Michael Lavorgna strikes back.......

[crenca]

Just now, Rt66indierock said:

 

Michael in his MQA and DRM  article said that he had talked with Bob and according to Bob there is no DRM in MQA just authentication.  Then he went on about a conspiracy with MQA and DRM.  I told them there was no conspiracy you just haven't read what I have written and that meeting Bob is not that big a deal.

 

ML, along with the vast majority of the writers for these audiophile trade publications not only have no technical/legal background, they don't even show the desire to learn about these things unlike most hobbyists (e.g. as shown on this thread and on this site).  So, they rely on a hierarchy of confidence in authorities.  He did not understand how you did not counter with another authority higher in the hierarchy than Bob, so the only rational conclusion for him is that you are trying to usurp Bob's authority and are a "conspirator"...

[eclectic]

ML often uses phrases like "I do this for a living" or "I do this as my day job" to imply that "ordinary" forum members have no right to challenge anything he or his trade journal colleagues say. 

[Samuel T Cogley]

6 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

ML, along with the vast majority of the writers for these audiophile trade publications not only have no technical/legal background, they don't even show the desire to learn about these things unlike most hobbyists (e.g. as shown on this thread and on this site).  So, they rely on a hierarchy of confidence in authorities.  He did not understand how you did not counter with another authority higher in the hierarchy than Bob, so the only rational conclusion for him is that you are trying to usurp Bob's authority and are a "conspirator"...

 

There is a culture in the consumers of that kind of audiophile "authority" content that anyone who challenges those self proclaimed authorities is a troll, troublemaker, or just rude for not displaying the requisite fealty or reverence.

 

Personally, I like the Доверяй, но проверяй approach.

 

[Bill Brown]

1 hour ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

I'm just flattered that so many have spent so much time researching my avatar. 

 

Unfortunately I am guilty of cultural illiteracy!  I had no idea what the name referred to!  

[Samuel T Cogley]

10 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Unfortunately I am guilty of cultural illiteracy!  I had no idea what the name referred to!  

 

For my generation in particular, Star Trek was much, much more than a television show.

[christopher3393]

2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

There is a culture in the consumers of that kind of audiophile "authority" content that anyone who challenges those self proclaimed authorities is a troll, troublemaker, or just rude for not displaying the requisite fealty or reverence.

 

Personally, I like the Доверяй, но проверяй approach.

 

 

This claim and similar claims have been made by you many times with very little challenge. I wonder if it is based in an anti-religious bias, reading freethinker perspectives into audiophile journalism? If so, I'd call it eisegesis: " the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text... Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective."

 

This rings true to me, at least to some extent. Seems like there is a fair amount of this going around. Yours just seems to have a particularly freethought character.

 

Either this or they are just simplistic rhetorical jabs.

[Samuel T Cogley]

2 minutes ago, christopher3393 said:

 

This claim and similar claims have been made by you many times with very little challenge. I wonder if it is based in an anti-religious bias, reading freethinker perspectives into audiophile journalism? If so, I'd call it eisegesis: " the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text... Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective."

 

This rings true to me, at least to some extent.

 

I'm a little disappointed you didn't bother to translate the Russian part.  Perhaps you were distracted by an apparent opportunity to look scholarly.  If it makes you feel any better, that copy/paste is certainly worthy of a retired college professor IMHO. 

[christopher3393]

39 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

I'm a little disappointed you didn't bother to translate the Russian part.  Perhaps you were distracted by an apparent opportunity to look scholarly.  If it makes you feel any better, that copy/paste is certainly worthy of a retired college professor IMHO. 

 

 So, you're saying I'm right.

[Samuel T Cogley]

Just now, christopher3393 said:

 

 My area of academic specialization was philosophical and theological hermeneutics.  I didn't want to assume you were familiar with the Greek terms. And my comment was serious, not snark. But I get it. This will be the level of your replies, so the only point is to suggest to others that there is some serious bias going on in your characterizations. So much angst over ML, where do you get it all? It has to be about something bigger.

 

Because this has become some petty...

 

It appears we share equal conviction that the other is speaking from some kind of dogmatic platform, rather than one based on logic and objectivity.  And I certainly note your attempts to infer that my motivations are driven by something personal, emotional, or psychological.

 

My thesis is thus:  The professional audiophile pundit establishment (of which ML is indisputably a member) exists primarily to serve the interests of audio gear manufacturers.  As this onion is peeled, we get to the underlying psychology of consumerism in general and the stark elitism specifically that pervades the "high end" of audiophilia.  ML is an example.  Perhaps a more brazen example, but just an example of the pundit establishment.

 

From all the back and forth that we have had, I would say the crux of our disagreement is that you are utterly vested in the idea that meritocracy exists and is "pure".  I think it is demonstratively bogus, based on the preponderance of things like crony capitalism (for example) in our culture. But as our host has said quite eloquently, no one is changing anyone's mind here.

