EarSpace!!!!

[Blake]

How freaking awesome is Jana Dagdagan's new YouTube Channel??!   What a great personality and breath of fresh air, very much needed in our hobby.

 

Check out her first video, letting you "virtually" experience new speakers from DeVore, the Orangutan Reference 4-Piece System.  Such a cool idea!

 

 

[Ralf11]

so Jana Dagdagan turned down the old lasagna job and went straight to YouTube?

 

Good for her!  very Millennial...

[fas42]

Hmmm ... what I note is that the SQ of that "perfect capture" is a complete and utter mess - Jeez, is that the standard that people are after ... help!!

[4est]

55 minutes ago, fas42 said:

Hmmm ... what I note is that the SQ of that "perfect capture" is a complete and utter mess - Jeez, is that the standard that people are after ... help!!

Help? And here I was thinking that your stereo even made crappy recordings sound awesome. Perhaps I must have read that wrong a few hundred times?

[fas42]

The recording would be fine - but what we are listening to here is a capture of an audio system playback, of that recording. Let's say we captured the playback of a cheap PA at high volume, from a suitable distance - what chances then of having good insight into the contents of the recording itself?

 

I have zero complaints about Jana is trying to do here - and it's showing the shortcomings of the particular rig, very clearly.

 

 

[Don Hills]

Deleted - will post later.

 

[Don Hills]

9 hours ago, fas42 said:

... Let's say we captured the playback of a cheap PA at high volume, from a suitable distance - ...

 

The room is the elephant when it comes to recording a system in this way.

Outside is much better:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Don Hills]

10 hours ago, fas42 said:

...

I have zero complaints about Jana is trying to do here - and it's showing the shortcomings of the particular rig, very clearly.

 

I have a big complaint. There are shortcomings, but they're not the fault of the speakers. Using a dummy head is worse than, for example, a pair of cardioid microphones because it doesn't do what our auditory system does, filter out the majority of the reverberant / reflected sound in the room. The result doesn't sound like what it would sound like to be sitting in the room. If you must record the sound of the system, place it in an anechoic chamber or an open field. But conversely, don't judge it by listening to it live in such a situation. Most domestic speakers are designed to sound best in a room when listened to by ears.

[daverich4]

10 hours ago, fas42 said:

The recording would be fine - but what we are listening to here is a capture of an audio system playback, of that recording. Let's say we captured the playback of a cheap PA at high volume, from a suitable distance - what chances then of having good insight into the contents of the recording itself?

 

I have zero complaints about Jana is trying to do here - and it's showing the shortcomings of the particular rig, very clearly.

 

 

 

Because I have a well sorted system my brain fills in the good sound I would be hearing if the sound was good. 

[audiobomber]

1 hour ago, Don Hills said:

 

The room is the elephant when it comes to recording a system in this way.

Outside is much better:

The level of wind sound and ambient noise in the first video is ridiculous. In the second video it's clear that the speakers have poor time alignment, bass and highs don't reach the mike at the same time. The music in the third video is a muddled mess.

 

I thought the Devore recording sounded really good for YouTube, especially the bass. I look forward to hearing more systems to get a baseline. I've subscribed to her channel.

[pkane2001]

1 hour ago, Don Hills said:

Using a dummy head is worse than, for example, a pair of cardioid microphones because it doesn't do what our auditory system does, filter out the majority of the reverberant / reflected sound in the room. The result doesn't sound like what it would sound like to be sitting in the room.

 

What did you use to listen to the recorded sound if not your auditory system? Why didn’t it do the filtering for you when listening to a recording? Did you listen through speakers instead of headphones perhaps?

[Don Blas De Lezo]

We would not make an ultimate judgement on the sound quality of an album from a Youtube video would we ? But it does give us a general idea . The advantages or disadvantages of the dummy head aside  .... as long as she maintains the exact same recording procedure in every room  for each video ...as she states she will ,  then as Audiobomber said , we can have a GENERAL baseline  and get a bit of an idea of differences between not only the system but as importantly ...the room.    I think the video is fantastic and very well done. It is fun to see and hear other peoples' rooms while keeping in mind we are listening on different headphones, Dacs, etc. I am also looking forward to the next ones and also subscribed.  Its also great to see a young woman so passionate about sound and making such a great effort . This hobby needs as many young people as possible !

 

Great work Jana and keep going !

[esldude]

5 hours ago, Don Hills said:

 

The room is the elephant when it comes to recording a system in this way.

Outside is much better:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The stadium seemed to corrupt the sound recorded more than the other two. 

[kumakuma]

16 hours ago, fas42 said:

 

I have zero complaints about Jana is trying to do here - and it's showing the shortcomings of the particular rig, very clearly.

 

 

 

And what are these shortcomings?

[Ralf11]

Using a dummy head is exactly what scientists and engineers do to design equipment or study audition.

 

However this particular dummy head is very squared off, so may only be applicable in Scandihoovian countries...

[pkane2001]

36 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

Using a dummy head is exactly what scientists and engineers do to design equipment or study audition.

 

I’m doing it right then — that’s what I use for listening all the time, a dummy head. At least that’s what my wife tells me.

[fas42]

4 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

And what are these shortcomings?

 

The original:

 

 

Starting at 6:09, the playback:

 

 

How many things would you like me to point out?

[fas42]

As an example of what high quality sound reinforcement is capable of, compared with the usual rubbishy efforts, I present:

 

 

Home audio should be able to at least match this ...

[kumakuma]

25 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

The original:

 

 

Starting at 6:09, the playback:

 

 

How many things would you like me to point out?

 

More than zero would be a start...

[fas42]

So, you would find it almost impossible to separate those in an AB comparison, say focusing on the tonality of the instruments, and sense of original recording space?

[kumakuma]

4 minutes ago, fas42 said:

So, you would find it almost impossible to separate those in an AB comparison, say focusing on the tonality of the instruments, and sense of original recording space?

 

Nice deflect. 

 

I ask the question again.

 

What "shortcomings of the particular rig" are being shown "very clearly" and how do you know these are shortcomings of the rig and not shortcomings of Jana's recording equipment or recording method?

[fas42]

4 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Nice deflect. 

 

I ask the question again.

 

What "shortcomings of the particular rig" are being shown "very clearly" and how do you know these are shortcomings of the rig and not shortcomings of Jana's recording equipment or recording method?

 

 And the classic deflect by all those who refuse to accept that the playback can be at fault, by claiming that any deviation must be the fault of the recording technique and equipment - umm, isn't it amazing how YouTube clips of live music recorded on the most "rubbishy" phones still captures the essence of liveness that was present; but always seems to fail to do this with captures of playback rigs operating - must be a conspiracy goin' on ...

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

 And the classic deflect by all those who refuse to accept that the playback can be at fault, by claiming that any deviation must be the fault of the recording technique and equipment - umm, isn't it amazing how YouTube clips of live music recorded on the most "rubbishy" phones still captures the essence of liveness that was present; but always seems to fail to do this with captures of playback rigs operating - must be a conspiracy goin' on ...

 

So ya got nothing...

 

Why I am not surprised?

[fas42]

The conspiracy extended to the video,

 

 

They changed the microphones, between the two sections, you see ... .

 

On a serious "note", I had a look at the waveforms of key sections here, and the differences were enormous.

[fas42]

You'll play the game of dancing so fast that your feet are a blur, no matter what or how I present something - "There are none so blind as those who will not see" ...