Afterdark Master Clock for Uptone EtherRegen

[AfterDark.]

40 minutes ago, Mat said:

Do I need mini circuits ?

 

Hi! Mat,

 

We have mini circuits in 50ohm, which can improve the performance for EtherREGEN.

 

Purchase link

 

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark.

[ambre]

1 hour ago, Mat said:

Do I need mini circuits ?

Yes

[Standard]

Bought the Giesemann Eva after seeing many recommendations, not specifically for the EtherRegen but for my DI20HE and R7HE DAC. The Morion 89a made a good improvement, and a custom made high-end 10M which made a godly improvement. I don't know the specs of the custom made but I'm hoping the Eva is right up there. 

 

Only issue I can see is the warm-up time, if it was quicker I'd take it to a local hifi event in October.

 

2-weeks lead time + delivery should get here in < 3 weeks, right before my birthday. Can't wait!

[scolley]

@AfterDark., I got your Emperor Signature model yesterday. Thank you for the very prompt shipping. The unit arrived VERY well packaged, and externally shows excellent build quality. Inserting the power cable even had a satisfying "click!" as it fully engaged. Well made. Thank you.

 

But I am disappointed to see the cable you sent.

The above photo is a pic of the cable, along with a power cord that I was not expecting. Did not need the cord, and did not appear to be mentioned on this webpage where I bought the clock. If it's there, I missed it. But for the coax cable I was expecting...

 

"Duelund AC0.4 Silver Premium Audio Cable (Silver in Cotton / Oil impregnated)" as listed in that webpage.", as describe on that webpage, and not listed as optional, but a part of what was being purchased.

 

Can you please send one now? Or am I missing something?

 

Thanks - Steve

[FredA]

Got my Eva (3-output) 3 weeks ago, it is fully burned in i think. 

 

I use the two 50-ohm square outputs for the di20he and r7he mkii. 

 

The effect is an overall improved clarity, which make for very realistic sound. To the extent I have to revisit all my albums, i hear new things in all of them. 

 

So i a very happy with the unit! Nice work, Adrian!

[AfterDark.]

8 hours ago, scolley said:

@AfterDark., I got your Emperor Signature model yesterday. Thank you for the very prompt shipping. The unit arrived VERY well packaged, and externally shows excellent build quality. Inserting the power cable even had a satisfying "click!" as it fully engaged. Well made. Thank you.

 

But I am disappointed to see the cable you sent.

The above photo is a pic of the cable, along with a power cord that I was not expecting. Did not need the cord, and did not appear to be mentioned on this webpage where I bought the clock. If it's there, I missed it. But for the coax cable I was expecting...

 

"Duelund AC0.4 Silver Premium Audio Cable (Silver in Cotton / Oil impregnated)" as listed in that webpage.", as describe on that webpage, and not listed as optional, but a part of what was being purchased.

 

Can you please send one now? Or am I missing something?

 

Thanks - Steve

 

Hi! Steve,

 

Thanks for you message and feedback. The DC cable is stock cable to connect the LPS, the cable is in 2.1mm, it will come along with the packages. The 75ohm coaxial is free for group buy.

 

Duelund AC0.4 Silver cable is installed inside the Giesemann Clock as standard. 

 

If you want to upgrade the DC cable to better one, we have the choices below:

https://www.adark.co/collections/project-giesemann-ocxo/products/afterdark-black-modernize-duelund-audio-dc-cable-x-giesemann-ocxo-10m-edition

 

Thanks and have a nice weekend.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 

[yoby]

Hi everyone: Has anybody upgraded to the Emperor Double Crown clock from the Queen clock? Would you please describes the sonic differences? What is the price difference in US dollars? Thanks in advance. Jeff L

[MartinT]

I compared similarly, but one increment up, an AfterDark Emperor Triple Crown over a King.  From my notes...

 

I had an immediate impression of more realism in cymbal strikes, greater note decay and a darker background. Percussive detail is pervasive in everything and the midrange is smoother and less gritty.

 

Bass is felt rather than heard. Less like hearing a pub band with over-driven bass punching you in the chest, more like an Underground train emerging from the tunnel, shaking you in the gut. John knows what I mean, comparing a straight punch with an undercut.

Transients are no longer aural assaults consisting only of loudness. Now they have distance, shape and texture. They can still be loud but the closer approach to real sound makes them more tolerable, and that's also accounting for my lower volume setting of -18dB. I rarely whack it up to -16dB these days.

