vortecjr Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 I'm new to this thread and am hoping this topic wasn't previously discussed - I'm running a Synology server to a W4S DAC-2 DSDse via a PC and would love to replace the PC with your uRendu. In order to play DSD files I need something to repackage the DSD into DoP containers in order to send them on to your product. W4S tells me new firmware is in the works that will run on the uRendu. Is this true and do you have a timeframe? Also, are there other options I have overlooked that could run on the Linux based Synology? If I didn't care about DSD, could I just connect the Synology to the uRendu and play my hires FLAC files? Sorry for all the questions The microRendu needs to be connected to a router or switch and so does the NAS. When you work out the server on the NAS and the corresponding output mode on the microRendu it would be able to send DSD/DoP to your DAC. The firmware update they spoke to you about is for native DSD support only. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
HookedOnAudio Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 The microRendu needs to be connected to a router or switch and so does the NAS. When you work out the server on the NAS and the corresponding output mode on the microRendu it would be able to send DSD/DoP to your DAC. The firmware update they spoke to you about is for native DSD support only. OK, then two points I still don't understand - 1) when you say "work out the server on the NAS", what do you mean? 2) am I correct that the microRendu does the conversion of .DSF and .DFF files to DoP? I'm close to understanding but I need this clarification. Thanks! "Too Old to Rock and Roll, Too Young to Die" J. Tull Link to comment
HumanMedia Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 OK, then two points I still don't understand - 1) when you say "work out the server on the NAS", what do you mean? 2) am I correct that the microRendu does the conversion of .DSF and .DFF files to DoP? I'm close to understanding but I need this clarification. Thanks! I'm pretty sure what was meant is when you decide what server software to use on the NAS (there are multiple options) and connect and configure it properly. Also the DSD is packaged into DoP at the server end not in the microRendu. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 I'm pretty sure what was meant is when you decide what server software to use on the NAS (there are multiple options) and connect and configure it properly. Also the DSD is packaged into DoP at the server end not in the microRendu. For example: 1. DLNA. 2. Logitech Media Server. 3. Roon. 4. MinimServer. DoP encapsulation takes place in various locations...I would not worry about where. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
HookedOnAudio Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 For example: 1. DLNA. 2. Logitech Media Server. 3. Roon. 4. MinimServer. DoP encapsulation takes place in various locations...I would not worry about where. My Synology 212j runs Linux and I have been using it to just serve up files to a PC running foobar2k as the music manager. I believe the Atom processor does not have enough horsepower to run a media manager as well as supply hires files without dropouts. Am I wrong in thinking this (Synology has discontinued this model but it runs flawlessly in my current configuration). I feel this may be the wrong forum now to ask questions as to what media software people may be running on their Synology servers (but I just did . Thanks! "Too Old to Rock and Roll, Too Young to Die" J. Tull Link to comment
vortecjr Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 My Synology 212j runs Linux and I have been using it to just serve up files to a PC running foobar2k as the music manager. I believe the Atom processor does not have enough horsepower to run a media manager as well as supply hires files without dropouts. Am I wrong in thinking this (Synology has discontinued this model but it runs flawlessly in my current configuration). I feel this may be the wrong forum now to ask questions as to what media software people may be running on their Synology servers (but I just did .Thanks! I have not tried that NAS, but I see no reason why it can't function as a DLNA server. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
d_elm Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Try minumServer on NAS, install minumWatch on PC and configure minumServer to use minumStreamer module. The latter can be used to convert flac to wav. These products use little cpu or memory. Link to comment
