JPLAY for iOS

[111MilesToGo]

22 minutes ago, dericchan1 said:

i am also using upmpdcli and mpd on a raspberry pi 4, is there some kind buffer settings in mpd or upmpdcli that needs to be made then?

upmpdcli is as it comes out-of-the-box. For my mpd settings I‘d like to defer that til Monday, sorry.

[dericchan1]

7 minutes ago, 111MilesToGo said:

upmpdcli is as it comes out-of-the-box. For my mpd settings I‘d like to defer that til Monday, sorry.

Thanks for that. I mean I just wonder if there are specific settings related to buffering or cache that needs to be set in mpd to avoid this issue...

 

Cheers

 

Deric

[Marcin_gps]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:00 PM, 111MilesToGo said:

I‘d like to say today that I‘m more and more happy with JPLAY for iOS. I get my streaming services, and - finally - I got my local library back by accessing it the way I want (i.e. including folder view without that fanatic "no no never" point of view taken by "you know who" until very recently …).

 

@Marcin_gps, I would like to repeat my feature request: Please think about providing a true Stop button on the Now Playing screen in addition to the Pause button. Maybe an additional button, maybe give the Pause button two roles as Pause via normal tap and Stop via long-press or double-tap, whatever is best in line with common iOS GUI practices.

 

My reason behind this is that I use JPLAY to also control an MPD player on my Linux computer. Leaving MPD paused at the end of a listening session looks a bit awkward to me.

I will discuss it with my partner, thanks. 

 

Best regards,
Marcin
 

[AudioDoctor]

Believe it or not, JPLAY is playing right now... 

 

When this song ends it will; either repeat it, or stop, which will continue until I manually forward it to the next song. If it were possible to downgrade to the previous version, I would. The latest version is a mess.

 

 

[Marcin_gps]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:00 PM, 111MilesToGo said:

I‘d like to say today that I‘m more and more happy with JPLAY for iOS. I get my streaming services, and - finally - I got my local library back by accessing it the way I want (i.e. including folder view without that fanatic "no no never" point of view taken by "you know who" until very recently …).

 

@Marcin_gps, I would like to repeat my feature request: Please think about providing a true Stop button on the Now Playing screen in addition to the Pause button. Maybe an additional button, maybe give the Pause button two roles as Pause via normal tap and Stop via long-press or double-tap, whatever is best in line with common iOS GUI practices.

 

My reason behind this is that I use JPLAY to also control an MPD player on my Linux computer. Leaving MPD paused at the end of a listening session looks a bit awkward to me.

 We implemented a stop function by long pressing pause button. It will be available in the next build.

 

13 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

Believe it or not, JPLAY is playing right now... 

 

When this song ends it will; either repeat it, or stop, which will continue until I manually forward it to the next song. If it were possible to downgrade to the previous version, I would. The latest version is a mess.

 

 

 

Hmm, there were no changes related to playback. I'd look at the player (renderer) configuration. 

 

If you'd  like, you may send me a log file (enable logs in the app's settings, reproduce the issue and send me the log file)

 

Best regards,
Marcin
 

[AudioDoctor]

4 hours ago, Marcin_gps said:

 We implemented a stop function by long pressing pause button. It will be available in the next build.

 

 

Hmm, there were no changes related to playback. I'd look at the player (renderer) configuration. 

 

If you'd  like, you may send me a log file (enable logs in the app's settings, reproduce the issue and send me the log file)

 

Best regards,
Marcin
 

 

I will send a log after reproducing the issue as I have figured out exactly how to do so.

 

Thanks Marcin.

[bbosler]

No, I haven't read this whole thread but I have a question,

 

I have Qobuz on my Windows PC playing via HDMI into my processor.  I would like to use an app on a tablet to control it so I thought JPlay would do that since I can load it on my iPAD and it sees my Qobuz library, but all it will do is AirPlay to my processor. Maybe I'm misunderstanding and trying to get it to do something it isn't capable of?

 

If I'm confused about JPlay's capabilities. is there an app that can control Qobuz on my PC so I can get the high resolution files instead of AirPlay?

 

thanks

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, bbosler said:

No, I haven't read this whole thread but I have a question,

 

I have Qobuz on my Windows PC playing via HDMI into my processor.  I would like to use an app on a tablet to control it so I thought JPlay would do that since I can load it on my iPAD and it sees my Qobuz library, but all it will do is AirPlay to my processor. Maybe I'm misunderstanding and trying to get it to do something it isn't capable of?