Even my harshness tests of Sharon van Etten and Feist pass more comfortably, the music flowing with great impact but not giving me a headache. As for Hawkwind's Space Ritual - what a revelation!

[Mjw21a]

Hi Adrian,  do you have stock of the Emperor Double Crown?  I'm thinking about upgrading from my Queen.

 

Cheers 

 

Matt

[AfterDark.]

43 minutes ago, Mjw21a said:

Hi Adrian,  do you have stock of the Emperor Double Crown?  I'm thinking about upgrading from my Queen.

 

Cheers 

 

Matt

Hello Matt,

 

Thanks for your message. The Emperor Double Crown is in limited production every month. We only managed to produce few units per months. 

Please see the pm, we shall give you the estimates time of productions.

 

Have a nice weekend.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 
 

 

[Mjw21a]

Cool, thanks mate 

[scolley]

13 hours ago, AfterDark. said:

Duelund AC0.4 Silver cable is installed inside the Giesemann Clock as standard. 

Ohhh... It's INSIDE the clock, and NOT the external cable being provided as a part of the package. Got it. Thank you for the clarification. You might want to make that a bit more clear on your website, or at least more clear in the English language part of it, for it's not clear now.

 

Thanks.

[AfterDark.]

10 minutes ago, scolley said:

Ohhh... It's INSIDE the clock, and NOT the external cable being provided as a part of the package. Got it. Thank you for the clarification. You might want to make that a bit more clear on your website, or at least more clear in the English language part of it, for it's not clear now.

 

Thanks.

 

Hello! Steve,

 

Thanks for your comments. We just revised the product details accordingly on the website. 

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark.

[AfterDark.]

Hi!  

 

We are quite delighted to receive the very good feedback from Giesemann EVA, Triple Output.

He is connecting to one of the high resolution DAC with 10M Master Clock Input. 

 

Have every customers to share the feedback with us. We shall continue to develop and keep improving for Giesemann collection. 

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark.  

 

[sahmen]

So I initiated my Queen Squarewave Gieseman Clock only last night to begin the "burn-in."  I was just wondering how many hours or days of burn in are normally required for each clock to hit its own stride. By the way, I can hear the difference already.

 

Is there any kind of light on the unit that should go on in order to show that it is working?

[Mjw21a]

No light no.... On the other hand my Mutec has a link light for the master clock so I can tell that way. I find it sounds better even after a few hours use but improves up to around a month. 

[MartinT]

My AfterDark clocks have continued to improve up to around 30 days after first switch-on.  I would say they have reached full performance now, and very good indeed is that performance.  No regrets at all with going in this direction.

[Mjw21a]

Just placed my order for the 75ohm Emperor Double Crown last night. Super keen to see how this improves things over the Queen 75ohm Square Wave  :)

[AfterDark.]

Thanks for all positive feedback after burn in. The improvement is huge, the music is much organic and smooth. We received one customer feedback today.

 

[ambre]

Hi Adrian.

 

What your present experiences concerning the additional filters as defined by John Swenson for the 50 and 75 Ohm Sin wave clocks ?

 

At first instance sounded good/ better / differently.

as before ..,,but I was informed that for better Quality Adark clocks this could be contraproductive in term if Sq maybe too clean too digital.

Maybe good for the Chinese BG Sin wave etc!

 

Please your advice from which clock level to should not be needed from Prince to Eva?

 

Will de-install to hear the original Sq again.

 

Ps. Yes every  change isn’t always an improvement.

Very best regards,Andreas

 

 

[AfterDark.]

 

On 6/1/2021 at 12:04 AM, ambre said:

Hi Adrian.

 

What your present experiences concerning the additional filters as defined by John Swenson for the 50 and 75 Ohm Sin wave clocks ?

 

At first instance sounded good/ better / differently.

as before ..,,but I was informed that for better Quality Adark clocks this could be contraproductive in term if Sq maybe too clean too digital.

Maybe good for the Chinese BG Sin wave etc!

 

Please your advice from which clock level to should not be needed from Prince to Eva?

 

Will de-install to hear the original Sq again.

 

Ps. Yes every  change isn’t always an improvement.

Very best regards,Andreas

 

 

 

Hello! Andreas,

 

Thanks for your questions. We have some positive review with the Giesemann Clock - Emperor Signature to work with EtherREGEN. The reviews is worth to shares.