earnmyturns Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 My Synology 212j runs Linux and I have been using it to just serve up files to a PC running foobar2k as the music manager. I believe the Atom processor does not have enough horsepower to run a media manager as well as supply hires files without dropouts. Am I wrong in thinking this (Synology has discontinued this model but it runs flawlessly in my current configuration). I feel this may be the wrong forum now to ask questions as to what media software people may be running on their Synology servers (but I just did .Thanks! The minimum setup with a Synology NAS is as follows: 1) Synology own Media Server serving DLNA; 2) microRendu set for MPD/DLNA; 3) some computer or mobile device running a UPnP control point such as Lumin, Kazoo, or BubbleUPnP; 4) router providing DHCP and other routing services to 1-3). If you are willing to mess with Java installation on the NAS, you can install Minimserver, which provides a somewhat nicer set of library browsing and tagging options than Media Server. Most recently, I moved from Minimserver+BubbleUPnP to running a dedicated server (Intel NUC with Ubuntu Linux) and Roon (I've also heard good things about this, which avoids the NUC's DYI aspect). Roon indexes my music on the NAS, and serves it to a couple of Sonore devices, controlled by Roon apps on my laptop, tablet, and phone. This costs quite a bit more, although I really like the overall quality and experience. Link to comment
Donivey Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I'm new to this world, and have a couple of questions. First, I just ordered my unendurable a little over a week ago, and wondered when it might ships. Second, I've seen no mention of whether the urendu will work with the Hegel H160 integrated amp with built-in Dac. Anyone tried this combo? I look forward to becoming a contributor to this forum. Don Ivey Link to comment
Donivey Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Sorry, not "unendurable", microrendu. Too much help. Link to comment
firedog Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I'm new to this world, and have a couple of questions. First, I just ordered my unendurable a little over a week ago, and wondered when it might ships. Second, I've seen no mention of whether the urendu will work with the Hegel H160 integrated amp with built-in Dac. Anyone tried this combo? I look forward to becoming a contributor to this forum. Don Ivey On the page for the unit at the Hegel site, it says it works with Apple and Ubuntu (Linux version) devices. The mR has a variant of Linux. So it should work. If it doesn't contact Sonore and Hegel. If Hegel has a pretty good idea about how the mR OS is setup (you find out from Sonore) they will probably be able to solve any issue you have. I asked Hegel a similar question about the HD30, and they said they will work with customers who use a Linux implementation to get their setup working. Duh...I just remembered that Sonore sells Hegel. Just write them and they can probably give you a definitive answer. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
HookedOnAudio Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The minimum setup with a Synology NAS is as follows: 1) Synology own Media Server serving DLNA; 2) microRendu set for MPD/DLNA; 3) some computer or mobile device running a UPnP control point such as Lumin, Kazoo, or BubbleUPnP; 4) router providing DHCP and other routing services to 1-3). If you are willing to mess with Java installation on the NAS, you can install Minimserver, which provides a somewhat nicer set of library browsing and tagging options than Media Server. Most recently, I moved from Minimserver+BubbleUPnP to running a dedicated server (Intel NUC with Ubuntu Linux) and Roon (I've also heard good things about this, which avoids the NUC's DYI aspect). Roon indexes my music on the NAS, and serves it to a couple of Sonore devices, controlled by Roon apps on my laptop, tablet, and phone. This costs quite a bit more, although I really like the overall quality and experience. Thank you EarnMyTurns - nice to get useful information from someone a few miles away (I'm in Los Gatos). I've been running the MediaServer since the beginning using both my Sonos and Oppo as clients. I didn't think the uRendu would be just another client. However I was (am) unsure about who does the encapsulation of DSD into DoP packets if there is no media manager like FB2k to perform that function but Sonore says don't worry about it - it will be done in the uRendu. Still researching your suggestions for control points to install on my laptop. Thanks again - you helped a lot "Too Old to Rock and Roll, Too Young to Die" J. Tull Link to comment
HookedOnAudio Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The minimum setup with a Synology NAS is as follows: 1) Synology own Media Server serving DLNA; 2) microRendu set for MPD/DLNA; 3) some computer or mobile device running a UPnP control point such as Lumin, Kazoo, or BubbleUPnP; 4) router providing DHCP and other routing services to 1-3). If you are willing to mess with Java installation on the NAS, you can install Minimserver, which provides a somewhat nicer set of library browsing and tagging options than Media Server. Most recently, I moved from Minimserver+BubbleUPnP to running a dedicated server (Intel NUC with Ubuntu Linux) and Roon (I've also heard good things about this, which avoids the NUC's DYI aspect). Roon indexes my music on the NAS, and serves it to a couple of Sonore devices, controlled by Roon apps on my laptop, tablet, and phone. This costs quite a bit more, although I really like the overall quality and experience. Addendum to my post to earnmyturns - I should have said the DSD to DoP encapsulation is performed by the W4S device driver rather than fb2k. "Too Old to Rock and Roll, Too Young to Die" J. Tull Link to comment
