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    Guest Editorial: Why did audio stop being about audio?

    How many forum threads on this site (and others) devolve into heated exchanges about whether people actually hear what they say they hear? Without “proof”, listeners are often mocked, insulted and their experiences discredited.


    Challenges range from assuming the listener has been influenced by expectation bias (I believe it will sound good, so it does sound good) to faulting his unwillingness to rely on measurements or blind testing.


    What bothers me most is reputations are attacked so casually. Everyone from Chris Connaker (one of the most decent people I’ve known in the industry) to reviewers and manufacturers are accused of lying, cheating and taking bribes. People, whom I suspect in most cases haven’t even heard the product they’re attacking, will smear the reputations of others they probably don’t know. Those who are attacked rely on their reputations to earn a living. That’s to say nothing of the personal attacks on the listeners themselves. And the attackers attack anonymously. Unless the case is black and white i.e. I sent you money and you never shipped my product or there are repeated, unresolved product defects, trying to ruin a person’s name is evil. Nothing will undo a person’s life faster and more effectively than giving him a bad reputation. And doing it anonymously and without hard evidence is cowardly and arrogant. In such cases, it’s highly likely the charge is far more unethical than the action being charged.


    Some will say measurements make their case open and shut. But there are too many examples of how measurements fall well short of telling the whole story. There are tube amps with 3% - 5% distortion that sound better to many than amps with far better measurements. Are those products a scam? Vinyl doesn’t measure nearly as well as digital and yet many strongly prefer its sound. Should fans of vinyl be told that turntable, tonearm and cartridge makers are scamming them as well?


    For some of my audio choices, some would say I’m deluding myself. Let’s say I am. If I’m happy with my delusion, why should the nay-sayers care? It’s an audio hobby. Why can’t I enjoy my system and post about my experiences, allowing others to judge? The nay-sayers might say “That’s fine, we’re just posting to protect others from being taken in.”


    Fair enough. But these are not always cases of “I have one opinion and you have another”. Many of the arguments are too heated, personal and frequently repeated to only be about audio.


    I believe these debates are about religion and before you conclude that I’ve lost my mind, consider the following:


    Many claim they have experienced God or have witnessed miracles with little or no evidence. The debates concerning those claims are often very intense and personal. Challenges commonly include: Where’s your evidence? Where’s your data? Only because you want to believe do you believe.

     

    Sound familiar?


    This is why I believe the challengers care so much. Allowing audiophiles to post their subjective conclusions without proof brings them one step closer to accepting those who relate their religious experiences without proof. For them, science is god and a subjective conclusion upends their god and belief system. They fight hard so that doesn’t happen.


    This is audio folks. Whether I think I hear something or not isn’t that important. If my audio assessment matters that much to you, I’m guessing you’re anti-religion and/or anti-God. That’s fine. But that explains why something as innocuous as describing the sound of someone’s ethernet cable could elicit such strong and often highly inappropriate comments.


    I’m old enough to remember this hobby when people would meet at audio stores to just listen and schmooze. We’ve lost too much of that sense of camaraderie. We may differ on what we like, but we all care about how we experience music.


    Whether I’m right or wrong about any of the above, would it hurt to return to the times when people’s disagreements about audio were friendly? Can we stop assailing the reputations of the people who rely on this industry to care for their families and employees? Can we respect the opinions of those who differ with us by not trying to shut them down with ridicule?


    It’s not about “religion”. It’s just about audio.

     

    - Joel Alperson




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    4 minutes ago, tmtomh said:

    But it's rather rich that you are calling out "objectivists" for rudely mocking and dismissing others when you seem to have an irresistible compulsion to call someone who does measurements "His Majesty" over and over again and refer to "graphs and all" in a sarcastic, dismissive manner that suggests you cannot tolerate or respect those who find value in measurement


    ‘I wrote nothing to suggest such a harsh conclusion you seem to have arrived at me. I was not rude, I was not mocking anyone, and I don’t have any “irresistible compulsion” on anyone. I don’t have sarcastic, dismissive manners. I simply laid out what I have seen happening in audio forums over and over again. To be clear, I am not accusing you on doing this. Don’t get tasty

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    1 minute ago, tmtomh said:

     

    First off, I do understand you're not accusing me of that bad behavior (and I appreciate you saying so).

