5G - Are We Safe Or Insane?

[esldude]

43 minutes ago, Axial said:

Yes we are, we can see it every single day all around the news. 

 

National security; the airports are almost shut down because they are short of staff. How more insane ...

All government employees just paid for a wall, there's your six billion right there. 

 

But it's 5G potential health issues versus the benefits for our telecommunication leaders and the population that enticed me to start this thread...radiation from super high radio frequencies. ...Cell Phones...equipment...cell phones...communication...radio...telecommunication...audio frequencies...radio...audio...equipment...cell phones...good...bad...5G...questions? 

 

Discussion or not, that's the question now. 

5G does not involve ionizing radiation.  No health risk.  You question has been answered.  The idea non-ionizing radiation is safe is not some one off.  There is much experience, theory, testing, knowledge and science behind it.  If someone has another idea, they'll need very good proof of it to be taken seriously.  

 

wgscott, and I believe Ralf are professionals in biology.  So when they tell you the worry of health effects from 5G are nothing to be concerned with it isn't some crank opinion of some uninformed or disagreeable troll.  Now if you consider yourself bullied by real science facts you'll have to find that safe space for yourself away from reality.  If the only answers you'll consider not bullying are those agreeing with the health risks of 5G then it isn't a discussion at all is it?

 

 

[Axial]

Look, I don't question the professionalism and expertise of scientists in biology. 

I appreciate their participation and contribution.

We are all discussing and discovering more each and everyday together. 

 

Scientists are always questioning themselves and looking to improve their findings. 

Sometimes they even change @ 180° angles. It is permissible in science to look @ places no one ever looked before, to theorize. 

 

Are we the key holders of the universe? 

 

And look again; I don't know anything more than my grandson; he's more into this stuff than an old fart like me. 

 

If the pope wants to share his interest I'm all good. 

[Axial]

Now, let assume that there is no health risks if we take precautions...using good common sense. That's fine with me. What are the benefits people in audio like us would get from 5G technology? ...Other than faster hi res audio file downloads.

 

Let's not talk about health issues anymore; it sucks. 

 

Let's talk 5G high speed technology, ok? ...Like a super computer @ the speed of light but 100 times faster. ...Just a figure of speech to say that it's much faster than everything else before...3G, 4G. 

 

Let's have a good time. 

[Axial]

You use ESL speakers? 

[esldude]

7 minutes ago, Axial said:

You use ESL speakers? 

Yes I do.  Soundlabs.  I've had Acoustats, old and new Quads, and though not stats I've had Maggies which are panels and ribbons. 

[Axial]

Nice.

[esldude]

3 minutes ago, Axial said:

Nice.

Thank you. 

Panels can be there own thing with much to recommend them and their own issues to work around. 

[marce]

10 hours ago, Teresa said:

 

@Axial you can ask Chris @The Computer Audiophile to remove all these trolling posts from your thread.

Trolling, what is meant is a post that you don't agree with and can't find a reasonable argument against, its used so often Its like trying to discuss things in a kindergarten playground... 

[marce]

6 hours ago, Axial said:

 

 

Disagreements in audio is normal, disrespect is not. 

 

LOL, kettle calling frying pan black....

[marce]

3 hours ago, Axial said:

Now, let assume that there is no health risks if we take precautions...using good common sense. That's fine with me. What are the benefits people in audio like us would get from 5G technology? ...Other than faster hi res audio file downloads.

 

Let's not talk about health issues anymore; it sucks. 

 

Let's talk 5G high speed technology, ok? ...Like a super computer @ the speed of light but 100 times faster. ...Just a figure of speech to say that it's much faster than everything else before...3G, 4G. 

 

Let's have a good time. 

Personally I prefer wired internet and data communication, reliable and less prone to interference. I use wireless in the house for non critical stuff, mobile devices, Sky TV, stuff where the odd drop out is just a minor irritation. For music, VPN connection to work, domestic control (heating, MVHR etc.), downloading data, I use a hard wired connection. The problem I find even in a basic domestic environment (1 missus, two 20 year olds left at home and myself), with today's proliferation of wireless devices is my wireless network is already full. So where possible I use wired.

Where 5G and increased wireless bandwidth will help is with the IOT (Internet of Things), with just about anything you can think of having wireless ability... And then endless Apps. for your phone to control them. The worrying trend here is that maybe one day manual controls will disappear from devices...

For audio, we already have enough bandwidth for multi channel high res audio, and I should imagine most download music via a standard home internet connection, wired.

But, where it will have an effect, is on equipment design, the higher the frequency of RF activity in an environment, the harder it is to shield component internal circuitry (even little gaps will let interference into a box). Also the quarter wave antenna length decreases with frequency, so more PCB structures and cables may act as antennas possibly increasing Radiated susceptibility problems. The electromagnetic spectrum will increase in the higher frequencies, whether this will be a problem, time will tell. Its not modern devices, its older gear that many of us have, how immune is it to increased higher frequency noise. So interesting times...

 

 

[Ralf11]

5G allows people in poor areas (such as developing countries) to have fast internet - in parts of India there are no landlines, just cell service

 

5G also allows people who now use cable to overcome the "last mile" of high speed internet; running fiber is very expensive in residential areas

 

5G brings competition to the monopoly the cable co.s now enjoy

[esldude]

5 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

5G allows people in poor areas (such as developing countries) to have fast internet - in parts of India there are no landlines, just cell service

How does it do this better than 4G.  4G is less hardware intensive, reaches more area with less dense infrastructure.  It is capable of very useful internet speeds even if not able to reach the claimed capabilities of 5G.  I have a feeling the prime areas for 5G are going to be the reverse of what you've described.  Wealthy, developed, already densely serviced areas. 