earnmyturns Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I didn't think the uRendu would be just another client. However I was (am) unsure about who does the encapsulation of DSD into DoP packets if there is no media manager like FB2k to perform that function but Sonore says don't worry about it - it will be done in the uRendu. Still researching your suggestions for control points to install on my laptop. Thanks again - you helped a lot Since neither of my two DACs does DSD, I've not looked into that. As for control points, it's possible to use the Synology Web interface to control play over DLNA, but it's not a great interface. I prefer apps on my Android mobile devices, originally BubbleUPnP for DLNA, now Roon (the Roon Mac app is also nice). But Roon is another level of complexity and expense, although it works very well once it's installed and configured. Link to comment
rogerdn Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Thank you EarnMyTurns - nice to get useful information from someone a few miles away (I'm in Los Gatos). I've been running the MediaServer since the beginning using both my Sonos and Oppo as clients. I didn't think the uRendu would be just another client. However I was (am) unsure about who does the encapsulation of DSD into DoP packets if there is no media manager like FB2k to perform that function but Sonore says don't worry about it - it will be done in the uRendu. Still researching your suggestions for control points to install on my laptop. Thanks again - you helped a lot mconnectHD is another control for iPad. rogerdn Link to comment
vortecjr Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Look what my VP Adrian dropped off today as a surprise. Seems he had a little project going on that I didn't know about:) Hard adapter replacement custom made for Sonore in the USA. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
jjraffin Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Look what my VP Adrian dropped off today as a surprise. Seems he had a little project going on that I didn't know about:) Hard adapter replacement custom made for Sonore in the USA. [ATTACH=CONFIG]28487[/ATTACH] Nice! The Uptone guys will be jealous! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
vortecjr Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Nice! The Uptone guys will be jealous! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk why? SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
sockpit Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Look what my VP Adrian dropped off today as a surprise. Seems he had a little project going on that I didn't know about:) Hard adapter replacement custom made for Sonore in the USA. [ATTACH=CONFIG]28487[/ATTACH] A tip/request. A number of posts have discussed the desirability of an adaptor that incorporates a 90 twist that turns the uR on its side. John S. has recommended such a vertical orientation for heat dissipation reasons. Maybe it could be offered "straight" or with "a twist". Link to comment
E-Stat Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Maybe it could be offered "straight" or with "a twist". I was able to achieve that by rotating the BNC sleeve of my Audiophilleo S/PDIF adapter. Link to comment
jjraffin Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 why? Your one looks better than the hard adaptor that comes with the Regen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Albrecht Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Look what my VP Adrian dropped off today as a surprise. Seems he had a little project going on that I didn't know about:) Hard adapter replacement custom made for Sonore in the USA. [ATTACH=CONFIG]28487[/ATTACH] Woot! Available soon I hope.... Link to comment
flummoxe Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Hi, I'm looking to replace the switchers on my microRendu and Chord 2Qute DAC. Both require 1A but is there any benefit in going for a 2A + liners whilst I'm making the change? Thanks Innuos Zenith SE (Roon Core) > Curious USB/Upton ISO REGEN +LPS-1/USPCB> Chord Hugo TT > ATC SCM 40A Link to comment
vortecjr Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Your one looks better than the hard adaptor that comes with the Regan Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The microRendu comes with that hard adapter as well:) SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 Woot! Available soon I hope.... It's my VP's project so I'll have to ask him what the plan is. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
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