Axial Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, MetalNuts said: Indeed, previously the medical practitioner advised that patients must take all the antibiotics prescribed even they had recovered before all the prescribed antibotics were taken. Now, some have different view and advise patients it is not necessary to take all! So why there is a different theory or outcome. Super germ/virus is a result of the abuse use of antibiotics, the scientists have no idea of the whole picture and treat the human lives at a piece meal. You may recover your pneumonia by taking antibiotics but you actually help breeding some super germs/virus. Ironic, isn't it? 14 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: If you want to see "heavily biased" watch the refs in the Saints game. 47 minutes ago, wgscott said: Good point. Next time you get pneumonia, treat it with prayer, rather than antibiotics. Related to 5G? Lol Sound Matters Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, MetalNuts said: Indeed, previously the medical practitioner advised that patients must take all the antibiotics prescribed even they had recovered before all the prescribed antibotics were taken. Now, some have different view and advise patients it is not necessary to take all! So why there is a different theory or outcome. Super germ/virus is a result of the abuse use of antibiotics, the scientists have no idea of the whole picture and treat the human lives at a piece meal. You may recover your pneumonia by taking antibiotics but you actually help breeding some super germs/virus. Ironic, isn't it? Nope. You just don't have your facts straight, and are too busy reveling in your own ignorance to check. Even though, in this case, you are simply dead wrong, you also don't seem to grasp the idea that science can progress, and scientists test their hypotheses and alter or refine them to make intellectual progress. Jud, Ralf11 and marce 1 2 Link to comment
wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Axial said: Related to 5G? Lol Only insofar as belief in the efficacy of faith healing is about as grounded in reality as fear of radio waves. Ralf11 1 Link to comment
Axial Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 You have a point there. Brain damage people from 5G radio wave frequencies are going to need some medical treatments and prescription drugs @ another point. Teresa, wgscott and marce 1 2 Sound Matters Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 Looking back at the thread title, it appears that some are both safe and insane. I hope everyone enjoys the anti-vaxer caused measles outbreak. esldude and wgscott 1 1 Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, wgscott said: Only insofar as belief in the efficacy of faith healing is about as grounded in reality as fear of radio waves. First of all, please read the thread again yourself before you accused me of ignorance. Please show me where I said I do not believe in science. If I/we do not believe in science, then how can I/we be the victims of eating magarine for decades before realising the scientists were wrong. What I stated in my threads are undisputed facts, i.e. magarine, antibiotics which are just a few examples of how scientists were wrong. They might have made an honest mistaken belief like we all may do but as scientists, they should be prudent and their inventions will affect billions of people irrespective of whether those ordinary people believe in their so call invention. Teresa, wgscott and phosphorein 1 2 MetalNuts Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, MetalNuts said: First of all, please read the thread again yourself before you accused me of ignorance. Please show me where I said I do not believe in science. If I/we do not believe in science, then how can I/we be the victims of eating magarine for decades before realising the scientists were wrong. What I stated in my threads are undisputed facts, i.e. magarine, antibiotics which are just a few examples of how scientists were wrong. They might have made an honest mistaken belief like we all may do but as scientists, they should be prudent and their inventions will affect billions of people irrespective of whether those ordinary people believe in their so call invention. What facts are you referring to regarding margarine? The ones debunked in this article? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/fake-news-about-margarine/ This article about antibiotics from the same site is also interesting: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/if-you-feel-better-should-you-stop-taking-your-antibiotics/ wgscott and Jud 1 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, MetalNuts said: What I stated in my threads are undisputed facts, i.e. magarine, antibiotics which are just a few examples of how scientists were wrong. They might have made an honest mistaken belief like we all may do but as scientists, they should be prudent and their inventions will affect billions of people irrespective of whether those ordinary people believe in their so call invention. have you been bathing in radon? also, you need some speeling corekshuns wgscott 1 Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MetalNuts said: Please show me where I said I do not believe in science. If I/we do not believe in science, then how can I/we be the victims of eating magarine for decades before realising the scientists were wrong. Huh? Science isn't a belief system, to begin with. Science is a disbelief system. What I am suggesting is that it might help to get a better handle on how it works. opus101 and Jud 1 1 Link to comment
wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Axial said: You have a point there. Brain damage people from 5G radio wave frequencies are going to need some medical treatments and prescription drugs @ another point. Except the only brain damage is from irrational fear of the unknown. Link to comment
