JPLAY for iOS

[stefano_mbp]

11 minutes ago, Apollo said:

I have no gapless issues using HQPlayer client.

That’s because using HQP Client you’re not using upnp.

12 minutes ago, Apollo said:

I do keep having very short 'gapless' interrupts , with  Jplay for IOS/HQplayer

I’ve solved all gapless little issues using the environment variables Jussi pointed me to:

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HQPLAYER_RESET_SDM=0

HQPLAYER_STREAM_FREEWHEEL=1

HQPLAYER_BUFFER_TIME=5000

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 HQPLAYER_BUFFER_TIME is expressed in milliseconds and must be a multiple of 100

To use them you need to edit /etc/default/hqplayerd file.

You can use nano editor for this, be sure to work with root rights, to do this follow these commands (if you are in a HQP embedded ssh session):

 

su root

nano /etc/default/hqplayerd

be aware that the first time you edit the file it doesn’t exist, so you’ll not find it, it will be created by nano.

Restart HQPlayer embedded after editing the file.

You can read more on these variables in this thread

 

 

 

 

 

[stefano_mbp]

27 minutes ago, Apollo said:

I redownloaded the album couple of times from Qobuz, did not help either.

That could be that the damage is on Qobuz side, try converting the files to flac, or downloading them as flac.

[Apollo]

6 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

That could be that the damage is on Qobuz side, try converting the files to flac, or downloading them as flac.

Seems logical, but why is it the only player that has issues with this album?

[stefano_mbp]

1 hour ago, Apollo said:

Seems logical, but why is it the only player that has issues with this album?

perhaps because Minimserver uses the UPNP protocol contrary to other players that read the file/s directly from the file system.
The UPNP transmission is very similar to that used by streaming services, in fact an http address is used which is transmitted to the renderer which then requests it from the server

[Cebolla]

2 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

perhaps because Minimserver uses the UPNP protocol contrary to other players that read the file/s directly from the file system.
The UPNP transmission is very similar to that used by streaming services, in fact an http address is used which is transmitted to the renderer which then requests it from the server

 

Strictly speaking there is no UPnP communication between UPnP media servers (such as Minimserver) and UPnP renderers, ie, it is all HTTP streaming ('transmission') rather than any such UPnP 'transmission'.

 

The communication for streaming between UPnP media server and UPnP renderer is not just very similar to that used by online streaming services, it is the same - with the UPnP media server being the HTTP server and the UPnP renderer being the HTTP client. Hence the reason why UPnP renderers are able to stream music file tracks directly from TIDAL's & Qobuz's online servers.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Hi Guys, my review of JPLAY for iOS and iPadOS is up. Please go easy on me, it wasn't written for the experts in this thread :~)

 

 

[Marcin_gps]

I created a topic where you can post which devices work / don't work with the JPLAY app.

 

 

[Apollo]

On 8/14/2023 at 4:23 PM, stefano_mbp said:

It’s not a Minimserver “issue” but a choice in JPlay, Minimserver can read Artist and AlbumArtist (note the tag name whiteout blanks) but unfortunately JPlay does fill Artists with Artist tag metadata.

This is true in My Library and Local Network Artists view

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AlbumArtist tag is shown only in album details view

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A workaround could be to use the Artist.merge property in Minimserver tagValue option that should be as follow:

Artist.merge={AlbumArtist}

in this way Artist and AlbumArtist will be merged in the Artist tag.

To use this property the paid Minimserver is needed.

 

 

With the help of simoncn on the minimserver forum, I have finally been able to deal with my major issue with Jplay for Ios, which was the use of AlbumArtist instead of Artist.

 

In fact the workaround is to use Artist.replace={AlbumArtist}   (instead of Artist.merge)

 

Now I have about 2000 artists less to scroll through, and thins start to become manageable again.

 

At least I can now restart evaluating Jplay for Ios in a positive mindset.

 

Dirk

 

 

[Fourlegs]

There has been a bit of chat on the Antipodes users community forum about getting JPLAY to work with Squeeze server (LMS) and Squeeze Player by using a UPnP/DLNA plug in for Squeeze. Some have got this to work but say the plug in is limited to 16 bit. I personally haven't got it to work at all.

Has anyone any experience of getting this to work or another way of using JPLAY to control Squeeze because I would be VERY interested if JPLAY could be made to work with Squeeze because of the very much better (in my opinion) sound quality of Squeeze compared to MinimSever and MPN player (which does however run faultlessly on my Antipodes Oladra controlled by JPLAY on my iPad).