5 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

5G also allows people who now use cable to overcome the "last mile" of high speed internet; running fiber is very expensive in residential areas

Here too, I don't see how this is an advantage vs 4G especially if you lower power for smaller cells and service more densely yet we've seen no one using 4G for the last mile.  

5 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

5G brings competition to the monopoly the cable co.s now enjoy

I suppose it might.  Of course if there is anyone with poorer customer service than monopoly cable companies, it would be cellular phone companies.  They can certainly give cable a run for their money in fleecing rather than servicing customers.  It is already a cliche, but cell companies promise the speed of 5G without any word on data caps.  Great we'll be able to blow the monthly data allowance in only minutes.  So with the extra cost of 5G they are also going to just open wide the gates of data you get every month?  Maybe, if so they've probably been making it artificially expensive in the present.  Oligopoly isn't that much better than monopoly especially because it lets them hide what really is a collective monopoly.  

[elcorso]

33 minutes ago, esldude said:

How does it do this better than 4G.  4G is less hardware intensive, reaches more area with less dense infrastructure.  It is capable of very useful internet speeds even if not able to reach the claimed capabilities of 5G.  I have a feeling the prime areas for 5G are going to be the reverse of what you've described.  Wealthy, developed, already densely serviced areas. 

Here too, I don't see how this is an advantage vs 4G especially if you lower power for smaller cells and service more densely yet we've seen no one using 4G for the last mile.  

I suppose it might.  Of course if there is anyone with poorer customer service than monopoly cable companies, it would be cellular phone companies.  They can certainly give cable a run for their money in fleecing rather than servicing customers.  It is already a cliche, but cell companies promise the speed of 5G without any word on data caps.  Great we'll be able to blow the monthly data allowance in only minutes.  So with the extra cost of 5G they are also going to just open wide the gates of data you get every month?  Maybe, if so they've probably been making it artificially expensive in the present.  Oligopoly isn't that much better than monopoly especially because it lets them hide what really is a collective monopoly.  

 

Of course!

 

And you need to buy new cell phones ...

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/features/story/what-is-5g-and-why-you-should-or-should-not-care-about-it-1409600-2018-12-14

 

Roch

[Ralf11]

esl - 5G does faster better than 4G in rural areas; your impediments are just things that will decrease in cost over time

[wgscott]

On 1/21/2019 at 2:40 PM, Jud said:

 

Also, details matter: Antibiotics are prescribed less often, for good reason, but I believe when prescribed the course should be completed, for the same reason. (In each case, the reason is to avoid creating the conditions that favor evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.)

 

Apparently that happened awhile ago.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10388

 

 

[Jud]

12 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

Apparently that happened awhile ago.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10388

 

 

 

Love this.

 

But of course it would have had to - why is this surprising (though perhaps this paper wasn't aimed at saying that)?  Unless you were Barbara McClintock in later years or James A. Shapiro, you aren't pushing for bacteria as little smock-wearing chemists with the group intelligence to know what direction to evolve in.  So something similar to the current ability to evolve antibiotic resistance would have to exist in bacterial genomes already (perhaps as a defense against natural fungal antibiotics?).

[Ralf11]

On 1/21/2019 at 2:40 PM, Jud said:

antibiotic-resistant bacteria

 

I say we zap those little mutha's with 5G

[AudioDoctor]

13 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

I say we zap those little mutha's with 5G

 

a 5G microwave. It spins at a rate fast enough to create a 5G acceleration while zapping them with 5G microwaves.

[AudioDoctor]

46 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

Love this.

 

But of course it would have had to - why is this surprising (though perhaps this paper wasn't aimed at saying that)?  Unless you were Barbara McClintock in later years or James A. Shapiro, you aren't pushing for bacteria as little smock-wearing chemists with the group intelligence to know what direction to evolve in.  So something similar to the current ability to evolve antibiotic resistance would have to exist in bacterial genomes already (perhaps as a defense against natural fungal antibiotics?).

 

Next time someone says evolution isn't a thing, bring up drug resistant bacteria...

[wgscott]

23 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Next time someone says evolution isn't a thing, bring up drug resistant bacteria...

 

According to that Nature paper, God (In His infinite benevolence with respect to human pathogens) created antibiotic resistance thousands of years ago, which means at the beginning of time, since we all know the world was created in 4004 BC.  

[esldude]

3 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

esl - 5G does faster better than 4G in rural areas; your impediments are just things that will decrease in cost over time

Yeah, but I never got good 4G in rural areas.  So now they are going to do even more than ever and get us 5G?  I'll believe it when I see it. 

 

I hope you are right.  I think you are not. 

 

I'm hoping Elon Musk gets his satellites in low earth orbit going and crushes everyone else on this.  

[esldude]

2 hours ago, wgscott said:

 

Apparently that happened awhile ago.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10388

 

 

As someone who lost their mother last year to such resistance I am less happy about it.  Then I'm not happy with God either.  His benevolence seems over-hyped. 

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, wgscott said:

 

According to that Nature paper, God (In His infinite benevolence with respect to human pathogens) created antibiotic resistance thousands of years ago, which means at the beginning of time, since we all know the world was created in 4004 BC.  

 

The obvious reply to that then is to ask why they were not resistant to the drugs at the beginning of their use?

 

or to walk away, grab a beer, and laugh at the poor souls.

 

I admit I did not read the paper.

[Jud]

7 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Next time someone says evolution isn't a thing, bring up drug resistant bacteria...

 

Happened so often they've got a canned reply. It proves "evolution" only happens when a higher intelligence is acting.

 

Yeah, that's really said, and actually believed.

[AudioDoctor]

5 hours ago, Jud said:

 

Happened so often they've got a canned reply. It proves "evolution" only happens when a higher intelligence is acting.

 

Yeah, that's really said, and actually believed.

 

Not surprising...