ted_b Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: ??? I am running win10 on two different systems and both have QNAP NAS drives in them. Roon always adds new content automatically. Aren't we talking about Roon's inability to auto-scan/watch on QNAP vs on Windows? Kal, it sounds like your Roon is Windows-based (as is mine). Chris describes "watched folders" issue on QNAP-installed Roon, right? "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, ted_b said: Aren't we talking about Roon's inability to auto-scan/watch on QNAP vs on Windows? Kal, it sounds like your Roon is Windows-based (as is mine). Chris describes "watched folders" issue on QNAP-installed Roon, right? I'm talking about watched folder on a NAS that isn't the core. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Foggie Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I must not be fully understanding this, sorry, lol. In Roon my watched folder setting is disabled. There is a setting below that where you input a hard coded address (NAS share point / very top level folder) which is what I have set if I recall. I’ll have to look when I have access. My rig Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Foggie said: I must not be fully understanding this, sorry, lol. In Roon my watched folder setting is disabled. There is a setting below that where you input a hard coded address (NAS share point) which is what I have set if I recall. I’ll have to look when I have access. I think we’re talking the same thing. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I'm not making it up. I've talked to the Roon guys about it as well. I am not doubting you. My suspicion, though, is that it is not problem due to any particular hardware or OS but, rather, to some obscure and probably accidental communications mismatch. Such is beyond my depth of knowledge and I'd attack it, if I had to, by stripping everything down and apart and reinstalling everything, hard and soft. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: I am not doubting you. My suspicion, though, is that it is not problem due to any particular hardware or OS but, rather, to some obscure and probably accidental communications mismatch. Such is beyond my depth of knowledge and I'd attack it, if I had to, by stripping everything down and apart and reinstalling everything, hard and soft. It’s an OS limitation. Nothing I or Roon can do. Many people have the issue. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: It’s an OS limitation. Nothing I or Roon can do. Many people have the issue. Are all people with the same OS having this problem? If not, it ain't the OS, per se. Wait. Are you referring to the OS on the QNAP with the core on it? If so, the question remains although the sample population is much smaller. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Foggie Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 FWIW this is my setting. Static IP's on all my networked audio devices The Computer Audiophile 1 My rig Link to comment
austinpop Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I realize people have high expectations of Roon's slick UI, where the inability to auto-detect new music added to an SMB storage source is seen as a failure, but I've just gotten used to doing a "Force Rescan" anytime I add new music, so I have no issue with it. My bigger issue is that you can't force Roon to detect additions to Qobuz favorites and automatically add them to the library. Even a restart of Core doesn't seem to trigger it. Sorry - I know this is OT for QNAP. Apologies. MarkS 1 My Audio Setup Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, austinpop said: I realize people have high expectations of Roon's slick UI, where the inability to auto-detect new music added to an SMB storage source is seen as a failure, but I've just gotten used to doing a "Force Rescan" anytime I add new music, so I have no issue with it. My bigger issue is that you can't force Roon to detect additions to Qobuz favorites and automatically add them to the library. Even a restart of Core doesn't seem to trigger it. Sorry - I know this is OT for QNAP. Apologies. Qobuz albums that you’ve marked favorite? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Qobuz albums that you’ve marked favorite? I'm not sure if it's the same issue as Austinpop is describing, but there is an issue where Qobuz adds an album to their library, and it will take a few days for that album to appear in Roon, even if it is favorited in Qobuz. No electron left behind. Link to comment
austinpop Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Qobuz albums that you’ve marked favorite? Yeah. Best I can tell, when you add a Qobuz album to Roon library, it gets added to your favorites in Qobuz’s UI... and vice versa. Because Roon is not the only music software I use, I will often browse Music on the Qobuz app, and mark albums as favorites (the heart icon) for later listening - either on Stylus or Roon. The problem is that Roon makes its own decision when to rescan your Qobuz account favorites and add new additions to the library. Note: you can always navigate to your Qobuz favorites in Roon by going to them using the Qobuz section of the UI. The difference is these are not technically in your library yet. Why does this matter? Usually not much, except in searches where you limit the search to library only. So not a showstopper, just wanted to point out a quirk. My Audio Setup Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, austinpop said: Yeah. Best I can tell, when you add a Qobuz album to Roon library, it gets added to your favorites in Qobuz’s UI... and vice versa. Because Roon is not the only music software I use, I will often browse Music on the Qobuz app, and mark albums as favorites (the heart icon) for later listening - either on Stylus or Roon. The problem is that Roon makes its own decision when to rescan your Qobuz account favorites and add new additions to the library. Note: you can always navigate to your Qobuz favorites in Roon by going to them using the Qobuz section of the UI. The difference is these are not technically in your library yet. Why does this matter? Usually not much, except in searches where you limit the search to library only. So not a showstopper, just wanted to point out a quirk. I usually don’t have this issue. When I do, I just re-sync with Qobuz in the Roon settings. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
clipper Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, austinpop said: Yeah. Best I can tell, when you add a Qobuz album to Roon library, it gets added to your favorites in Qobuz’s UI... and vice versa. Because Roon is not the only music software I use, I will often browse Music on the Qobuz app, and mark albums as favorites (the heart icon) for later listening - either on Stylus or Roon. The problem is that Roon makes its own decision when to rescan your Qobuz account favorites and add new additions to the library. Note: you can always navigate to your Qobuz favorites in Roon by going to them using the Qobuz section of the UI. The difference is these are not technically in your library yet. Why does this matter? Usually not much, except in searches where you limit the search to library only. So not a showstopper, just wanted to point out a quirk. If you go into Roon's settings (Services) and log out of Qobuz (and then log back in), Roon should pull in your favorites. Link to comment