 

I attach screen shots from JPLAY trying to be used with LMS server and Squeeze player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mike Rubin]

I haven't tried this for awhile because of the 16 bit limitation, but, when I had the LMS DLNA server plug-in operational, I recall that JPlay picked it up as a server on my pick list and would import the library. Unfortunately, I have so many hires files that  it wasn't long before I switched back to minimserver and JRiver as servers. (Those both have issues, as well, but they are unrelated to file format.)

[Cebolla]

21 hours ago, Fourlegs said:

There has been a bit of chat on the Antipodes users community forum about getting JPLAY to work with Squeeze server (LMS) and Squeeze Player by using a UPnP/DLNA plug in for Squeeze. Some have got this to work but say the plug in is limited to 16 bit. I personally haven't got it to work at all.

Has anyone any experience of getting this to work or another way of using JPLAY to control Squeeze because I would be VERY interested if JPLAY could be made to work with Squeeze because of the very much better (in my opinion) sound quality of Squeeze compared to MinimSever and MPN player (which does however run faultlessly on my Antipodes Oladra controlled by JPLAY on my iPad).

 

Unlike the similarly named (but not for same purpose) UPnP/DLNA Bridge LMS plugin, the old UPnP/DLNA Media Interface LMS plugin has not been supported for years, so you're likely to encounter bugs with it, unfortunately. Doubly so, as you appear to be using its (rarely used) UPnP/DLNA renderer emulation function for your Oladra's Squeezelite player, so not just its (better known) UPnP/DLNA media server function for the Logitech Media Server.

 

You'll probably get the UPnP/DLNA Media Interface plugin to work much better with an actual UPnP/DLNA renderer, so using the Oladra's MPD (via upmpdcli) player instead of its Squeezelite player - though this is probably moot, given your opinion of Squeezelite's audio quality superiority over MPD. 

 

 

Can you not simply use LMS's built-in Squeeze player controller (via any web browser app) on your iPad, instead of JPLAY?

You should get a pretty decent UI via the popular & very well maintained Material Skin LMS plugin and the Music & Artist Information LMS plugin. 

[Fourlegs]

1 hour ago, Cebolla said:

 

Unlike the similarly named (but not for same purpose) UPnP/DLNA Bridge LMS plugin, the old UPnP/DLNA Media Interface LMS plugin has not been supported for years, so you're likely to encounter bugs with it, unfortunately. Doubly so, as you appear to be using its (rarely used) UPnP/DLNA renderer emulation function for your Oladra's Squeezelite player, so not just its (better known) UPnP/DLNA media server function for the Logitech Media Server.

 

You'll probably get the UPnP/DLNA Media Interface plugin to work much better with an actual UPnP/DLNA renderer, so using the Oladra's MPD (via upmpdcli) player instead of its Squeezelite player - though this is probably moot, given your opinion of Squeezelite's audio quality superiority over MPD. 

 

 

Can you not simply use LMS's built-in Squeeze player controller (via any web browser app) on your iPad, instead of JPLAY?

You should get a pretty decent UI via the popular & very well maintained Material Skin LMS plugin and the Music & Artist Information LMS plugin. 

 

 Thanks for your time taken to reply. It is appreciated.

 

Indeed I am too heavily bought in to the superior (to my ears) sound of Squeeze compared to MPD that for the time being I will cancel my subscription to JPLAY and revert to using Material and iPeng with the LMS server and Squeeze player on my Oladra.

[feelingears]

Just posting to say thanks for this context - LMS seems to stand the sound quality test of time, for those who care to fuss about such matters. I wish I could get JPlay to play better but these posts seem to suggest it's fundamentally UPnP and Minimserver. I'm referring to file access more than sound quality, but my experience with LMS a while back suggested it was the best sounding of the various servers I auditioned at the time (I don't recall all of them now).

[matthias]

Did someone try JPLAY for iOS as player for Qobuz or Tidal on M CPU Macs with direct USB output to DAC?

 

IMO, a SQ comparison to Audirvana Studio would be very interesting.

 

Matt

[agisthos]

Interesting you find LMS to be the best sounding server. On my QNAP NAS I compared Twonky, Serviio, AssetUPNP and MinimServer.

Twonky was the worst, and MinimServer the best.

But you say LMS is even better than MinimServer?

[Fourlegs]

2 hours ago, agisthos said:

But you say LMS is even better than MinimServer?

To my ears, yes. 

[stefano_mbp]

2 hours ago, agisthos said:

But you say LMS is even better than MinimServer?

@Fourlegs MinimServer is a UPNP mediaserver and not a player, therefore it doesn’t make sense to compare it to LMS, maybe you could say that LMS is better than MPD that is the actual player when using any UPNP mediaserver … but not only … as MPD is used by, for example, Volumio and moOde too.

