For those concerned about power cables....

[christopher3393]

2 hours ago, gmgraves said:

I've never heard any rap or hip-hop that I didn't find utterly disgusting.

 

“While in aesthetic experience we willingly orient ourselves toward an object, examining it with curiosity and pleasure, disgust thrusts us in the opposite direction; it repels, repulses, revolts. The world is felt as pressing in too insistently, leaving us none of the elbow room we usually need to engage with an object aesthetically. Disgust bundles its force into a single affective vector aimed at driving back the offending object, and so it comes across as simple and one-dimensional, bereft of the complexity we look for in aesthetic experience. When it seizes us, it does so with a completeness that seems to leave no place for reflection or contemplation. It has no truck with ambiguity or ambivalence or irony.”

 

Disgust (Oxford Encyclopedia of Aesthetics, 2nd ed.)

[Ralf11]

4 hours ago, gmgraves said:

 I've never heard any rap or hip-hop that I didn't find utterly disgusting.

 

try some Bounce!

 

You'd have a lot of fun at a NoLa house party?

[Ralf11]

"How much lower on the evolutionary scale can music go? What are heading toward? "

 

First, you are not understanding evolution.  There is no scala naturae (despite some long-term tendency for more complex and more intelligent life forms to appear after some time).

 

But as to where music is headed:  We are headed to the One Big Note as explained by our greatest modern composer, F. V. Zappa.

 

http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Big_Note_concept

 

 

[Allan F]

On 9/23/2018 at 9:25 AM, Chopsrr said:

As for the deliberate added distortion, it's just another tone that guitarists use. It's not the kind of distortion you might be thinking of like a speaker at its limits or an amplifier at clipping. It's not like that at all. 

 

Actually, it is very much like an amplifier at clipping. That is how electric guitar distortion was originally created. Tube amps were intentionally overloaded to drive the amps into clipping. Of course, since that time, built in amp features and all sorts of external devices have become available to artificially create adjustable distortion.

[Blake]

5 hours ago, gmgraves said:

I don't think it's important that I "get it", Frank. After all, I have rarely heard any rock or reggae or soul, or country music that I would want to listen to (but there are a few exceptions), I've never heard any rap or hip-hop that I didn't find utterly disgusting. 

 

So you have boring/bland musical tastes...  Honey Badger Don't Care!!!  

 

 

[fas42]

Some early specimens ...

 

 

 

 

 

[gmgraves]

8 hours ago, jabbr said:

So why ask? ?

 

Electric guitar creates sounds that typically come out of a tube amplifier and which are themselves mic’d and amplified for the audience. The sounds are distorted to you, and indeed involve feedback/nonlinearities etc but the intention never was to replicate an acoustic guitar. The sounds are as the artist intends. What’s the big deal? Many people like lamb and Brussel sprouts ?‍♂️

I asked merely because I was somewhat taken aback by the incredibly nasty, high level of distortion from that guy's guitar. I really have not paid any attention to that type of guitar playing and didn't realize that that sound was actually desired. I have, of course, heard of "fuzz boxes" for electric guitars, but I never associated the "fuzz" with that level of distortion. I am surprised that some people like to listen to that. That's all.

 

 

[gmgraves]

8 hours ago, christopher3393 said:

 

...is wonderful!

 

 

 

Drums and other percussion instruments add the "spice" to many kinds of music. Where would Brazillian Samba, Cuban Cha-cha, Mambos and Beguines be without percussion instruments? But just like with food, spice alone isn't very nourishing or very palatable. The music of Les Baxter, Martin Denny, and Arthur Lyman are made exotic by the use of unusual percussion instruments from Africa, India, and Southeast Asia and the Malay Peninsula.Japanese Koto drums and Chinese percussion instruments also add color to music. But that's not what I was talking about. I was projecting forward to a "western" pop music form that was reduced solely to beating on logs accompanied by random yelling - probably the oldest and most primitive form of music made by humans. My point was that we went through that 100,000 years ago, when people were living in the caves of Lascaux in France and elsewhere. I'd hate to see the general trend in pop music devolving back to that and I meant the post as an exercise in reducto ad absurdum, with tongue planted firmly in my cheek. 