austinpop Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, clipper said: If you go into Roon's settings (Services) and log out of Qobuz (and then log back in), Roon should pull in your favorites. I know, but a kludge at best! My Audio Setup Link to comment
clipper Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, austinpop said: I know, but a kludge at best! For sure. Not ideal... Link to comment
Crom Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/17/2020 at 12:12 AM, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Crom, yeah Roon’s db works best on Windows but I always have an issue when storing my music on a NAS. Because of the limitations of CIFS / network shares, Roon can’t update the database when new music is added without a scan. I could schedule a scan but that doesn’t help when I download album and want it right now. I will be trying Roon core on Windows again soon. Hmmm, I can't say I've ever experienced that. In fact, I've just checked and I copied a couple of albums into a monitored folder before I put the kids to bed about 50-60 mins ago and they've appeared in Roon. Not sure how long but no longer than 1 hour...so potentially not immediately! I can't honestly remember what I used to create the network shares. I used NFS with linux but can't remember whether I got that to work on Windows...when I get a chance to check I'll let you know. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
bluesman Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 3:23 PM, bobflood said: Just curious. Can an adult live long enough to listen to 10 TB of music? On 6/12/2020 at 3:30 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: Definitely not. What’s the alternative, picking certain tracks from albums to save and delete the others? One of the coolest things about living "long enough" is that you discover beauty you overlooked the first time around. I'm amazed at how many tracks I either disliked enough to ignore after first listen or forgot about for decades, only to love them when rediscovered decades later. Act in haste, repent at leisure. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 hours ago, bluesman said: Act in haste, repent at leisure. Act in haste, repent post mortem. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
bluesman Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said: Act in haste, repent post mortem. Wise words, my friend. We grow old too soon and smart too late. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bluesman said: Wise words, my friend. We grow old too soon and smart too late. That implies that I am old. 😎 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
bluesman Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Kal Rubinson said: That implies that I am old. 😎 Nah - just prematurely wise Link to comment
austinpop Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 6:59 PM, austinpop said: Yeah. Best I can tell, when you add a Qobuz album to Roon library, it gets added to your favorites in Qobuz’s UI... and vice versa. Because Roon is not the only music software I use, I will often browse Music on the Qobuz app, and mark albums as favorites (the heart icon) for later listening - either on Stylus or Roon. The problem is that Roon makes its own decision when to rescan your Qobuz account favorites and add new additions to the library. Note: you can always navigate to your Qobuz favorites in Roon by going to them using the Qobuz section of the UI. The difference is these are not technically in your library yet. Why does this matter? Usually not much, except in searches where you limit the search to library only. So not a showstopper, just wanted to point out a quirk. Mea culpa. I should have checked more carefully. There is a Sync button that does what I need. I only use Roon occasionally these days, so I missed this. My Audio Setup Link to comment
EvilTed Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 @The Computer Audiophile Disagree all you want about RAID 5. As drive sizes increase the array rebuild time increases. If you haven't got a spare drives lying around (and I'll wager someone cheap enough to use RAID 5 probably doesn't), then you open yourself to risk of complete array failure. This is not opinion, it is fact. It has absolutely nothing to do with running the NAS at home vs. Enterprise. At the end of the day, it's your data. I don't take unnecessary chances with mine. Here is an old article that explains the problem. 10 hours to rebuild an array with 4TB drives. Most drives used today are 8TB and larger, so you are looking at a 24 hour window when the extra stress of the rebuild could cause a second drive to fail and then you are done. http://www.enterprisestorageguide.com/raid-disk-rebuild-times Also, If you don't care about performance, then why are you even using M.2 SSDs? Anyway, Backblaze B2 supports USB drive snapshots of up to 4TB. You can create snapshots in the B2 Browser interface of any size. How did you seed B2 with 10 TB and how long did it take to get seeded? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, EvilTed said: @The Computer Audiophile Disagree all you want about RAID 5. As drive sizes increase the array rebuild time increases. If you haven't got a spare drives lying around (and I'll wager someone cheap enough to use RAID 5 probably doesn't), then you open yourself to risk of complete array failure. This is not opinion, it is fact. It has absolutely nothing to do with running the NAS at home vs. Enterprise. At the end of the day, it's your data. I don't take unnecessary chances with mine. Here is an old article that explains the problem. 10 hours to rebuild an array with 4TB drives. Most drives used today are 8TB and larger, so you are looking at a 24 hour window when the extra stress of the rebuild could cause a second drive to fail and then you are done. http://www.enterprisestorageguide.com/raid-disk-rebuild-times Also, If you don't care about performance, then why are you even using M.2 SSDs? Anyway, Backblaze B2 supports USB drive snapshots of up to 4TB. You can create snapshots in the B2 Browser interface of any size. How did you seed B2 with 10 TB and how long did it take to get seeded? It's all about pros and cons / costs and benefits to me and most people. I've had about 1 drive failure in the last 5 years on a RAID 5 array. That's 438,000 hours of time. Let's say the rebuild took 24 of those hours. That's 0.0054% of the time I'm exposed, while the array rebuilds. I'm willing to take that risk because I have a backup, like everyone should. I'm using M.2 drives to hold the 20GB Roon database, per Roon recommendations. This is where speed matters, not the spinning drives serving up 100MB tracks at a time. My issue with Backblaze has always been the wonky restore limitations for consumers. If I want to restore 10TB, I have to select 500GB at a time or have a drive shipped to my house. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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