FYI you can use Minimserver with LMS configuring the Remote Music Libraries plugin, in this way you can have the best of both worlds: the best library manager (Minimserver) and the best player (LMS/Squeezelite)

[agisthos]

So Logitechmediaserver (LMS) is not a server its a player? And cannot be compared to Minimserver because that's not a player?

 

The one I could not compare to the others was Linn's Kazoo media server, could not get it working on the QNAP. Although I may have another go later. JPlay is the best sounding control app but it also helps to use the best sounding media server software. They do vary in sound quality just like the app.

[stefano_mbp]

1 hour ago, agisthos said:

So Logitechmediaserver (LMS) is not a server its a player? And cannot be compared to Minimserver because that's not a player?

LMS is a server and a player (LMS is the server and Squeezelite is the player) but Minimserver is a server only and doesn’t have a player

1 hour ago, agisthos said:

The one I could not compare to the others was Linn's Kazoo media server, could not get it working on the QNAP

Linn Kazoo mediaserver is Windows/Mac only and cannot run on Linux (Qnap OS is a customized Linux)

[agisthos]

1 hour ago, stefano_mbp said:

Linn Kazoo mediaserver is Windows/Mac only and cannot run on Linux (Qnap OS is a customized Linux)

 

Not correct, there is an official release for it on the Qnap app store as well as on Linn's site. Maybe its fairly new to the QNAP world.

[stefano_mbp]

9 minutes ago, agisthos said:

there is an official release for it on the Qnap app store

You’re right, buried at the very bottom of the page … anyway Kazoo is really very old and it isn’t one of the best mediaserver available, Minimserver is the one to go

[kennyb123]

On 10/29/2023 at 12:14 AM, stefano_mbp said:

YI you can use Minimserver with LMS configuring the Remote Music Libraries plugin, in this way you can have the best of both worlds: the best library manager (Minimserver) and the best player (LMS/Squeezelite)

Like @Fourlegs, I have a strong preference for the sound quality of LMS/Squeezelite over MinimServer/MPD/JPlay.  Usability-wise I also much prefer LMS/Squeeze.  
 

I tried to like MinimServer/MPD/JPlay on an Antipodes K50, but it was so smeared relative to LMS/Squeezelite that I ultimately concluded that I couldn’t stand to listen to it.  The usability frustrated me too.  Adding music with LMS requires me only to initiate one scan in just three taps.  Once that scan is completed, every single device that I want to use is up to date.  I can pick up a Mac or a PC or an iPad or an iPhone and everything is aligned across them without any additional work on my part.  Even the currently playing track and playback queue align across devices.  Roon does this and so does LMS/Squeeze so I think that makes them the two best library managers (though Roon is the top dog IMHO because of how well it handles metadata tagging).
 

The reason I gave MinimServer/MPD/JPlay a go was because Squeeze stopped working for me on the K50 (long story).  I can’t tell you how happy I was to get it working again.  Far better sound quality plus a user experience that I actually find delightful.  I understand that others may have the opposite opinion.  It’s nice to have options.

[Datka]

Just wanted to share how much I enjoy this application. 
I have fidata server and Sonore opticalrendu .

this combines both sources together, looks awesome and runs faster than native fidata app. 
 

I’m thinking to try running it off iPad and using iPad Ethernet dongle to avoid WiFi . 
im also finding that Sonore is able to cache song from qoubos , 

Anybody knows the size of the cache for opticalrendu ? I’m trying to understand how it’s able to continue playback after network is unplugged from it . 

[Marcin_gps]

New JPLAY iOS App Update Brings TIDAL MAX Integration!

 

 

 

Hey everyone,

 

I'm super excited to share some great news for all JPLAY iOS app users out there! The latest JPLAY app update (version 1.0.14) has just rolled out, and it's a game-changer – we now have TIDAL MAX integration!

 

For those who are keen on high-fidelity audio, TIDAL MAX is a real treat. It delivers audio quality up to 24-bit, 192 kHz, which is a step up even from TIDAL Master.

 

If you're looking to take your music experience to the next level, make sure to update your JPLAY app to the latest version. It's available now in the App Store for devices running iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS (M1 CPU or later).

 

Here’s the link to get it: https://apps.apple.com/pl/app/jplay/id1608773457

 

Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this update!

 

Cheers!

Marcin

[Easterman]

Hi Marcin,

any albums you can recommend for trying out Max?, all I see is the M logo, and Masters which seem to be mqa 

All the best