 

I say again that this back and forth is mind numbingly banal for just about everyone that reads this forum.  I suspect you're getting far more gratification from it than I.  But because our host seems to hold you in higher esteem than most of the members of this forum, I feel obligated to respond when a de facto forum authority confronts me.

 

I hope this reply scratches whatever itch you seem to have...

 

 

[PeterG]

3 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

I'm just flattered that so many have spent so much time researching my avatar. 

 

STC--while I have lacked the fetishistic interest necessary to do the research into your avatar, I am grateful that one of our other members has.  I enjoy your posts' multidimensional insightfulness--they bring something new to mind whether or not one agrees.  Kudos on the avatar--it's perfect!

[Ralf11]

4 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

You should stick with the pompous college professor shtick.  It works better for you than the dilettante psychologist thing you're attempting here.

 

he couldn't possibly be a professor

[Samuel T Cogley]

8 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

he couldn't possibly be a professor

 

I always imagined him more as The Penguin in the Blue Brothers

 

 

...or as those teachers Roger Waters sang about on The Wall

 

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

back on topic of this one will be locked up.

[Samuel T Cogley]

9 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

back on topic of this one will be locked up.

 

Gladly!

 

Is seems that ML might be concerned that "Computer Audio" might be a little to close to the name of a forum that jilted him...

 

Quote

The best places keep their menu fresh. With that in mind, we have re-organized AudioStream's menu structure to, ideally, make things make more sense while keeping pace with Network Audio's shifting landscape (e.g. I think "Network" audio makes more sense than "Computer" audio).

 

 

[semente]

20 hours ago, skikirkwood said:

 

Ok, let's do that, but let's stick to facts.  Here is ML's reply to my first comment on Audiostream - btw, I never apologized.

 

Someone has replied to your comment on AudioStream.com

Reply posted by: Michael Lavorgna
Reply title: Nice first post, Jim.
Reply comment:
>I found two blogs that really stood out in terms of educating someone like
>myself on the state of the art of audio today - Archimago's blog
>(archimago.blogspot.com), and Mark Waldrep's blog (www.realhd-audio.com).
Excellent. That's what's great about the web, we can all find sites we enjoy.
>Whereas I found many traditional audiophile magazines, Audiostream included,
>appear to be nothing more than a forum to help sell advertising of high-end
>audiophile products.
Appearances? It's OK to be wrong, Jim. The important thing is, once we learn
we are wrong, and you most certainly are, to admit it. You may also want to
apologize since your accusations based on appearances reflect directly on my
character. And that bothers me, Jim.
You may enjoy our Industry Voice section, located under Blogs, where we
interview industry people including Mark Waldrep. I think you'll find it both
educational and interesting.

You'll find the comment at:
http://www.audiostream.com/comment/507961#comment-507961

 

His style is akin to Farage's.

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Gladly!

 

Is seems that ML might be concerned that "Computer Audio" might be a little to close to the name of a forum that jilted him...

 

 

 

Interesting. 

 

I've always thought computer audio is the best true descriptor, no matter how someone is playing audio that isn't physical. Name one device that doesn't have a computer inside, yet plays audio from files or streaming services? They all have some type of processor and operating system, thus a computer.

 

 

[skikirkwood]

10 hours ago, Thouston said:

As long as you're stereotyping; you probably live in California, are a snowflake girlyman, think the government should protect and control your life, and have a Hillary sticker on your bicycle. 

 

I do live in California - northern California of course! And that would be a Hillary sticker on my Tesla.

[Ralf11]

northern California like chainsaws?  or northern California like techoids?

[skikirkwood]

1 minute ago, Ralf11 said:

northern California like chainsaws?  or northern California like techoids?

Palo Alto, the center of Silicon Valley, and Kirkwood, south of Lake Tahoe, the best skiing on the west coast. We got over 800 inches of snow last season.

 

And when some audiophile pundit starts lecturing me about the virtue of expensive USB and Ethernet cables I mention how I missed the point they are making when I studied computer science at Stanford.  Usually shuts people up - but not everyone.

[Ralf11]

ok - I hope they don't move you to Detroit.... (recent NYT article)

[skikirkwood]

1 minute ago, Ralf11 said:

ok - I hope they don't move you to Detroit.... (recent NYT article)

 

My wife was born in Maui and starts shivering when the temperature drops below 65 degrees.  Probably won't be happening!

[sandyk]

22 minutes ago, skikirkwood said:

And when some audiophile pundit starts lecturing me about the virtue of expensive USB and Ethernet cables I mention how I missed the point they are making when I studied computer science at Stanford.  Usually shuts people up - but not everyone.

 

[skikirkwood]

1 minute ago, sandyk said:

 

 

Like I said, it shuts up some people, but not all. Like the people who think they can hear the difference between an original CD and a copy.  Or a FLAC versus WAV.

[Ralf11]

"If you can't hear the difference between an original CD and a copy of your CD,

you might as well give up your drugs."

[skikirkwood]

Just now, Ralf11 said:

"If you can't hear the difference between an original CD and a copy of your CD,

you might as well give up your drugs."

 

Boom! Well, weed is finally legal in California.