Popular Post plissken Posted August 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2018 Check it out.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fdVwxOGAt0 esldude and sarvsa 1 1 Link to comment
jtconte Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Big fan of Eric Johnson! What a mess of cables but creating sound is very different from reproducing sound, no? Mac mini, iFi Audio iDAC2, Marantz SR6009, Furman Elite-15 PFI, NHT Sub Two i, Monitor Audio SoundFrame 2 On-Walls Cary, NC Link to comment
plissken Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 8:06 AM, jtconte said: Big fan of Eric Johnson! What a mess of cables but creating sound is very different from reproducing sound, no? It was the fact that there's like a $20, public school looking, power strip everything is plugged into but yet you have the tone. Link to comment
fas42 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 It's all about the efficiency, and characteristics of the speaker drivers in the cabinets - did you know that current Marshall amps use "junk" chip power amps to do the work - just slightly more powerful than those used in those DIY Gainclone kits that are everywhere? Link to comment
Popular Post Blackmorec Posted September 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2018 Bad installation technique e.g poor quality, coiled cables, bad power strips etc, on a single instrument is heard on replay as instrument character and tone. The same heard on a hi-fi on multiple replays is called colouration or lack of transparency. What may be tolerable for a single instrument may be utterly intolerable in a hi-if, so there are truly no parallels to be drawn from this post. Chopsrr, buonassi and 4est 2 1 Link to comment
gmgraves Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 7:22 PM, plissken said: Check it out.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fdVwxOGAt0 When that guy plays his guitar, why does it sound so DISTORTED? Is that the You-Tube audio or is it supposed to sound like that? I hope that's not how it's supposed to sound! If so, I can't understand how anyone could listen to it for even 5 seconds! Awful! George Link to comment
plissken Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 hours ago, gmgraves said: When that guy plays his guitar, why does it sound so DISTORTED? Is that the You-Tube audio or is it supposed to sound like that? I hope that's not how it's supposed to sound! If so, I can't understand how anyone could listen to it for even 5 seconds! Awful! It's just a crummy mic that they are using to record. You can listen to him on Tidal. He tone from grungy and distorted to blissfully buttery, silky smooth. Link to comment
Chopsrr Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I don't understand the point behind this thread, its title and the video. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The guitar rig has a bunch of tone altering electronics going into mic'ed amps that are cranked up to "11" on a stage. Naturally, you're going to be getting tons of hiss, buzz, hum, crackle, etc, etc with that type of setup. It's the exact opposite of what you want in a home hifi system. I've heard the differences between stock basic cables and quality aftermarket (audiophile) cables. And judging from the photos of the some of the members' systems on this forum, they have to. So posting a thread like this which I imagine you're trying to convince us that cables don't matter, I'm afraid you might be preaching to the wrong crowd. 4est 1 Digital Sources: Bluesound Node 2 w/ iFi SPDIF iPurifier | Roku Ultra NAS: Synology DS215J running MinimServer Preamp: PS Audio Stellar Gain Cell DAC Amplification: NuPrime STA 9 x2 Loudspeakers: Sonus faber Venere 1.5 Subwoofers: JL Audio e110 x2 Remote Control: Apple iPad Mini 2 w/ BluOS Power Conditioning: APC H15 | Blue Circle Cables: Wireworld | AudioQuest | Pangea Link to comment
barrows Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 8:22 PM, plissken said: Check it out.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fdVwxOGAt0 I am going out on a limb here and suggesting that the noise floor out of EJ's amps on stage is many times higher than that of my speakers at home. SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
plissken Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 hours ago, barrows said: I am going out on a limb here and suggesting that the noise floor out of EJ's amps on stage is many times higher than that of my speakers at home. Is setup is also capable of much more output. Link to comment