 

If I'm confused about JPlay's capabilities. is there an app that can control Qobuz on my PC so I can get the high resolution files instead of AirPlay?

 

thanks

 

Does your processor support UPnP or DLNA? That’s the preferred way to use JPLAY. 

[bbosler]

6 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Does your processor support UPnP or DLNA? That’s the preferred way to use JPLAY. 

I recently changed from the Trinnov to a Marantz AV10. (put $7K in my pocket and still have a 15.4 system)

Want to move away from Roon and just play Qobuz and my local files.

The AV10  says it is DLNA compatible so I'll try it... OH MY !!!

 

JPlay connects as a HEOS device and I'm streaming Coltrane at 24/192 from Qobuz on  my iPad to the AVR,,, very cool

 

just need to configure the PC with all my local files so JPLay can find it and I should be in business

 

THANKS !!!

[feelingears]

On 2/26/2024 at 10:27 PM, One and a half said:

I found, consistently, native Jriver uPNP SQ about less than average, 3/5 compared with Audirvana, Jplay/Minimserver. Uninstalled JPLAY a few months ago, used Audirvana Studio over Origin to listen to Qobuz for discovery, but local file searching, browsing on Studio is poor compared with Origin. Just yesterday re-installed JPlay / Minimserver, as the main go to, for me, a lot of the bugs from JPLAY are gone now and it's easy to slide into JPLAY.

Still use Jriver controlled by a phone to a Bluetooth speaker in the bathroom, works well that way, not as resolving, therefore covers errors with aplomb 😀

I have only done casual comparisons because I’m lazy in this regard (much more methodical with easy tests of things like cables), but I think I find LMS sound better than Minimserver. 

 

This impression goes back to when I had a microRendu and now with a Volumio Rivo. JPlay with LMS is better than Volumio too. 
 

I use LMS on my Synology and JPlay is also functionally more stable with that than Minimserver. Someone posted about time scrubber being out of sync…I feel like I get this with UPnP all the time (and hate it). Is LMS different than UPnP? 
 

And finally, is there some network behavior that might influence sound quality? Less activity perhaps?

 

I just know that in the long run, I find my system emotionally engaging and something I want to listen to when things are working. I can tell when I make a change and I lose interest in sitting down for dedicated listening. JPlay with LMS is engaging. Other set ups have not resulted in engagement for me. 
 

Anyway, just suggesting that LMS may be worth trying for sound quality - many thanks to the people keeping LMS alive and reporting their impressions vs other protocols (if that is the correct term).

 

 

[stefano_mbp]

4 hours ago, feelingears said:

but I think I find LMS sound better than Minimserver.

Unfortunately Minimserver doesn’t play … it is just a upnp media server, how can you say that Minimserver does or doesn’t sound better?

4 hours ago, feelingears said:

This impression goes back to when I had a microRendu and now with a Volumio Rivo. JPlay with LMS is better than Volumio too. 

Then the actual player was in MPD in the microRendu, so likely the issue was in microRendu MPD … in order to use JPlay with LMS you must have activated the UPNP server plugin in LMS, therefore you’re back to a UPNP setup.

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4 hours ago, feelingears said:

I use LMS on my Synology and JPlay is also functionally more stable with that than Minimserver

Which is the actual player you’re using? I your dac directly connected to your NAS?

Long time Minimserver and LMS user here and I find Minimserver rock solid (more than 15 years on Minimserver managing a 8TB library without a single issue) while recently LMS (since 8.4.0) has some critical bugs … it was fine up to 8.3.1.

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[Fourlegs]

27 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

5 hours ago, feelingears said:

but I think I find LMS sound better than Minimserver.

Unfortunately Minimserver doesn’t play … it is just a upnp media server, how can you say that Minimserver does or doesn’t sound better?

5 hours ago, feelingears said:

This impression goes back to when I had a microRendu and now with a Volumio Rivo. JPlay with LMS is better than Volumio too. 

Then the actual player was in MPD in the microRendu, so likely the issue was in microRendu MPD … in order to use JPlay with LMS you must have activated the UPNP server plugin in LMS, therefore you’re back to a UPNP setup.

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5 hours ago, feelingears said:

I use LMS on my Synology and JPlay is also functionally more stable with that than Minimserver

Which is the actual player you’re using? I your dac directly connected to your NAS?

