EvilTed Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 You pays your money, you takes your chance. I have a lot more data than music files and being in the Data Protection industry, I really don't ever want to have to perform a full restore. You should use 2x SSDs in RAID 0 for the QNAP OS and Roon. Double the performance and easily snapped to those spinning disks for immediate restore, in the event of failure. 3x 4TB USB drives shipped vs. restoring 10 TB over the wire? Please convince me of the logic here? 1. You will be capped by your ISP and have to pay extra 2. You will be waiting around for a while. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, EvilTed said: You pays your money, you takes your chance. I have a lot more data than music files and being in the Data Protection industry, I really don't ever want to have to perform a full restore. You should use 2x SSDs in RAID 0 for the QNAP OS and Roon. Double the performance and easily snapped to those spinning disks for immediate restore, in the event of failure. 3x 4TB USB drives shipped vs. restoring 10 TB over the wire? Please convince me of the logic here? 1. You will be capped by your ISP and have to pay extra 2. You will be waiting around for a while. Hi Evil or should I say Ted :~) I would totally love to RAID0 my M.2 drives and should've done as you say, snapshot them to the spinning disk array. Restoring 10TB over my network (NAS to NAS) is pretty easy and doesn't take too long. It's much quicker than the pony express and I control the entire process. Restoring 10TB over the Internet from a company such as Backblaze is an unknown, but I have 1 Gbps up/down fiber into my house and no data caps. The fact that it's $65 per month is crazy and I thank my lucky stars every day :~) Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
austinpop Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I have 1 Gbps up/down fiber into my house and no data caps. The fact that it's $65 per month is crazy and I thank my lucky stars every day :~) You should!! I'm stuck here with no fiber provider serving my location. Spectrum excitingly raised their top tier to 940 Mbps download, but a criminally low 35 Mbps upload. MarkS 1 My Audio Setup Link to comment
Foggie Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: but I have 1 Gbps up/down fiber into my house and no data caps. The fact that it's $65 per month is crazy and I thank my lucky stars every day Wow that's nuts. xfinity or something else? My rig Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Foggie said: Wow that's nuts. xfinity or something else? CenturyLink. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Foggie Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: CenturyLink. Ahh yes. Hoping that fiber makes it out to the east burbs, tired of the xfinity prices. My rig Link to comment
ssh Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I never pass up an opportunity to express that my Comcast experience was the worst commercial experience of my life. The Computer Audiophile 1 SSH Link to comment
Jud Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Interesting how this varies geographically. Here in an outlying community in the Southwest, the price and speed for CenturyLink are about what Chris mentioned, while Xfinity (Comcast) is far more expensive for the same download speed, and upload is limited to something like 40mbps. But very few people seem to want CenturyLink, or to stick with them if they can help it. On Nextdoor here (social media for neighborhoods - think "They leave their garbage cans out all day!", but Facebook-ized) there are constant complaints about their lack of reliability. Xfinity very seldom goes down. And I also have to say that dealing with Xfinity Mobile after AT&T and Verizon has been an extremely pleasant change. I have no doubt the situation is different elsewhere, but I'm reasonably happy with Xfinity here. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
afrancois Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Wanna live in Belgium 80$ for 200Mbps download and 20Mbps upload. My Car cost 15000$ more here than in America and the German factory is only 600km from my home. Link to comment
ShawnC Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 hours ago, austinpop said: You should!! I'm stuck here with no fiber provider serving my location. Spectrum excitingly raised their top tier to 940 Mbps download, but a criminally low 35 Mbps upload. About 5 years ago I was at a Hospital waiting for my Dad to get out of surgery. While bored and screwing around I sent some emails and texts out and was amazed how fast it went. So I opened up Speedtest by Ookla and ran a test of the upload and download speeds. The Download speed at the time was nothing great like 50 Mbps but the upload speed was 90Mbps. I tried to explain how fast this was to my mom but she had no idea what I was talking about. Compared to my parents Comcast speed and my house's speed at the time, we were getting 300Mbps download and 12Mbps upload. I joked around to some of my friends and said, if you need to upload anything big, go to a hospital and log into their WiFi. Sending and receiving information about a patient is vital in a hospital, thus the great upload speed. Today my Comcast speed is 800Mbps down and 25Mbps up. They kept doubling the speed over the past 3 years without any extra fees. I do pay out of my ass for full premium cable channels, phone, internet and home security. Such is life. Solstice380 1 Computer setup - Roon/Qobuz - PS Audio P5 Regenerator - HIFI Rose 250A Streamer - Emotiva XPA-2 Harbeth P3ESR XD - Rel R-528 Sub Comfy Chair - Schitt Jotunheim - Meze Audio Empyrean w/Mitch Barnett's Accurate Sound FilterSet Link to comment
Solstice380 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 60 D/L and 70 U/L on the guest WiFi at the hospital where I am at the moment, so no guarantees. 19 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: CenturyLink. Those cheap SOBs won’t upgrade the local switch so we are stuck with their lousy copper DSL. I’m too embarrassed to even post numbers. I got to know the local tech supervisor pretty well due to their aging equipment always failing. He was able to backdoor a bonded connection, which corporate tech support told me wasn’t possible, to double my download speed to 20Mbps. Sad, huh? The situation gets kind of better - we are getting fiber. I thought the US was spending big bucks on spreading fiber but they want to charge my neighbor and me to bring the fiber from the street to the house. Mine isn’t so bad at 200 ft. distance but he’s almost a 1/2 mile and they want US$600!!! WTF? He said no. We are trying to work through our congress-person but getting their attention right about now is literally impossible. https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/21384-solstice380/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