Popular Post barrows Posted September 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2018 53 minutes ago, plissken said: Is setup is also capable of much more output. The floor is the floor, its ultimate level matters, regardless of maximum level. In most half decent home audio systems, one can hear electric guitar amplifiers' noise floor (in the rests), even on very good recordings, I sure can in my system. Max level does not mean much, as the max level one can actually use before damaging ones hearing is around 120 dB. I sometimes try to help out my musician friends getting the noise floor of their set ups lower, and when they hear the difference they appreciate it. Usually just cleaning up a tangle of cables as shown on EJ's pedalboard will result in a lower noise floor. Higher quality instrument cables can really help as well. Of course touring musicians have a lot less time to set up and tear down than people with home audio systems, so there are compromises. Most of the effects pedals are typically powered by cheapo SMPS wall warts, but I have seen some electric guitarists using an alternative, multiple power supply box (custom built linear supply) in order to produce less noise as well, so musicians are not always unaware of the situation. For geeks, there are some interesting videos online showing the set up of many of the more well known electric guitarists, when you watch these you see some pro players clearly paying some attention to details to get the noise down, and others, not so much. 4est, Chopsrr and look&listen 1 1 1 SO/ROON/HQPe: DSD 512-Sonore opticalModuleDeluxe-Signature Rendu optical with Well Tempered Clock--DIY DSC-2 DAC with SC Pure Clock--DIY Purifi Amplifier-Focus Audio FS888 speakers-JL E 112 sub-Nordost Tyr USB, DIY EventHorizon AC cables, Iconoclast XLR & speaker cables, Synergistic Purple Fuses, Spacetime system clarifiers. ISOAcoustics Oreas footers. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | Accessories | Software | Link to comment
gmgraves Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 13 hours ago, plissken said: It's just a crummy mic that they are using to record. You can listen to him on Tidal. He tone from grungy and distorted to blissfully buttery, silky smooth. So are you saying that he is sometimes "grungy and distorted" on purpose? Are you also saying that some of that distortion heard on that YouTube video was caused by a lousy microphone? I've never heard a mike do that even when severely overloaded. His voice sounded fine, his guitar sounded terrible - must have been 50% distortion. Reminded me of a cheap car radio with the volume turned all the way up so that it was clipping 100% of the time! Yuck! George Link to comment
Chopsrr Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, gmgraves said: So are you saying that he is sometimes "grungy and distorted" on purpose? Are you also saying that some of that distortion heard on that YouTube video was caused by a lousy microphone? I've never heard a mike do that even when severely overloaded. His voice sounded fine, his guitar sounded terrible - must have been 50% distortion. Reminded me of a cheap car radio with the volume turned all the way up so that it was clipping 100% of the time! Yuck! I agree with the crappy mic bit. It's just the built-in mic on the camera, and yes, it was overloaded, adding much of its own distortion to the sound, but only when the guitarist was playing those loud riffs. And yes, a lot of those effects pedals are designed to do just that, add distortion. That's why he was referring to some of the settings as "lead", and some as "rhythm", or "DIRTY rhythm". DIrty meaning distortion. This can also be achieved by over-driving the tubes in the head amps. Or I suppose with some of the newer, solid state head amps, there's something in there to add that tube distortion sound. Probably a DSP or something. Digital Sources: Bluesound Node 2 w/ iFi SPDIF iPurifier | Roku Ultra NAS: Synology DS215J running MinimServer Preamp: PS Audio Stellar Gain Cell DAC Amplification: NuPrime STA 9 x2 Loudspeakers: Sonus faber Venere 1.5 Subwoofers: JL Audio e110 x2 Remote Control: Apple iPad Mini 2 w/ BluOS Power Conditioning: APC H15 | Blue Circle Cables: Wireworld | AudioQuest | Pangea Link to comment
gmgraves Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chopsrr said: I agree with the crappy mic bit. It's just the built-in mic on the camera, and yes, it was overloaded, adding much of its own distortion to the sound, but only when the guitarist was playing those loud riffs. And yes, a lot of those effects pedals are designed to do just that, add distortion. That's why he was referring to some of the settings as "lead", and some as "rhythm", or "DIRTY rhythm". DIrty meaning distortion. This can also be achieved by over-driving the tubes in the head amps. Or I suppose with some of the newer, solid state head amps, there's something in there to add that tube distortion sound. Probably a DSP or something. Thanks for the clarification. But if you don't mind answering, why would anybody want to listen to distortion? I don't get it. George Link to comment
Chopsrr Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, gmgraves said: Thanks for the clarification. But if you don't mind answering, why would anybody want to listen to distortion? I don't get it. You're welcome. As for the deliberate added distortion, it's just another tone that guitarists use. It's not the kind of distortion you might be thinking of like a speaker at its limits or an amplifier at clipping. It's not like that at all. Digital Sources: Bluesound Node 2 w/ iFi SPDIF iPurifier | Roku Ultra NAS: Synology DS215J running MinimServer Preamp: PS Audio Stellar Gain Cell DAC Amplification: NuPrime STA 9 x2 Loudspeakers: Sonus faber Venere 1.5 Subwoofers: JL Audio e110 x2 Remote Control: Apple iPad Mini 2 w/ BluOS Power Conditioning: APC H15 | Blue Circle Cables: Wireworld | AudioQuest | Pangea Link to comment