[wgscott]

On 9/23/2018 at 9:12 AM, gmgraves said:

Thanks for the clarification. But if you don't mind answering, why would anybody want to listen to distortion? I don't get it.

 

 

[gmgraves]

3 hours ago, Blake said:

 

So you have boring/bland musical tastes...  Honey Badger Don't Care!!!  

 

 

My response is based on yours and not generally what I would come out and say, but in you case, I'll make an exception. The difference between my musical taste and yours is that I have some.

 

 

[gmgraves]

4 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

 

Was that mess supposed to explain to me why people would want to listen to such a horrible sound? If so, you failed. Our unfortunate National Anthem sounds bad enough without doing what Hendrix did to it!

[gmgraves]

43 minutes ago, fas42 said:

Some early specimens ...

 

 

 

 

 

Link Wray, I've never heard of, but I was actually a fan of some of Marty Robbins' music - Mostly his "gunfighter ballads" like El Paso, Running Gun, and Big Iron as well as the Ballad of the Alamo.  I also liked Roy Orbison (Pretty Woman, Blue Bayou, Bourne on the Wind etc.). I was also fond (as a kid) of Frankie Laine (High-Noon, Mule Train, Cry of the Wild Geese, Hanging Tree, etc.).  Like I've said, there are exceptions to everything, even musical taste.

[diecaster]

6 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

Was that mess supposed to explain to me why people would want to listen to such a horrible sound? If so, you failed. Our unfortunate National Anthem sounds bad enough without doing what Hendrix did to it!

 

Another artist considered a master of his craft that you do not like. Surprise, surprise.....

[gmgraves]

6 minutes ago, diecaster said:

 

Another artist considered a master of his craft that you do not like. Surprise, surprise.....

I'm sure that there are septic tank specialists who are considered "masters of their craft", but I don't have a septic system, so why should I care? Ca-peesh? If I've learned anything posting on this forum for the last 10 years it's that you "rockers" have really thin skins!

[gmgraves]

5 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

try some Bounce!

 

You'd have a lot of fun at a NoLa house party?

Izzat NoLa  North Los Angeles, or New Orleans Louisiana? 

[fas42]

There was a clip of Hendrix doing Jelly 292, from his Blues album, I was going to post - but the half-witted creature who put it on YouTube has totally destroyed the sound, by jamming it hard to volume 11. This is about as good as it gets, when listening to the pristine CD version - fabulous bounce and drive!

[Ralf11]

1 hour ago, gmgraves said:

 beating on logs accompanied by random yelling 

 

that pretty well describes the city I live in

[Ralf11]

1 hour ago, gmgraves said:

Izzat NoLa  North Los Angeles, or New Orleans Louisiana? 

 

New Orleans - did LA try to steal something else from New Orleans?

[wgscott]

2 hours ago, gmgraves said:

Was that mess supposed to explain to me why people would want to listen to such a horrible sound? If so, you failed. Our unfortunate National Anthem sounds bad enough without doing what Hendrix did to it!

 

Lighten up, Francis.

[wgscott]

Q:  Do you know what the last two words of the national anthem are?

 

A:  "Play Ball"

[gmgraves]

1 hour ago, Ralf11 said:

 

New Orleans - did LA try to steal something else from New Orleans?

I asked because I'm used to seeing New Orleans Louisiana spelled with all Caps NOLA.

 

 

[gmgraves]

41 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

Lighten up, Francis.

Who, might I ask, is Francis?  Bacon?  Scott Key? Anne Francis? Francis the Talking Mule? 

[gmgraves]

35 minutes ago, wgscott said:

Q:  Do you know what the last two words of the national anthem are?

 

A:  "Play Ball"

 I like it!

[mansr]

7 hours ago, gmgraves said:

I asked merely because I was somewhat taken aback by the incredibly nasty, high level of distortion from that guy's guitar.

Now he's pretending to have never heard an electric guitar. It's getting rather silly.

[sandyk]

2 hours ago, mansr said:

Now he's pretending to have never heard an electric guitar. It's getting rather silly.

 

Perhaps he heard one through a Class D amplifier instead of a " soft clip" vacuum tube amplifier  ?