Temporal_Dissident Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 9:59 AM, The Computer Audiophile said: “I also use convolution filters for room correction with roughly 65,000 taps“ Great article. What’s a tap? Roon > dCS Bartok > Parasound JC 2BP > Parasound JC 5 > Wilson Yvette Technics SL-1200G & Bluesound Node > Luxman L-590axII > OJAS Bookshelf w/ Tweeter Horn Mod Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Temporal_Dissident said: Great article. What’s a tap? Tap – A FIR “tap” is simply a coefficient/delay pair. The number of FIR taps, (often designated as “N”) is an indication of 1) the amount of memory required to implement the filter, 2) the number of calculations required, and 3) the amount of “filtering” the filter can do; in effect, more taps means more stopband attenuation, less ripple, narrower filters, etc. From: https://dspguru.com/dsp/faqs/fir/basics/ ShawnC 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
udis Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 6/23/2020 at 8:58 AM, The Computer Audiophile said: I'm using M.2 drives to hold the 20GB Roon database, per Roon recommendations. This is where speed matters, not the spinning drives serving up 100MB tracks at a time. Hi Chris, I am currently attempting to configure a similar setup with TVS-672XT. Question about the M.2 drives. Since you are using these to run roon database, did you enable "Cache accelerator" for these drives? If so, what did you set the overprovisioning to? thanks.. Udi Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, udis said: Hi Chris, I am currently attempting to configure a similar setup with TVS-672XT. Question about the M.2 drives. Since you are using these to run roon database, did you enable "Cache accelerator" for these drives? If so, what did you set the overprovisioning to? thanks.. Udi If I understand you correctly, you're taking about SSD cache acceleration (link). I didn't enable this because I don't have files stored on a spinning drive that I need extremely quick access to and that aren't already delivered fast enough. Is this the same acceleration you're talking about? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
EvilTed Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I wouldn't use the SSDs for cache acceleration. Create a thick volume using both SSDs and put them in RAID 0. You use this volume for the QNAP OS and all applications, including Roon and it's database. Then you can snapshot this volume and either export the snapshot to an external drive over USB or to another volume on the NAS. Note that it has to have as much free space as the volume. HTH Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 59 minutes ago, EvilTed said: I wouldn't use the SSDs for cache acceleration. Create a thick volume using both SSDs and put them in RAID 0. You use this volume for the QNAP OS and all applications, including Roon and it's database. Then you can snapshot this volume and either export the snapshot to an external drive over USB or to another volume on the NAS. Note that it has to have as much free space as the volume. HTH Given that static volumes have better performance than thin or thick volumes and are much simpler, I’d raid 0 them and just use Roon’s built in backup tool to another volume. In reality though, the complexity isn’t necessary. It’s fun though. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
EvilTed Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Yeah, but like I said, I run the OS and all the Apps on the Thick Volume and so I want to use SnapShots. You cannot use QNAP SnapShots on Static Volumes, but you can easily convert between volume types and figure out if the performance is degraded. I run 2x EVO 500 GB SSDs in RAID 0 in a thick volume and it has absolutely no performance issues. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, EvilTed said: Yeah, but like I said, I run the OS and all the Apps on the Thick Volume and so I want to use SnapShots. You cannot use QNAP SnapShots on Static Volumes, but you can easily convert between volume types and figure out if the performance is degraded. I run 2x EVO 500 GB SSDs in RAID 0 in a thick volume and it has absolutely no performance issues. Dumb question. Why do you snapshot the OS and apps that can easily be reinstalled from their sources? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
EvilTed Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 All the configuration Yes, the apps are easily reinstalled but settings and configuration are not. Jobs for anti-virus runs, HBS3 syncs of the NAS with Backblaze B2 etc. It's a PITA to set this stuff up again from scratch and much easier to just snap it and be done. This is also good practice in case you get robbed. If you take a snapshot and keep it offsite, all you need to do is purchase another QNAP, set it up and then restore the snapshot and you have everything operational again. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
udis Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/12/2020 at 4:34 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: If I understand you correctly, you're taking about SSD cache acceleration (link). I didn't enable this because I don't have files stored on a spinning drive that I need extremely quick access to and that aren't already delivered fast enough. Is this the same acceleration you're talking about? Yes. That's exactly what I am referring to. thanks. Link to comment
udis Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 @The Computer Audiophile - quick question on the m.2 drives. How did you configure these in terms of pool(s) and volume(s)? I currently have it in the same pool as my spinning drives, but the two m.2 drives share a separate volume. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, udis said: @The Computer Audiophile - quick question on the m.2 drives. How did you configure these in terms of pool(s) and volume(s)? I currently have it in the same pool as my spinning drives, but the two m.2 drives share a separate volume. I go for simplicity and speed on the QNAPs. Static volumes on the M.2 drives are fastest and easiest. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
udis Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I go for simplicity and speed on the QNAPs. Static volumes on the M.2 drives are fastest and easiest. Do they share a volume or is each on a separate static volume. Sorry if I am missing something obvious. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, udis said: Do they share a volume or is each on a separate static volume. Sorry if I am missing something obvious. The way I used them, they don’t share a volume because there is no need. Just straight up one drive one volume. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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