esldude Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: have you been bathing in radon? also, you need some speeling corekshuns Did you say he needed some Speilberg connections? Ralf11 1 And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Axial Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, wgscott said: Except the only brain damage is from irrational fear of the unknown. Do you have scientific evidence? It will take few years before enough data is collected. Sound Matters Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, wgscott said: Huh? Science isn't a belief system, to begin with. Science is a disbelief system. What I am suggesting is that it might help to get a better handle on how it works. Very funny, try to side step your unjustified allegation of ignorance of others by playing words. If there is no belief, then where does the disbelief comes from? If there is no honour system, then there is no dishonour. How does that work? MetalNuts Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, wgscott said: Nope. You just don't have your facts straight, and are too busy reveling in your own ignorance to check. Even though, in this case, you are simply dead wrong, you also don't seem to grasp the idea that science can progress, and scientists test their hypotheses and alter or refine them to make intellectual progress. No belief system? It does not seem to be applicable to you. I presume that you are not a scientist then. You seem to believe in what you read by twisting and turning to make it appear as you thought. I express my own view and you express yours and should we all like you that if someone has a different view or not clear enough to express one's view, we should accuse them ignorant? Anyway, I do believe that it is pointess to argue with someone who have difficult in understand words literally without adding or twisting those words into other meaning. Teresa 1 MetalNuts Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, MetalNuts said: Very funny, try to side step your unjustified allegation of ignorance of others by playing words. If there is no belief, then where does the disbelief comes from? If there is no honour system, then there is no dishonour. How does that work? Hypotheses in science are essentially guesses. The way progress is made is by testing hypotheses and trying to refute them as hard as possible. If they still survive, then I guess you could say you can start to "believe" them, but the belief is tentative, with the knowledge that a new observation could require changing everything. (Your misunderstanding regarding antibiotic resistance, and the energy of radio waves, is ignorance. Your refusal to look at the evidence and correct that is arrogance. I'm not trying to sidestep those "allegations," but you are welcome to provide evidence to the contrary.) Jud, Teresa and Ralf11 2 1 Link to comment
wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, MetalNuts said: Anyway, I do believe that it is pointess to argue with someone who have difficult in understand words literally without adding or twisting those words into other meaning. I do have difficulty understanding your words, but I assume it is a second-language issue. Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, wgscott said: Hypotheses in science are essentially guesses. The way progress is made is by testing hypotheses and trying to refute them as hard as possible. If they still survive, then I guess you could say you can start to "believe" them, but the belief is tentative, with the knowledge that a new observation could require changing everything. (Your misunderstanding regarding antibiotic resistance, and the energy of radio waves, is ignorance. Your refusal to look at the evidence and correct that is arrogance. I'm not trying to sidestep those "allegations," but you are welcome to provide evidence to the contrary.) Again where did I talk about the energy of radio waves? Please show me. Here below is my very first post: "Sometimes I do wonder which scientist is trustworthy and we have all experienced lies from scientists and experts. I can still recall in my teenage, people started eating magarine because sceintist claimed it is a healthy substitute of butter but now scientists are reversing the claim. Some scientists warn not to eat so many eggs and in particular eat only the egg white and not the yolk but again some scientists now are reversing the claim. Here they talk about the effect of wi-fi on health but I would like to ask the question of why only wi-fi. Do I need to be a scientist to know that too much wave of any kind will affect health or even harzardous, i.e. sea wave (tsunami), sound wave (sonic weapons), solar wave, electrical wave, magnetic wave." People can always choose to believe what they believe and you choose to believe your subjective and arbitrary interpretation of what I wrote and expressed. Who is arrogrant in accusing others ignorant time after time without any proof of such allegation? First time he is ignorant, second time and thereafter he is malicious. I am now convinced that you do have difficulty in reading and understanding so please pardon me of not responding futher to your response. Teresa 1 MetalNuts Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, kumakuma said: What facts are you referring to regarding margarine? The ones debunked in this article? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/fake-news-about-margarine/ Have you read this? https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/butter-vs-margarine Who should we trust? MetalNuts Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, kumakuma said: This article about antibiotics from the same site is also interesting: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/if-you-feel-better-should-you-stop-taking-your-antibiotics/ Have you read this? https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/26/rule-patients-must-finish-antibiotics-course-wrong-study-says https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3418 Who should we trust? MetalNuts Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 So, on G5 radio wave energy, I can "trust" everyone from Einstein to Schrodinger, Heisenberg and Dirac, who developed quantum theory (Einstein in particular won the Nobel Prize for discovering