Long time Minimserver and LMS user here and I find Minimserver rock solid (more than 15 years on Minimserver managing a 8TB library without a single issue) while recently LMS (since 8.4.0) has some critical bugs … it was fine up to 8.3.1.

 

Due to a recent upgrade to AMS 5.0 on the Antipodes streamer/servers we can now use JPLAY with LMS on the server and MPD on the player. I am happily listening now to Led Zep IV with this configuration using the JPLAY app as a controller.
 

[stefano_mbp]

1 minute ago, Fourlegs said:

we can now use JPLAY with LMS on the server and MPD on the player

That’s possible only with UPNP mediaserver plugin activated on LMS … check which plugins are active in you LMS … should be this one

 

[stefano_mbp]

@Fourlegs … and in your screenshot it seems you’re using LMS as UPNP renderer too (only possible with the same plugin activated ) … quite “recursive” setup:

LMS (UPNP mediaserver) -> JPlay -> LMS (UPNP renderer) ->LMS  UPNP bridge plugin -> MPD

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… likely you have activated the UPNP/DLNA bridge LMS plugin too in order to use an external MPD/UPNP player.

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It seems a very complex configuration that can be easily simplified using just Minimserver and the MPD renderer

Minimserver -> JPlay -> MPD

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In this complex configuration LMS is not playing at all (MPD is actually playing) … just like the much more simple configuration possible using Minimserver only.

I’m wondering which could be the benefit using such a configuration 

[Fourlegs]

9 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

It seems a very complex configuration that can be easily simplified using just Minimserver and the MPD renderer

Minimserver -> JPlay -> MPD

I am not a fan of the sound of MinimServer + MPD and was therefore interested to try LMS + MPD (I show below screenshots of this in the Antipodes set up. I have not intentionally invoked the ‘recursive’ set up. 

[stefano_mbp]

@Fourlegs those screenshots mask the (recursive) configuration that I described … It seems just a hard technical exercise but I really doubt it can play better than the simpler one … after all, as I wrote, LMS is not playing at all, it is just:

1. a upnp mediaserver
2. a upnp renderer
3. a upnp bridge to MPD that is the actual player

[Fourlegs]

@stefano_mbp Thanks. I guess the only way to decide is for me to listen and compare to LMS + Squeezelite (obviously that is without JPLAY app). For the moment and unless anything changes I have already decided against MinimServer + MPD on sound quality grounds (at least on my Antipodes Oladra, it may be different on other devices).

[stefano_mbp]

@Marcin_gps I realized just now that the MiniPlayer volume control doesn’t have any effect while the app volume control does … in the screenshot the volume is set to 0 but it doesn’t reflect into the app

(running beta 1.0.18 (94) on iPad 5gen iPadOS 16.7.7)

 

[Marcin_gps]

23 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

@Marcin_gps I realized just now that the MiniPlayer volume control doesn’t have any effect while the app volume control does … in the screenshot the volume is set to 0 but it doesn’t reflect into the app

(running beta 1.0.18 (94) on iPad 5gen iPadOS 16.7.7)

 

Thank you for the information. I'll investigate. Although I think from the lock screen it's not possible to adjust volume. 

 

Best regards,
Marcin
 

[juwa]

I really like using Jplay for IOS and think the further development of the program is very good. Streaming from Tidal, Qobuz and the local library worked very well for me.

 

I'm still looking for a solution to using InternetRadio. My attempts to integrate MinimStreamer for this feature were also unsuccessful. Will there be a solution for using InternetRadio or will this function not be available in the future? It would be helpful if the URL for InternetRadio could be entered as a first step.

 

Unfortunately, the very positive test results of JPlay for IOS that are now available did not take this function into account.

[dericchan1]

@Marcin_gps

 

can you please advise what this “update time” settings does and does it impact any sound quality setting lower vs higher number?

 

thanks

[The Computer Audiophile]

8 minutes ago, dericchan1 said:

@Marcin_gps

 

can you please advise what this “update time” settings does and does it impact any sound quality setting lower vs higher number?

 

thanks

I talked about it here, and showed video of the differences. 
 

 

[dericchan1]

9 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I talked about it here, and shows video of the differences. 
 

 

So apparently the higher the number the more reduction of network traffic? 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, dericchan1 said:

So apparently the higher the number the more reduction of network traffic? 

Correct. 

[dericchan1]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

Correct. 

Thanks Chris. I have now set it from 10 to 1000, not sure if I can really note a difference.

 

but I guess that’s just me…