MQA is Vaporware

[Lee Scoggins]

3 hours ago, firedog said:

Don't agree with this at all. If MQA is what it is claimed, then even the ME2 should be more than good enough to reveal it. The Brooklyn is a good DAC. At least one feature he refers to is an optional add-on. It's way more than good enough for the purpose. 

Sorry, but that quote is real audiophile snobbery.

 

I found that part odd too as the Brooklyn is a very good DAC.  Mehow also is as good a digital designer as Charlie was, if not better.

[Lee Scoggins]

3 minutes ago, mansr said:

That was funny. Got any more jokes?

 

I’m here all week. Try the veal.

[mansr]

1 minute ago, Lee Scoggins said:

I’m here all week. Try the veal.

That wasn't funny. Don't quit your day job (as MQA shill).

 

On second thought, do.

[Fair Hedon]

9 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

I found that part odd too as the Brooklyn is a very good DAC.  Mehow also is as good a digital designer as Charlie was, if not better.

You are a sick puppy.

[Rt66indierock]

4 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

I'm thinking two, as he still keeps a toe in the water over here.  I'm beginning to see that the thread over on Daddy's forum was meant originally as a counterbalance to this thread.  I have a good friend who's a dealer of high end gear who has lots of contacts at various manufacturers.  This very thread is a huge source of agita for some of them, and most want to see it gone or at least fall off the front page of the general section.

 

Have you noticed that no gorts have intervened in that thread?  Only Daddy himself.  I've never seen a thread get such a white glove treatment.  I think Hoffman is between a rock and a hard place.  He wants to be seen as friendly to industry, but that thread does no favors for MQA.  It's only Scoggins, though another old timer, "Mal", tried feebly to defend/support Scoggins with a few posts and left.  Everyone else is skeptical of Scoggin's motives and loyalties.  Daddy sticks with his mantra, "MQA, don't care".

 

 

 

This thread is supposed to apply pressure on manufacturers who support MQA and also apply pressure to those who don't support MQA but won't speak up. I'd say it is working.

 

Steve Hoffman is between a rock and hard place he just hasn't realized that the hard place is moving closer to the rock.

[FredericV]

 

1 hour ago, Fair Hedon said:

Hansen really disgraced himself with some very personal attacks on Stuart. Friends say he was in a great deal of pain near the end of his life but still. Several prominent audio leaders have expressed to me that they lost a good bit of respect for the man"

 

Lee Scoggins..

 

Mr. Scoggins YOU are a DISGRACE.

 

At least he discovered MQA defines "key opinion makers":
 

 

It's actually in MQA's year report:

 

Key opinion makers / lobbyists are real in other domains, so why would MQA not use the same tactics in trying to influence the opinion of the hifi industry. Just buy hired guns.

I live 30 minutes from Brussels. Brussels is an interesting case for hired guns / shills / key opinion makers / lobbyists: in 2016, Brussels had 91251 lobbyists, 9860 lobby organizations, and you can find a job as a lobbyist in Brussels, sorted by best paying employer:

https://euobserver.com/secret-ue/117736
https://transparency.eu/lobbyistsinbrussels/
https://nl.glassdoor.be/Vacature/brussels-lobbyist-vacatures-SRCH_IL.0,8_IC2302160_KO9,17.htm?countryRedirect=true

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
 

[opus101]

2 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

I’m here all week.

 

Will there be an update on your research before its out?

[Fluffytime]

2 hours ago, Fair Hedon said:

Hansen really disgraced himself with some very personal attacks on Stuart. Friends say he was in a great deal of pain near the end of his life but still. Several prominent audio leaders have expressed to me that they lost a good bit of respect for the man"

 

Lee Scoggins..

 

Mr. Scoggins YOU are a DISGRACE.

 

Just logged on to post this, but you beat me to it.

 

This really shows what kind of person Lee Scoggins is.

[Fair Hedon]

Just now, Fluffytime said:

 

Just logged on to post this, but you beat me to it.

 

This really shows what kind of person Lee Scoggins is.

Yes, low class. Despicable to post such rubbish about a man recently deceased, and a man who pushed to art high end audio forward and truly cared. Scoggins was not even fit to clean his toilets.