photons, and that energy goes up with the frequency of an individual photon, rather than the intensity of light), or I can "trust" the anonymous guy on the internet with the world's most punchable avatar who thinks butter vs. margarine discredits the entire scientific enterprise. Gosh-golly, that sure is a tough decision. Jud, Ralf11, AudioDoctor and 2 others 1 1 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 Doctors now suggest not taking antibiotics as much because we have LEARNED that doing so was causing side effects that we did not want. So we adjusted our thinking and moved forward. If you expect Doctors or "science" to know everything and assume these contradictions are proof of the lack of efficacy of "science" then I really don't know how to help you. wgscott, esldude, Ralf11 and 1 other 1 3 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Axial Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 That ^ plus nobody is ignorant in this thread here. We're all learning on a same equal level, with the utmost respect for each other, using and intelligent language of communication, universal...sweet peaceful melodies from ultra fast/high 5G radio wave frequencies. ...English? Of course English, not French, Italian, German or Mexican. _____ Music (humor): Sound Matters Link to comment
Jud Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: Doctors now suggest not taking antibiotics as much because we have LEARNED that doing so was causing side effects that we did not want. So we adjusted our thinking and moved forward. If you expect Doctors or "science" to know everything and assume these contradictions are proof of the lack of efficacy of "science" then I really don't know how to help you. Also, details matter: Antibiotics are prescribed less often, for good reason, but I believe when prescribed the course should be completed, for the same reason. (In each case, the reason is to avoid creating the conditions that favor evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.) One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post asdf1000 Posted January 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2019 Google must know I've been on this thread because this video popped up on my YouTube home page, so I thought I'd share it here lol. I'm not interested in the drivel of the reporters/journalists in this video but there were a couple of snippets from a doctor and a scientist. For the record I mentioned earlier in this thread that concerns about cell phone towers and mobile phone use causing cancer have been discussed for 20 years but I'm not interested in Faraday shielding myself at home and when I leave home. I just do sensible things like try and avoid holding the phone to my head if possible (speakerphone, mic'ed earphones) or keep the phone a few meters away from me when I sleep (inverse square law). Apart from that I don't think about it much because cell towers and WiFi access points are everywhere I go. Still interesting to hear the concerns of scientists though. Teresa and Axial 2 Link to comment
Axial Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Google must know something more than I know ... Are we getting more disconnected (with our health, out vital human values, our natural environment...wildlife animals, forests, plants, air, water, humans, ...) by being more connected and faster connected? If so, then why are we living by old rules of laws (here 1996) that are killing us more and faster? I've read many scientific articles, commentaries from expert doctors, mathematicians, physicists, biologists, ...all with PhDs and highly respected by their scientist peers, watched videos (like the above and many others), shared my findings from those, listened the non-concerned people, the minority of few concerned ones, being ridiculed, insulted, taken for a charlatan, an ignorant, an out-of-touch reality repugnant, a traitor, a mentally handicapped, a nobody. I thought to start this thread right here to see if everyone was right or just dreaming an impossible dream. And, this is only 5G that we're talking about here...much more "immersive" than anything before...3G and 4G. Just imagine starting a thread about electric and electronics! ...Like electric cars (good) and music/movie servers connected to the Internet highspeed highway with super fast telecommunication technology. Is 5G better with ICE cars or with electric cars? Do we need more factories making foil paper as a fire retardant suits? Do we look like Marvel superhero comics? ...With 5G implemented in our suits? ...To alert us of imminent dangers from global warming, climate changes, forest fires, ozone layer, gas emission levels, toxic emulsions, eruptions, emails, ...? To let us know fast that the prescriptions drugs we are taking against radiations are the wrong prescriptions because the pharmaceutical companies falsified their reports on their real effects and the doctors simply bought their formula? Are we more concerned by what we have (money, luxury items, cars, yachts, room services, fancy food, expensive cigars and cognac, ultra high end tape cassette decks, etc., etc., etc.) than who we are? ...Our family values, our health, our respect for our planet and humanity and our environment and our space, air, water and dirt? Are we going to let hazardous materials (electrical posts, like in dry areas), rule our lives and burn our houses and incinerate our communities? ...More posts, more transformers, more electronic boxes, ...more wireless brain for more and faster human damage. We don't think before we build; we just do it blindfolded like blind people and regardless of the real consequences that matter the most...the human brain cells preservation. But I'm sure I'm already @ the point of no recuperation. So why even bother? I want to live my life in the ultra fast lane, leave me alone it is my right the law says so, written in 1996. I abide by the laws, I'm an obedient citizen, I pay my taxes, I vote for the right people, and I eat meat (steaks & eggs and mashed potatoes). Sound Matters Link to comment
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