 

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/etherregen-with-an-afterdark-ocxo-clock-wow/161630

 

Review of Giesemann OCXO - Queen SE Square Wave for EtherREGEN after 30 days month "burn-in"

 

Thanks and have a nice day.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 

[ambre]

On 5/31/2021 at 6:04 PM, ambre said:

Hi Adrian.

 

What your present experiences concerning the additional filters as defined by John Swenson for the 50 and 75 Ohm Sin wave clocks ?

 

At first instance sounded good/ better / differently.

as before ..,,but I was informed that for better Quality Adark clocks this could be contraproductive in term if Sq maybe too clean too digital..

Very best regards,Andreas

 

 

Imo removing Mini Circuits filter betters overall sound on my 50 Ohm Afterdark.

 

At first instance I was delighted but …after a while I was missing some aspects.

 

High focus on mid high and really airy but cymbals wasn’t that crispy as remembered and mid bass lacks also and deep low bass isn’t was earlier( especially organ music) as low as it should / can be.

 

For sale within Europe for €15,00 ex postage 🥸

[AfterDark.]

2 hours ago, ambre said:

Imo removing Mini Circuits filter betters overall sound on my 50 Ohm Afterdark.

 

At first instance I was delighted but …after a while I was missing some aspects.

 

High focus on mid high and really airy but cymbals wasn’t that crispy as remembered and mid bass lacks also and deep low bass isn’t was earlier( especially organ music) as low as it should / can be.

 

For sale within Europe for €15,00 ex postage 🥸

 

Hi Ambre,

 

This is the same feeling with some of the Giesemann customers. The low-pass filter will act like a low pass filter, like the power filter, which cut the information from the backgrounds. It may make music not natural in presentation. The filter adds two more contact points between the signal, which harm the performances. The high quality Giesemann Clock never needs this filter to compensate the perfomance. 

 

We believe the noise is make music alive, more analog and organic. If it is too clean, we will start to feel the music is clean with digital feelings.  Less is more.

 

We believes customers perfers natural and smooth music representations. The high resolution of music, which audiophile can feels right and play music should have been sound. When we tested our products, we perform listening test on our Goldmund system with music on Classical, Piano and Violin. This can demonstrated the weakness and strength with respect to the new products. We fine tune them with audiophile's mind and keep customers smile when listening to music. 

 

Some of the device e.g. Mutec MC-3+USB will drop out with this Mini Circuits low pass filter. There is some information, which is important , being filter out which this filter.  

 

We have another happy customer today :-)

 

Have a nice day. 

 

Best Regards,

Adrian 

AfterDark. 

 

 

[R1200CL]

59 minutes ago, AfterDark. said:

Some of the device e.g. Mutec MC-3+USB will drop out with this Mini Circuits low pass filter. There is some information, which is important , being filter out which this filter.  

Using the Cybershaft splitter and the filters, (SU-2 and EtherRegen) I get dropouts too. That’s why I have requested to purchase another clock from you 😀

I will test without the filters, and report back. I should of cause taught of that myself. 

[Mjw21a]

20 hours ago, AfterDark. said:

We believe the noise is make music alive, more analog and organic. If it is too clean, we will start to feel the music is clean with digital feelings.  Less is more.

 

We believes customers perfers natural and smooth music representations. The high resolution of music, which audiophile can feels right and play music should have been sound. When we tested our products, we perform listening test on our Goldmund system with music on Classical, Piano and Violin. This can demonstrated the weakness and strength with respect to the new products. We fine tune them with audiophile's mind and keep customers smile when listening to music. 

 

Some of the device e.g. Mutec MC-3+USB will drop out with this Mini Circuits low pass filter. There is some information, which is important , being filter out which this filter.  

 

Yes, I found that the connection would drop on my Mutec however once I changed the stock Belden cable for a Tchernov Special this issue went away. The Tchernov Special seems more transparent and detailed however lacks the smooth richness of the Belden which I've missed seeming to be almost a typical Hi-Fi sound in comparison. I've a double shielded 75ohm cable being made with vintage Western Electric wire.  I'm hoping this brings back the magic while retaining the detail I get with the Tchernov Special.  Guess I'll see.

 

I should receive the Emperor Double Crown soon which will be a very nice improvement from the Queen 75ohm Square Wave. With some luck this combo will work well together.