     

    I am not trying to be harsh towards you, and I hope we can avoid getting sidetracked on issues of rhetoric and tone - but I have to say that calling a certain person with a measurement-based web site "His Majesty" over and over again is indeed sarcastic and dismissive.


    ‘It’s a figure of speech. Personification of Authority. In the context of the superior entity with special skills and possession of superior, precision measuring tools. Nobody in particular. Why do you feel so strongly about my use of “Majesty” in this context?

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    5 hours ago, thyname said:


    ‘Only to those I mentioned. Not to all objectivists. My post was especially targeted to those who don’t even own an audio system, or don’t even listen to music.

    Do people like that exist ?!

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    6 hours ago, crenca said:

    For magic pixie dust   

    Must be awesome, the best ever.  Where can I get some, and next day delivery of course...

    seriously tho’ thanks for posting your system which makes for interesting reading.  

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    Just now, mourip said:

    The only cure is to listen to more music and stop reading forums.

     

    You are absolutely right. Especially when said forums are flooded with...

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    @thyname

     

    This isn't intended to be a dig but why do you start many of your posts with a single quote mark? 

     

    The obsessive side of my personality has to ask.

     

    13 hours ago, thyname said:


    ‘I thought so. You proved my point. 

     

     

    12 hours ago, thyname said:


    ‘My HD800 were SDR modified (superDupont Resonator). They were my go-to headphones until I got Utopia. Street price on Utopia is way lower than MSRP. I remember I paid something like $2,500 or $2,600 all in a few years ago, brand new.

     

     

    10 hours ago, thyname said:


    ‘I surely hope you are right, although I doubt it. What is your understanding of what he said? 

     

     

    9 hours ago, thyname said:


    ‘I wrote nothing to suggest such a harsh conclusion you seem to have arrived at me. I was not rude, I was not mocking anyone, and I don’t have any “irresistible compulsion” on anyone. I don’t have sarcastic, dismissive manners. I simply laid out what I have seen happening in audio forums over and over again. To be clear, I am not accusing you on doing this. Don’t get tasty

     

    9 hours ago, thyname said:


    ‘It’s a figure of speech. Personification of Authority. In the context of the superior entity with special skills and possession of superior, precision measuring tools. Nobody in particular. Why do you feel so strongly about my use of “Majesty” in this context?

     

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    8 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

    This isn't intended to be a dig but why do you start many of your posts with a single quote mark?

     

    For some reason, whenever I start typing in my iPad, the auto-correct inserts that quote mark upfront. Only in my iPad. Too laze at times to go back and delete it, and it's annoying, as it does it again, even after I delete it, so I have to try a few times. I just gave up dealing with it. Hopefully this satisfies your curiosity

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    1 minute ago, thyname said:

     

    For some reason, whenever I start typing in my iPad, the auto-correct inserts that quote mark upfront. Only in my iPad. Too laze at times to go back and delete it, and it's annoying, as it does it again, even after I delete it, so I have to try a few times. I just gave up dealing with it. Hopefully this satisfies your curiosity

     

    Thanks! The mystery has been solved.

     

    I wonder if turning off Auto-Correction and/or Smart Punctuation in Settings->General->Keyboard would help.

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    6 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

     

    Thanks! The mystery has been solved.

     

    I wonder if turning off Auto-Correction and/or Smart Punctuation in Settings->General->Keyboard would help.

     

    I appreciate the suggestion, but the auto correct feature is very useful in many circumstances. I will not turn it off just for writing in some forums. It does not bother me too much. I apologize for bothering you with this. You can simply ignore my posts

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