Everything sounds the same

[wwaldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

I saw Pizza Huts in Rome! As to who would eat such a thing when there is such high quality fare around, I wouldn't know (there are Macdonalds in Europe too, but again, why? It's garbage anywhere you have it (again IMHO))!

 

I saw McDonald's on the Av. des Champs-Élysées in Paris 35 years ago, and the line was out the door. This surprised me. Either it was an "American novelty" back then, or there for the benefit of foreign tourists too intimidated to appreciate the unique local cuisine. I have a friend like that and it ultimately cost him his first marriage. His wife was a gourmet cook. His favorite food is hot dogs. She remarried someone more sophisticated, and moved to Switzerland, and he's now on wife #3.

[Shadders]

5 minutes ago, wwaldmanfan said:

She remarried someone more sophisticated, and moved to Switzerland, and he's now on with wife #3.

FTFY

[Ralf11]

9 hours ago, mansr said:

The fine people at Oxford Dictionaries define it as "a flat round base of dough baked with a topping of tomatoes and cheese, typically with added meat, fish, or vegetables."

 

the Chicago style round savory tomato sauced pie thing is NOT flat

[Ralf11]

55 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

... I saw Pizza Huts in Rome! As to who would eat such a thing ...

 

tourists would do that - especially English or American tourists

[mansr]

4 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

the Chicago style round savory tomato sauced pie thing is NOT flat

Nor is it a pizza. It is a pie made with pizza-type ingredients.

[lmitche]

On 10/1/2018 at 10:37 AM, jabbr said:

 

Oh there are so so many debates ... so this: https://pepespizzeria.com/about/

 

Interestingly, and folks from CT will verify, despite recreating the original ovens brick by brick, the new locations have never been able to equal the original in terms of flavor. The theory is that the wooden shelves where the dough is stored create an environment for the yeast ... the new sites use metal shelves as the wood was "grandfathered" in ...

 

In any case the pizza in the Northeast USA has little local diversities and passionate adherents e.g. wood vs coal ovens, Neopolitan vs Sicilian, etc etc etc., much like my experience in Italy where moving down the coast from just over the Monaco border all the way down, the pizza changes, slightly, from town to town.

 

Now BBQ in the states, mostly the south ... same regional differences e.g. eastern vs western North Carolina pulled pork... just keep the pressure cooked mass produced and then slathered in corn syrup ribs away from me! I look for a stack of wood out back before driving in ...

 

all good fun  

Thanks to this thread, I was inspired to have lunch at Pepe's in Fairfield today. I ate a plain cheese pizza baked in a coal fired oven. OMG was it good.  Thanks again Jabbr!

[Ralf11]

coal??

[esldude]

30 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

coal??

Maybe it was a typo for cold...........................er  probably not. 

 

Probably was charcoal fired.  

[mansr]

6 hours ago, lucretius said:

Pineapple belongs only on Mexican "pizza", which isn't pizza.

I thought it was for Hawaiian, invented by a Greek in Canada.

[mansr]

3 minutes ago, esldude said:

Probably was charcoal fired.

Not Trumpcoal?

[Richard Dale]

5 minutes ago, mansr said:

I thought it was for Hawaiian, invented by a Greek in Canada.

I think you're right. It is still a bad idea.

[gmgraves]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

 

the Chicago style round savory tomato sauced pie thing is NOT flat

The reason why I didn't answer the question is because it's too difficult. I would say that a pizza is a hot focaccia base with hot toppings on it. These can be olive oil tomatoes, cheese, onions, various meats, olives, etc., on top. But that's not 100% correct either. That's really just one style of pizza. I have never particularly liked Chicago style pizza. Too much bread. But I love the Chicago "Italian Beef" sandwich and the Chicago style hot dog with the celery salt and the pickle etc! I have made Italian Beef before and it's not too difficult, but I'd rather buy it ready to go.  

[gmgraves]

49 minutes ago, mansr said:

I thought it was for Hawaiian, invented by a Greek in Canada.

So-called Hawaiian pizza is pineapple and Canadian bacon. OK occasionally but I wouldn't want a steady diet....

[diecaster]

42 minutes ago, Richard Dale said:

I think you're right. It is still a bad idea.

 

Only if you don’t like how it tastes. I love Hawaiian pizza. Then again, I am more interested in how my food tastes than I am in being some kind of stuck up purist. 

[lucretius]

Just now, gmgraves said:

So-called Hawaiian pizza is pineapple and Canadian bacon. OK occasionally but I wouldn't want a steady diet....

 

No -- not Cdn bacon but rather ham.

[gmgraves]

53 minutes ago, esldude said:

Maybe it was a typo for cold...........................er  probably not. 

 

Probably was charcoal fired.  

No, it means coal, as in bituminous. It gives a really hot oven -around 1000 degrees F. Cooks a thin crust pizza in about 60-80 seconds. 

[gmgraves]

2 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

tourists would do that - especially English or American tourists

Thus convincing Italians and other Europeans of something they already think they know about Americans - we have no taste. 

[gmgraves]

38 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

No -- not Cdn bacon but rather ham.

I guess that depends upon from who you buy it. 

[lucretius]

11 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

I guess that depends upon from who you buy it. 

 

http://time.com/4814056/hawaiian-pizza-pineapple-sam-panopoulos-death/

 

I spent my whole life in southern Ontario and have never seen a "Hawaiian pizza" with Canadian Bacon (better known as peameal bacon), only ham. I suppose somewhere, sometime, someone substituted Canadian bacon for ham.

[lucretius]

2 hours ago, mansr said:

I thought it was for Hawaiian, invented by a Greek in Canada.

 

Yes.  My mistake calling it Mexican, although the Hawaiian pizza is a favorite with Mexicans.

[lmitche]

2 hours ago, esldude said:

Maybe it was a typo for cold...........................er  probably not. 

 

Probably was charcoal fired.  

Here is a picture of the coal fired oven.

 

[Ralf11]

not as nice as the certified Neapolitan approved oven I posted up thread

 

 

use Pecan or Apple wood - if your oven design is inferior and does not produce adequate T, then blow some pure O2 in there

[esldude]

This purist talk of various versions of non-authentic pizza is convincing me the audiophile mindset is pathological.  

 

I know someone who spent big bucks to get the finest wood fired oven (oak wood I believe) and trained to cook proper purist highest quality Neopolitan pizza.  And it is something special.  But I can also enjoy the heck out of a well done Chicago style deep dish.  Plus I'll admit first hearing about pineapple on pizza seemed inherently wrong.  Tasting it changed my mind.  

 

So us audiophile's cannot get along with proletarian pizza's without ending up in some involved contentious discussion about pure pizza methods and expensive ways to accomplish that?   Wow, what a sad bunch of losers we are.

 

And are we not off topic unless we declare everything tastes the same?  I just hope it doesn't all taste like chicken, I don't care for chicken.  

[Ralf11]

chicken is the tofu of meat

[Ralf11]

Bresse blue-foots excepted!