM coming from the femto drive. my final verdict is ; highly recommended! ( to the point that I suspect that whoever does not hear a marked improvement should investigate the rest of the chain) @darkforce IMO this is a great improvement for us Audio PC enthusiasts, I plan to bring my gig to the Berlin Audio Meet IF I can get the case work and passive cooling done before next month. EDIT: I am unable to comment on stereo imaging since I can only squeeze in one of the two 220cm by 220cm monster speakers in the house we currently live in...though I'm expecting that the femto has the advantage in that domain too. darkforce, damian101 and Dev 1 1 1 ISP, glass to Fritz!box 5530, another Fritz!box 5530 for audio only in bridged mode on LPS, cat8.1, Zyxel switch on LPS, Finisar <1475BTL>Solarflare X2522-25G, external wifi AP, AMD 9 16 core, passive cooling ,Aorus Master x570, LPSU with Taiko ATX, 8Gb Apacer RAM, femto SSD on LPS, Pink Faun I2S ultra OCXO on akiko LPS, home grown RJ45 I2S cable, Metrum Adagio DAC3, RCA 70-A and Miyaima Zero for mono, G2 PL519 tube amps. Link to comment
Dev Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Is anyone using this with M.2 to PCIe adapter ? The Z490 motherboards doesn't have a direct to CPU M.2 slot. Hence, currently I use an adapter for my Optane OS drive. I haven't tried different ones and compared to see if there are any SQ differences. Wondering if anyone has experience with a good one and find a difference with this NVME audiophile SSD from @darkforce ? Link to comment
Darryl R Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Dev said: Is anyone using this with M.2 to PCIe adapter ? The Z490 motherboards doesn't have a direct to CPU M.2 slot. Hence, currently I use an adapter for my Optane OS drive. I haven't tried different ones and compared to see if there are any SQ differences. Wondering if anyone has experience with a good one and find a difference with this NVME audiophile SSD from @darkforce ? Looks like @Exocer is Exocer 1 Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Dev said: Is anyone using this with M.2 to PCIe adapter ? The Z490 motherboards doesn't have a direct to CPU M.2 slot. Hence, currently I use an adapter for my Optane OS drive. I haven't tried different ones and compared to see if there are any SQ differences. Wondering if anyone has experience with a good one and find a difference with this NVME audiophile SSD from @darkforce ? You are unlikely to be able to use the FEMTO drive on a PCIE adaptor because there is a pin projecting out the back from the DC jack, the two adaptors I have did not have adequate clearance to allow torquing the hold screw down. Haven't measured but it looks the clearance on the cards at the connector end is 1/8" vs 1/4" inch on a Z390 motherboard. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Dev Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Darryl R said: Looks like @Exocer is Ok, thanks. I have been using an adapter for a while now which looks similar to @Exocerbut I have not compared to anything else. My question was did anyone found SQ differences between different adapters ? Link to comment
Dev Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 4 hours ago, davide256 said: You are unlikely to be able to use the FEMTO drive on a PCIE adaptor because there is a pin projecting out the back from the DC jack, the two adaptors I have did not have adequate clearance to allow torquing the hold screw down. Haven't measured but it looks the clearance on the cards at the connector end is 1/8" vs 1/4" inch on a Z390 motherboard. I see but looks like @Exoceris already using one with the FEMTO drive. See the post above yours. It might be worth to see what adapter he is using. Link to comment
Popular Post ASRMichael Posted August 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2021 I’m not one for reviews but here I go… The audiophile M.2 is being powered by SJ DC3 rail. @darkforce I’ll start by saying well done to you for identifying the need for a audiophile M.2. I’ve spent last 3 weeks comparing the audiophile M.2 against the following; - Optane 32gb - Sabrent Rocket - Evo Plus - Crucial - WD Blue - WD Black As you can see I’ve tried quite a few over the last year or so. To be 100% honest as much as I preferred the Optane over the others it was hard to tell without really focussing on the music. Who focuses on music? I certainly don’t, I enjoy music. But this is a hobby so I like comparing stuff!!! @Exocer messaged me about this audiophile card, saying I’ve got to try it. I initial thought was, it’s just another M2 comparison. I held off for a few months…until I seen many reviews on here. So I got the itch and ordered the audiophile M.2. I like to install things, leave for a few weeks & revert back to how it was before. This removes excitement, settling system down factors. I’ll get to the point. If an Optane rated at 2 & all other cards are rated at 1, then Audiophile M.2 is rated at 5! What I’ve learnt is no matter what M.2 card you use, Optane, Evo plus etc they all introduce a huge amount of noise intoI look forward putting a face to the name your system. The audiophile M.2 removes all the negatives. I recommend this card, just wish it was available a few years earlier. Then I would not have bought so many M.2’s. 😂 Is it worth the money? You will need to judge this yourself. What I perceive is good value might be different to you. If powering externally then don’t forget to move the jumper to different position. Dev, darkforce, damian101 and 3 others 3 2 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Exocer Posted August 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Dev said: I see but looks like @Exoceris already using one with the FEMTO drive. See the post above yours. It might be worth to see what adapter he is using. I used the Rivo M2 to PCIE adapter. Zero issues: davide256, Dev and darkforce 1 1 1 Link to comment
NewOldman Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 I have been testing this SSD for a couple of months now and it beats everything from CF-card to SSD of all kinds, The important thing is that the m.2 slot goes directly to the CPU on the motherboard, and that you use an LPS ,. It simply sounds natural and good !! it is not cheap but clearly worth the price, but you avoid the cost of a good SATA cable. Exocer 1 Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 3:15 PM, Exocer said: I used the Rivo M2 to PCIE adapter. Zero issues: Avoid this SIIG PCIE x4 adaptor, not enough clearance https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KWGZKW6/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 picture of pin projecting from back of NVME card Exocer 1 Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Smaragdhk Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 11:05 PM, davide256 said: @kelvinwsy do give Euphony a whirl with buffer track to RAM options disabled, cache to drive enabled, paying attention in particular to treble. Was having some resonance like problems with treble on "Ready Player One " 96/24 soundtrack that this helped, will be trying other recordings today with lots of treble energy. I have buffer track to RAM disabled but how does one enable cache to drive? Link to comment
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