[Fluffytime]

3 minutes ago, Fair Hedon said:

Yes, low class. Despicable to post such rubbish about a man recently deceased, and a man who pushed to art high end audio forward and truly cared. Scoggins was not even fit to clean his toilets.

 

I'd say that he should be ashamed of himself, but clearly the man has no shame at all.

 

This is just ugly.

[Fair Hedon]

Just now, Fluffytime said:

 

I'd say that he should be ashamed of himself, but clearly the man has no shame.

 

This is just ugly.

Ugly indeed.

[ricko01]

36 minutes ago, Fair Hedon said:

Yes, low class. Despicable to post such rubbish about a man recently deceased, and a man who pushed to art high end audio forward and truly cared. Scoggins was not even fit to clean his toilets.

 

Scoggins was not even fit to clean lick his toilets.

 

FTFY

[The Computer Audiophile]

OK guys - We're getting a bit personal here. Please address what was said rather than him personally.

[Indydan]

4 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

I found that part odd too as the Brooklyn is a very good DAC.  Mehow also is as good a digital designer as Charlie was, if not better.

 

If you're saying the Brooklyn is as good or better than the Ayre QB9 DSD, or even the Codex, you just lost all credibility (assuming you had any). 

 

And Charles Hansen said things about Bob Stuart that unless proven otherwise, were true. If Stuart looks douchey, it is because of his actions (lying about opamps in his gear, trying to steal a design from John Curl). Don't shoot the messenger Hansen. 

 

I have heard good stories from people in the business about Charles Hansen. I won't get preachy about it, but he was known for caring about his employees and conducting business in a very ethical manner. 

 

To make negative comments about him like you have, is just classless. 

[Don Hills]

Looks like Lee has taken his ball and gone home over on SH?

[opus101]

I was browsing that thread and hit 'Next' and got the message 'You must be logged in to do that'. Then looking at the list of threads in that section, I can no longer see Lee's thread. Has it been deleted or only available to signed up members?

[Indydan]

5 minutes ago, opus101 said:

I was browsing that thread and hit 'Next' and got the message 'You must be logged in to do that'. Then looking at the list of threads in that section, I can no longer see Lee's thread. Has it been deleted or only available to signed up members?

 

I am a member and cannot access the thread. The posts I made are also erased. It seems the thread has been deleted. 

 

Did Hoffman delete it because there was to much arguing? Or was he asked to delete it by an MQA operative, to avoid bad publicity?

[Fluffytime]

Yep, it's been deleted. I was waiting for it.

 

That's what happens over on Daddy Hoofmans vanity forum. Question the industry, and you get spanked.

 

Hoofman is as big of a shill as Lee. They're the perfect couple.

[Fluffytime]

Come to think of it, there was actually another MQA thread over there that got deleted about a month back.

 

So, yeah.

 

 

[jazzy1]

I guess Mr Scoggins will now have more time for his "research".

[jazzy1]

16 minutes ago, Indydan said:

 

I am a member and cannot access the thread. The posts I made are also erased. It seems the thread has been deleted. 

 

Did Hoffman delete it because there was to much arguing? Or was he asked to delete it by an MQA operative, to avoid bad publicity?

 

Sometimes they do resurrect threads after a sanitization by mods.

 

What a shame though, if its truely deleted, after so much time and effort by many parties.

[tmtomh]

Holy moly - can't believe they nuked the entire thread! It was enormous. That sucks.

 

I'm absolutely not one of those unquestioning Hoffman acolytes. But I will say that Hoffman did post in the MQA thread saying he has no interest in MQA. And the thread didn't get nuked despite pages and pages and pages of comments disparaging not only Lee Scoggins, but also Bob Stuart.

It could be a coincidence, the the one new thing that happened today was that Lee made disparaging remarks about a deceased audio guy (I think with Ayre? Sorry, I can't remember), and that triggered a firestorm. That probably was the straw the broke the camel's back - although deleting the whole thread seems draconian to me.

[Ralf11]

wayback machine?

[Fluffytime]

Yes.

[eclectic]

Hoffman's zapping means he will be back..