arglebargle Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 It’s funny because, power strips aside, Eric Johnson has a reputation for exactly the kind esoteric beliefs about audio this thread sets out to mock. Just google Eric Johnson directional cables. His particular nervosa may not cover power strips but it is indeed legendary in the world of guitar. Link to comment
plissken Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 3 hours ago, gmgraves said: So are you saying that he is sometimes "grungy and distorted" on purpose? Are you also saying that some of that distortion heard on that YouTube video was caused by a lousy microphone? I've never heard a mike do that even when severely overloaded. His voice sounded fine, his guitar sounded terrible - must have been 50% distortion. Reminded me of a cheap car radio with the volume turned all the way up so that it was clipping 100% of the time! Yuck! Well, since his voice is not going through the stack like his guitar... I'll let critical thinking skills do the rest. Link to comment
plissken Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 hours ago, arglebargle said: It’s funny because, power strips aside, Eric Johnson has a reputation for exactly the kind esoteric beliefs about audio this thread sets out to mock. Just google Eric Johnson directional cables. His particular nervosa may not cover power strips but it is indeed legendary in the world of guitar. Eric played around with directional cables at one point because he simply heard about them. But that was short lived. There's an interview with him that I read almost two decades ago about him giving up on that because it just wasn't really true. Link to comment
mansr Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 George is just saying, in his usual indirect elitist manner, that he doesn't like electric guitar music. Link to comment
fas42 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 hours ago, gmgraves said: Thanks for the clarification. But if you don't mind answering, why would anybody want to listen to distortion? I don't get it. I have a younger brother who is totally into the "Gotta play in a band!" mentality - I built his first, valve amp, from a kit, and build the speaker cabinet too when he was a youngster - his group was the only live gig in our small country town! If you have never stood a couple of feet in front of a classic Marshall amp setup, and "felt" what the experience is like when a guitarist who has the skills gives it a bit of a burnout - then you will never "get it". Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I dig Rock n Roll music Link to comment
SoundAndMotion Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 10 hours ago, mansr said: George is just saying, in his usual indirect elitist manner, that he doesn't like electric guitar music. Pretentious putz pans pretty perfect plucking... ? ? Link to comment
gmgraves Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 15 hours ago, fas42 said: I have a younger brother who is totally into the "Gotta play in a band!" mentality - I built his first, valve amp, from a kit, and build the speaker cabinet too when he was a youngster - his group was the only live gig in our small country town! If you have never stood a couple of feet in front of a classic Marshall amp setup, and "felt" what the experience is like when a guitarist who has the skills gives it a bit of a burnout - then you will never "get it". I don't think it's important that I "get it", Frank. After all, I have rarely heard any rock or reggae or soul, or country music that I would want to listen to (but there are a few exceptions), I've never heard any rap or hip-hop that I didn't find utterly disgusting. Just the form of the latter two I find lamentable. How much lower on the evolutionary scale can music go? What are heading toward? Just beating on wooden logs and screaming? I guess if it did descend to that there would be millions who would hail it as the best music ever. That's their prerogative. And there is no accounting for taste. I don't like Brussels Sprouts or lamb either. fas42 1 George Link to comment
jabbr Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, gmgraves said: And there is no accounting for taste. I don't like Brussels Sprouts or lamb either. So why ask? ? Electric guitar creates sounds that typically come out of a tube amplifier and which are themselves mic’d and amplified for the audience. The sounds are distorted to you, and indeed involve feedback/nonlinearities etc but the intention never was to replicate an acoustic guitar. The sounds are as the artist intends. What’s the big deal? Many people like lamb and Brussel sprouts ?♂️ Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted September 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2018 50 minutes ago, gmgraves said: beating on wooden logs ...is wonderful! Ralf11, jabbr and Blake 3 Link to comment
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